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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:01 am to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:01 am to
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I am not selling anything.


How does it feel to wake up every morning and reflect that you're a complete failure in your job? How much vodka does it take to drown that out?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:06 am to
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The logical fallacy that my son fails to grasp is that just because overall Russian defense production is out pacing NATOs it doesn’t mean in all areas such as artillery tubes.


Also, some of Russian "production" is stuff like this:



Producing more crap is still just more crap.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:06 am to
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The logical fallacy that my son fails to grasp is that just because overall Russian defense production is out pacing NATOs it doesn’t mean in all areas such as artillery tubes


You think Russia is outpacing NATO in tanks but not artillery? You are wrong. Russia has a 10:1 advantage in Artillery. I guess Former Pentagon Advisor Prof. Theodore Postol is also a Russian Propagandist.


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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:09 am to
I am going to post this again because you really need to hear it....Its so much worse than that. He intentionally tells a lie and when the NATO General Secretary debunks that lie he calls him a Russian Propagandist That level of insanity requires a 3 month stay at a psych facility with Multiple Modalities of psychological treatment
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:17 am to
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I am going to post this again because you really need to hear it.


You should post the Bloomberg slide again. Everyone wants to see it.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:17 am to
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/01/russias-artillery-advantage-in-the-ukraine-war-is-slipping-away/

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Russia’s artillery advantage has been given variously, such as five-to-one, seven-to-one, and occasionally ten-to-one, in terms of the number of shells fired each day. The figure varies mainly with the severity of Ukraine’s shell shortage at different times. Even with adequate ammunition, though, in 2023, Ukraine boasted around 1,600 artillery pieces when Russia was fielding in excess of 5,000, giving Russia a 3:1 advantage in their weapon of choice.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:20 am to
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/russias-ability-to-outmatch-ukraine-with-artillery-on-battlefield-significantly-reduced-13267663
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Russia's ability to outmatch Ukraine with artillery barrages on the battlefield has significantly reduced to just 1.5 Russian rounds for every Ukrainian shell fired back, Western officials have said. This compares with Russian forces launching at least five times as many artillery rounds as Ukraine could in the war previously - with the ratio at times much higher even than that.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:23 am to
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/07/17/how-is-ukraine-destroying-so-much--russian-artillery/
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The artillery war in Ukraine may be shifting, with indications that the Ukrainians are destroying Russian guns at a greatly increased rate. If these indications are accurate, it could mark a turning point in the war. It may also be a sign that traditional artillery is vulnerable to new weapons

Posted by cypher
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:49 am to
The US alone is producing 44K 155mm shells per month with a planned increase to 100K by end of 2025.

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This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 10:52 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:51 am to
JB's problem is that he posts here the same way he posts on the Poliboard, but most folks here (with a couple of exceptions like texag and trinidad) aren't the types who'd lose a game of tic-tac-toe to Joe Biden.

He keeps making posts that would only convince low-information characters.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:53 am to
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Russian defense production is out pacing NATOs it doesn’t mean in all areas such as artillery tubes


quote:

Russia is producing 10 times that many shells


Can you spot the difference?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:57 am to
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The US alone is producing 44K 155mm shells per month with a planned increase to 100K by end of 2025.



Already up to 55k per month.

Also, Rheinmetall is hitting its targets to produce at a rate of 700k per year, with a goal of 1.1 million by 2027. And we're buying from the rest of the world. Countries such as Serbia and India are making ammo for NATO countries who buy it and sell it to Ukraine.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:02 am to
Why do you never link anything from western news sources and instead only from Pro Russian media. In regards to your professor..

https://www.smolenskcrashnews.com/after-rewarding-putin-now-they-are-investigating-smolensk.html

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These are not all of the shocking findings of "GP." In addition to Hungarian experts, the second group of international experts looking into the Smolensk crash consists of experts from the Texas Agricultural and Mechanical University in the United States. Among them is Theodore Postol - a full-time Kremlin's media commentator specializing in criticism of US and NATO policies, and a staunch apologist and defendant of Russia's interests. Among them is also Goong Chen, professor of Applied and Computational Mathematics, who along with Postol visited Poland last year at the invitation of the investigators from Polish Prosecutor's Office. Gazeta Polska ascertained that Chen is a co-author of the Postel’s report on the chemical attack in Syria, which is consistent with the Kremlin's narrative. A synopsis of this document was sent by Postol to the Russia’s Sputnik News Agency in October 2017 with a request to be provided to Russian diplomats at the UN.


This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 11:03 am
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:08 am to
Thanks John,

You seem to be the only voice of reason here.

I simply cant believe some of the posts:

"Russian needs a deal worse than Ukraine"

"The longer it goes the worse for Russia"

Some of these posts are just delusional. The entire world is talking about Ukraine being done. And this board continues with the "hitler bunker syndrome". Mythical divisions of soldiers, sending drones 100s of miles away while getting slaughtered on the front lines (V2 rocket strategy).

Just nonsense.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:14 am to
If you wonder how my son, JB, can respond so quickly with information on a topic, you need to understand how advanced the Russian troll farms are.

Troll farm employees often have access to “playbooks” or detailed instructions with preferred narratives and talking points on politically sensitive issues. This allows them to craft responses quickly without extensive research on each topic.

In many cases, these responses might follow a predictable pattern—such as deflecting criticism by highlighting unrelated Western issues (“whataboutism”), or questioning the credibility of the original source.

Often multiple troll accounts support each other’s posts—reinforcing the same talking points, upvoting, or echoing each other. This “brigading” effect can quickly overwhelm an opposing viewpoint. One account might lead the charge with a central argument, while others chime in to agree, post “evidence,” or distract from counterarguments.

We've seen these exact behaviors in this thread by the Ivans.

ETA: trinidadtiger's post is a perfect example.


This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 11:16 am
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:14 am to
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Why do you never link anything from western news sources and instead only from Pro Russian


The NATO Secretary General is not Pro Russian. I see this topic has hit a weak spot with the NAFO trolls. Imagine trying to call the NATO General Secretary Pro Russian It's hard to use propaganda pieces from magazines when the NATO General Secretary gives you the facts


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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:14 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:16 am to
GOP will be here shortly to tell us these are fake videos

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Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:21 am to
Son, I am not saying the NATO SG is wrong, or is a Russian. I'm pointing out that all of your X sources are pro-Russian.

Son, If you had a brain and weren't a mindless Russian troll farmer, you would understand the difference.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:24 am to
I asked ChatGPT how to tell if an account is a bot:


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