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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:25 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:25 pm to GOP_Tiger
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In short, Oreshnik has propaganda value, but the reason that Russia hasn't used it again in Ukraine is that it provides very little military value.
I was wondering why this weapon that has been trumpeted as a difference maker by some hasn’t been repeatedly used. Apparently there is insufficient bang for the buck.
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:29 pm to doubleb
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Honestly, who posted this?
Consider the source, it's just OML plowing down windwills he constructed. He shows such strong emotions, so he must be right
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:31 pm to doubleb
In OM's defense, back in late 2022 and early 2023 when Ukraine was rolling Russia back in Kherson and the Kharkiv area there was talk about this. Combined with the buildup of Ukraines military using western weapons there were thoughts that Ukraine could evict Russia and retake Crimea.
I certainly thought it was a possibility at the time. However, a few things occurred:
1) Ukraine waited too long, and Russia was able to prepare extensive defensive lines in the Zaporizhzhia area.
2) Russia started to rebound from the disarray that characterized the 1st year of the war
3) The US and Europe forced Ukraine to launch their offensive before they were ready.
This led to the offensive's failure, and Ukraine has been fighting a defensive war (for the most part) since then.
After the failed offensive, it became clear that Ukraine couldn't force Russia out. Ukraine should have tried to settle then, that would have been the best timing for them as it's been slowly downhill since.
I certainly thought it was a possibility at the time. However, a few things occurred:
1) Ukraine waited too long, and Russia was able to prepare extensive defensive lines in the Zaporizhzhia area.
2) Russia started to rebound from the disarray that characterized the 1st year of the war
3) The US and Europe forced Ukraine to launch their offensive before they were ready.
This led to the offensive's failure, and Ukraine has been fighting a defensive war (for the most part) since then.
After the failed offensive, it became clear that Ukraine couldn't force Russia out. Ukraine should have tried to settle then, that would have been the best timing for them as it's been slowly downhill since.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:34 pm to Chromdome35
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The Oreshnik is just a more expensive version of what they have already been using, except they didn't even put conventional warheads on it; they just fired it with inert warheads...brilliant strategy.
I mean they could screw a nuke on it and Uke Nuke Kyiv. Would you rather them do that?
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:36 pm to texag7
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I mean they could screw a nuke on it and Uke Nuke Kyiv. Would you rather them do that?
Of course not, but you are missing the point (again). Short of doing that, what was the point of using that missile with inert warheads?
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:37 pm to Chromdome35
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In OM's defense, back in late 2022 and early 2023 when Ukraine was rolling Russia back in Kherson and the Kharkiv area there was talk about this. Combined with the buildup of Ukraines military using western weapons there were thoughts that Ukraine could evict Russia and retake Crimea.
I remember two years ago when Ukrsine successfully made gains in Kherson and Kharkiv that Ukraine could retake more of what they had lost in 2022. And yes Ukrsine failed miserably to do that.
If people seriously thought Russia could be forced out of Crimea then they were obviously wrong just like the people who say the war is over now are wrong.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:40 pm to texag7
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I mean they could screw a nuke on it and Uke Nuke Kyiv. Would you rather them do that?
They don’t need their super missile to do that, right?
My point is the super missile is of no consequence unless it can be used successfully to gain advantages. Apparently it can not.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:42 pm to doubleb
I believe Chrome just yesterday was saying the Russian Army was incapable of having breakthroughs 
You guys are comical. This is from a Ukrainian source by the way.
You guys are comical. This is from a Ukrainian source by the way. Loading Twitter/X Embed...
If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:44 pm to John Barron
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:44 pm to doubleb
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If people seriously thought Russia could be forced out of Crimea then they were obviously wrong just like the people who say the war is over now are wrong.
The thought process was if Ukraine was able to cut the landbridge to Crimea and take down the Bridge, then Crimea would have been cut off. Given the utter ineffectiveness of the Black Sea Fleet, Russia would have been forced to abandon Crimea.
We'll never know if this would have worked since Ukraine offensive to sever the land bridge failed.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:47 pm to John Barron
Damn son, you really do have a limited memory.
I said that Russia lacked the ability to exploit a breakthrough in the Ukrainian lines. By exploit I mean using mechanized troops to make a deep penetration into Ukraine.
There is absolutely no doubt that they will take whatever towns they are currently assaulting, that is only a matter of time. It's been 5 months now, they should have them any day.
Here's the posts if you need to refresh your vodka brain
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=117251048&s=2&p=101373605#117251048
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=117251258&s=2&p=101373605#117251258
I said that Russia lacked the ability to exploit a breakthrough in the Ukrainian lines. By exploit I mean using mechanized troops to make a deep penetration into Ukraine.
There is absolutely no doubt that they will take whatever towns they are currently assaulting, that is only a matter of time. It's been 5 months now, they should have them any day.
Here's the posts if you need to refresh your vodka brain
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=117251048&s=2&p=101373605#117251048
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And what armored/mechanized divisions does Russia have available to exploit a breakthrough?
The reality is they don't have any; Ukraine will fall back to the next line of defense, and Russia will take another 3 months to move forward again. Rinse and repeat.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=117251258&s=2&p=101373605#117251258
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The number of troops in the country has no impact on their ability to exploit a breakthrough. You have to have mobility to do that.
Germany didn't execute blitzkrieg by walking infantry; they used armor, mechanized infantry, and air superiority to achieve rapid advances. Russia has demonstrated repeatedly in this war that they can't execute mechanized warfare...they aren't going to magically start now.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:50 pm to John Barron
"Dnepropetrovsk Direction
The assault on Uspenovka continues. The majority of the settlement is under the control of Russian units, and the Kiev forces are beginning to lose momentum in this area.
Russian assault teams have managed to break through south of Uspenovka, reaching the southeastern and eastern outskirts of Novoalexandrovka and securing positions there.
Further south, progress is being made in the forested areas between Novoalexandrovka and Nadezhdinka. Russian units are now attacking a Kiev Forces stronghold northwest of Nadezhdinka.
In Nadezhdinka itself, Russian forces have advanced in both the northern and southern parts of the settlement. The majority of it is under the control of Russian forces, though the Kiev forces are trying to halt their advance.
Four kilometers west of Nadezhdinka, only Kotlyarovka remains between the current positions and Dnepropetrovsk region.
South of Yelizavetovka, Russian units are also achieving success. Nov?andreyevka has been taken under control, with clearing and consolidation efforts underway.
Reconnaissance and assault groups have advanced along the Saranaya Ravine further west and are now attacking the southern outskirts of Srybnoye (Serebryanoye) and Bogdanovka.
In the Yasenovoye-Slavyanka area, Russian forces are attacking in the direction of the Stavkovaya Ravine.
The assault on Uspenovka continues. The majority of the settlement is under the control of Russian units, and the Kiev forces are beginning to lose momentum in this area.
Russian assault teams have managed to break through south of Uspenovka, reaching the southeastern and eastern outskirts of Novoalexandrovka and securing positions there.
Further south, progress is being made in the forested areas between Novoalexandrovka and Nadezhdinka. Russian units are now attacking a Kiev Forces stronghold northwest of Nadezhdinka.
In Nadezhdinka itself, Russian forces have advanced in both the northern and southern parts of the settlement. The majority of it is under the control of Russian forces, though the Kiev forces are trying to halt their advance.
Four kilometers west of Nadezhdinka, only Kotlyarovka remains between the current positions and Dnepropetrovsk region.
South of Yelizavetovka, Russian units are also achieving success. Nov?andreyevka has been taken under control, with clearing and consolidation efforts underway.
Reconnaissance and assault groups have advanced along the Saranaya Ravine further west and are now attacking the southern outskirts of Srybnoye (Serebryanoye) and Bogdanovka.
In the Yasenovoye-Slavyanka area, Russian forces are attacking in the direction of the Stavkovaya Ravine.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 1/25/25 at 1:09 pm to John Barron
Posted on 1/25/25 at 1:10 pm to John Barron
Thanks for backing me up and providing more and more proof that the war is not over.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 1:38 pm to John Barron
How long now has Russia been trying to reclaim the parts of the motherland that Ukraine controls?
Given the massive superiority of Russia you keep telling us about, I thought it would only take a couple of days.
Given the massive superiority of Russia you keep telling us about, I thought it would only take a couple of days.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 1/25/25 at 2:08 pm to John Barron
Well I guess the next move is on President Trump. Looks like real sanctions it is.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 2:09 pm to Chromdome35
Zelenskyy's answer to various European gas delivery concerns...
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 1/25/25 at 2:15 pm to cypher
Posted on 1/25/25 at 2:15 pm to John Barron
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GOP will be here shortly to tell us these are fake videos
Dude, I don't watch your videos. Nobody does except texag.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 2:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
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