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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:05 am to John Barron
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:05 am to John Barron
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Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:05 am to REG861
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I’m still waiting for the BRICS bros, John Barron, texags, SirWinston to comment on this. They won’t touch it with a ten foot pole. YOU SUPPORT IRAN
I don’t support the Russia-Iran partnership whatsoever and think it is disgusting.
My entire stance in this thread is that I think giving Ukraine billions of dollars when we have many problems home is wrong. Why not give them the 300 seized from Russia and keep our money?
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:09 am to REG861
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Russia, Iran to sign strategic partnership agreement on Jan. 17
One of my reasons for being opposed to a heavy handed approach against Russia (and against not finding a peace solution in 2022) in this conflict is the fear that they got driven into the arms of China. That hasn't happened yet (and my fears were that would happen more post-war anyway), but Russia has strengthened ties with North Korea + Iran as a result of the ongoing conflict already. I like my villains/bad actors/rogue states isolated, not working together.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:15 am to VolSquatch
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One of my reasons for being opposed to a heavy handed approach against Russia (and against not finding a peace solution in 2022) in this conflict is the fear that they got driven into the arms of China. That hasn't happened yet (and my fears were that would happen more post-war anyway), but Russia has strengthened ties with North Korea + Iran as a result of the ongoing conflict already. I like my villains/bad actors/rogue states isolated, not working together.
Fair take but I think Putin was always more inclined to align with the asiatic nations (sorry Winston). He’s always been western skeptic. Russia and China will never be firm allies though. It Will always be an uneasy partnership where China is more than happy to see Russia wear itself down on a needless conflict. They are, after all, competitors.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:37 am to REG861
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Fair take but I think Putin was always more inclined to align with the asiatic nations (sorry Winston). He’s always been western skeptic.
Its kind of a chicken-egg situation here, but the west hasn't really given him many reasons not to be a skeptic. Its an endless circle, Putin does stuff we don't like (usually its a legit gripe, sometimes not as much), we respond, Putin says they get treated unfairly by the west, he does more shite, we respond, on and on it goes.
I don't think we would be particularly friendly with Russia even if they were a good global actor because of our histories together (and age of the people running the country), so in a way I get the skepticism.
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It Will always be an uneasy partnership where China is more than happy to see Russia wear itself down on a needless conflict. They are, after all, competitors.
Yes, China is out for China. My thinking though is that the relationship won't be a partnership necessarily, but a crippled Russia with no where else to turn to goes to an opportunistic China for support. China would absolutely leverage Russia's weakness against them. Now granted, partnerships built that way are always shaky. China would be incentivized to help Russia just enough so that they are an asset, but not so much that they don't need China's "help" anymore.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 10:05 am to VolSquatch
Posted on 1/17/25 at 11:45 am to SirWinston
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If Zelensky got taken out by one of his own, I wouldn’t really be surprised.
This would save so many lives.
You were rooting for that Chechen Hit Squad, weren't you?
You're insane... Putin launched this, the blood is solely on his hands. But you also fantasized about your German ancestors winning WWII once, from what I remember, so...
Posted on 1/17/25 at 11:46 am to texag7
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My entire stance in this thread is that I think giving Ukraine billions of dollars when we have many problems home is wrong.
Let's give them the money that exists to buy Greenland, maybe!
Posted on 1/17/25 at 12:07 pm to texag7
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My entire stance in this thread is that I think giving Ukraine billions of dollars when we have many problems home is wrong. Why not give them the 300 seized from Russia and keep our money?
Most of the "money" we're giving them is mothballed equipment. That mothballed equipment is a result of someone increasing the military budget 10%, almost 8 years ago.
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I don’t support the Russia-Iran partnership whatsoever and think it is disgusting.
But not disgusting enough to not root for them. The there's also the north koreans y'all manage to turn a blind eyed to, and to a lesser extent also chi-na.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 12:20 pm to MoarKilometers
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But not disgusting enough to not root for them. The there's also the north koreans y'all manage to turn a blind eyed to, and to a lesser extent also chi-na.
Propaganda victims or actually compensated spreaders of the propaganda. It’s fascinating to see it. So called “republicans” supporting Russia (KGB/FSB), China, North Korea, and Iran. It’s so ridiculous to type it’s comedy.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 12:30 pm to MoarKilometers
Russia and Iran have long had a like or hate relationship. Russia has longed to take over Iran for access to the sea without ice. The Islamic Revolution was Russian started but coopted by the mullahs. Ahmadinejad was one of the leftwing radicals who was absorbed into the mullah faction. As neighbors on the Caspian Sea, there was always a trade relationship.
A biz friend who is Persian, was born in Moscow due his dad was the military attache for Iran. His first three languages were Russian, Italian, and Persian due mom was Italian, then later he learned English. Most of his business contacts in Iran have escaped to the west over the last several years. Anytime he had Iranians visiting him in Los Angeles they wanted dope and booze.
A biz friend who is Persian, was born in Moscow due his dad was the military attache for Iran. His first three languages were Russian, Italian, and Persian due mom was Italian, then later he learned English. Most of his business contacts in Iran have escaped to the west over the last several years. Anytime he had Iranians visiting him in Los Angeles they wanted dope and booze.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 12:59 pm to Lee B
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You're insane... Putin launched this, the blood is solely on his hands.
This goes back a little further than 2022
This post was edited on 1/17/25 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 1/17/25 at 1:04 pm to Lee B
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But you also fantasized about your German ancestors winning WWII once,
Once? Try every time I watch a WWII movie and take ketamine. Halfway through "Number 24" and it's very good save for the usual anti-German bias. You learn to work around it eventually.
This post was edited on 1/17/25 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 1/17/25 at 1:12 pm to trinidadtiger
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cargo pants keeps sending atacoms, and Putin then bombs the snot out of the energy infrastructure and millions of ukranians freeze their arse off.
Rinse and repeat. What leader of a country would continue to do this when he knows Russia will make the citizens pay the price, only an idiot.
cargo pants has to be a billionaire by this point, so its just ego driven now, sacrificing his own people so he can continue in the spotlight of the EU. They will drop him like a rock when Trump pulls out.
Yup. Zyyyyyy will be living like a prince in Tel Aviv within 12 months
This post was edited on 1/17/25 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 1/17/25 at 1:20 pm to SirWinston
The Definitive Guide to Where the US Has Squeezed Russia’s Oil Flows the Hardest
The latest US sanctions on oil tankers hauling Russian petroleum look set to cause severe disruption across the nation’s export machine, with some of Moscow’s flows at risk of a near wipeout if history is any guide.
An analysis of the ships targeted by Washington suggests that nearly 1.5 million barrels a day of crude shipped from Pacific and Arctic ports could be heavily curtailed. More than one-third of those cargoes require specialized, purpose built tankers that will be hard to replace. Flows of the nation’s key Urals grade from ports in the Baltic and Black Sea look set to face less-severe — but still significant — constraints.
Bloomberg - no paywall
The latest US sanctions on oil tankers hauling Russian petroleum look set to cause severe disruption across the nation’s export machine, with some of Moscow’s flows at risk of a near wipeout if history is any guide.
An analysis of the ships targeted by Washington suggests that nearly 1.5 million barrels a day of crude shipped from Pacific and Arctic ports could be heavily curtailed. More than one-third of those cargoes require specialized, purpose built tankers that will be hard to replace. Flows of the nation’s key Urals grade from ports in the Baltic and Black Sea look set to face less-severe — but still significant — constraints.
Bloomberg - no paywall
Posted on 1/17/25 at 1:59 pm to cypher
Posted on 1/17/25 at 2:01 pm to MoarKilometers
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Most of the "money" we're giving them is mothballed equipment. That mothballed equipment is a result of someone increasing the military budget 10%, almost 8 years ago.
But we have sent a considerable amount of financial aid to Ukraine as well, and billions of dollars in more consumable military assets that we have to replace (shells, rockets) vs "hard" military assets like vehicles that may or not be retired.
The true dollar figure isn't just what we have given them, but also how much it took to replace it. During one round of approved supplemental funding to replace our stockpiles, we spent almost $12B out of $18B on shells and missiles as of Dec 2023 per the Governmental Accountability Office. The shells we sent maybe would have been old enough where we had to inspect and destroy some of them, but there isn't any real data out there on that I've found.
Looking at just dollars though, in March of 2023 the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget had the cash number at over $40B.
The amount of 'mothballed" equipment is a topic of a lot of debate and I don't know that its a monkey worth bringing out of the closet again, but some of the claims here about exactly how much of it was old stuff were WAY off target.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 2:14 pm to texag7
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Why not give them the 300 seized from Russia and keep our money?
Only $30 billion is in US control. Most of the rest was seized by the EU. The EU tried to use the money to fund Ukraine but Putin’s bottom bitch and PT board hero Victor Orban and Hungary blocked it.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 2:16 pm to MoarKilometers
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Most of the "money" we're giving them is mothballed equipment.
This is a lie. Over $50 Billion dollars in cash has been given to help support their government.
Also, most of the equipment sent has been destroyed. Should we just cut down our own military and send them half our shite too? I’m sure they could use brand new tanks and planes. You would be all for that correct?
Posted on 1/17/25 at 2:28 pm to cypher
Muh existential climate change
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