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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:59 pm to cypher
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:59 pm to cypher
All the stuff on what Trump will do largely misunderstands his objective: Trump's main goal is to wean Europe off of dependence on us for its defense.
The most important thing that Trump can do to accomplish that is to pressure European allies to increase defense spending, which he is doing. Europe was already increasing military spending as a result of the war, but Trump is signaling a tremendous new push.
Our European allies (especially those close to Russia) are very concerned about Ukraine and the outcome of the war. The deal that Trump is going to make with Europe is that he will keep supporting Ukraine if they also increase their defense spending.
An end to the war is unlikely anytime soon, no matter what anyone says. But a diminished Russia and a stronger (non-US) NATO will largely free up the US to focus on threats from China and Iran. And that's a good thing.
The most important thing that Trump can do to accomplish that is to pressure European allies to increase defense spending, which he is doing. Europe was already increasing military spending as a result of the war, but Trump is signaling a tremendous new push.
Our European allies (especially those close to Russia) are very concerned about Ukraine and the outcome of the war. The deal that Trump is going to make with Europe is that he will keep supporting Ukraine if they also increase their defense spending.
An end to the war is unlikely anytime soon, no matter what anyone says. But a diminished Russia and a stronger (non-US) NATO will largely free up the US to focus on threats from China and Iran. And that's a good thing.
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Posted on 1/14/25 at 2:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 1/14/25 at 2:33 pm to John Barron
Posted on 1/14/25 at 2:37 pm to WeeWee
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Don't you have a job to go to or something?
Dude is in the trenches, online, worshipping the bishop.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 2:37 pm to John Barron
Day 3,981 of the Ukrainian collapse.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 2:58 pm to GOP_Tiger
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But a diminished Russia and a stronger (non-US) NATO will largely free up the US to focus on threats from China and Iran.
What resources specifically that are currently have tied up could be reallocated toward China and Iran with a weaker Russia? Will those resources really make any difference? I believe in this case that Europe becomes less trusting of the US and uses their defense to turtle rather than building up a military coalition apparatus that has any impact globally on those 3 bad actors.
If you're talking Iran, and if I had your point of view on Ukraine aid, I would have said that weakening Russia also weakens Iran since they collaborate on the military supply side. That to me is a stronger justification for the hypothetical you laid out because you're weakening two birds with one stone.
But the real kicker here is China. I don't see any evidence that any non-US NATO countries are going to have any real impact on China, if they tick their defense spending up or not. A potential Taiwan conflict is MUCH easier to compartmentalize for Europe because it isn't happening on their doorstep. I also find it more and more likely that China isn't in any huge hurry with Taiwan and is willing to try to take it over a long period without an 'invasion'... plant seeds of unrest, come in as 'peacekeepers', then never leave, or something similar.
This post was edited on 1/14/25 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 1/14/25 at 3:07 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 1/14/25 at 3:10 pm to WeeWee
Lol WeeWee says someone is trying to "misdirect the argument with an unrelated issue", and in the same comment thread posted:
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Why is the son of the dumbest whore in Arkansas (aka John Barron) doubting Trump's claim that he will get a peace deal? Your MAGA card is hereby revoked.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 3:57 pm to John Barron
Keep em coming, mate. We learn more from 4 of your posts than from 4 pages of ISW pap
Posted on 1/14/25 at 4:27 pm to John Barron
quote:Yep.
How it started vs how it's going!
Sad truth, though not about either Russia or Ukraine.
Rather it's sad truth about the incompetent Western political nitwit liars conducting this proxy war.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 4:29 pm to SirWinston
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Keep em coming, mate.
He's flooded the thread with his embeds to bury the russian Bloomberg disinformation. Transparent. Probably thinks he achieved something.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 4:35 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The most important thing that Trump can do to accomplish that is to pressure European allies to increase defense spending, which he is doing. Europe was already increasing military spending as a result of the war, but Trump is signaling a tremendous new push.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. The European economy wasn't in great shape to begin with, between the green economic policies, and mass immigration leaving the continent with tens of millions of hostile welfare dependents, but they couldn't afford to lose access to cheap natural resources from Russia. The deindustrialization that's occurring now will take decades to undo, if it happens. And military strength is function of your industrial output, and not your ability manipulate a stock market.
In theory the NATO states will rebuild their armies in the aftermath of the war, replacing everything they've given away, but I think it will depend on the country. The UK is in terrible shape economically, and they just can't afford to do it. The Germans are also a basket case. The only country that appears sure to follow through is Poland.
This post was edited on 1/14/25 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 1/14/25 at 4:36 pm to WeeWee
quote:Damn! The girls were Belarusian not Ukrainian .... guess you really told him.
Ukrainian Tinder Girls
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You still don't even know what you are talking about. The girls were Belarusian not Ukrainian.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 4:39 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:If true, talk about a reshaping landscape. My goodness!
In theory the NATO states will rebuild their armies in the aftermath of the war, replacing everything they've given away, but I think it will depend on the country. The UK is in terrible shape economically, and just they can't afford to do it. The Germans are also a basket case. The only country that appears sure to follow through is Poland.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 4:46 pm to NC_Tigah
I love when people who try to act above the partisanship slurp up an obvious Russian propaganda mouthpiece
Posted on 1/14/25 at 4:59 pm to Hateradedrink
quote:Spidy, if you understood what you were responding to, this might make for a reasonable conversation.
I love when people who try to act above the partisanship slurp up an obvious Russian propaganda mouthpiece
Posted on 1/14/25 at 5:07 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The deindustrialization that's occurring now will take decades to undo, if it happens. And military strength is function of your industrial output, and not your ability manipulate a stock market.
Nailed It. We killed off German Industry and made China Stronger.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 5:16 pm to SirWinston
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Keep em coming, mate
Don't worry. I am built for this
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 1/14/25 at 5:36 pm to John Barron
Posted on 1/14/25 at 6:06 pm to John Barron
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The deindustrialization that's occurring now will take decades to undo, if it happens. And military strength is function of your industrial output, and not your ability manipulate a stock market.
Nailed It. We killed off German Industry and made China Stronger.
Zero understanding of markets. When I look on satellite view at Russian refining/petrochemical complexes, at a minimum 50% has been demolished long before 2022. The largest deindustrialization in the world sure seems like Russia over the last 2-1/2 decades. Then again, its previous function was to make substandard goods.
Germany killed its industry itself. It was kept afloat for more than 20 years with loans to other nations with the requirement of buying German goods and services. It also got the EU to enact climate regs on a piece by piece basis for manufacturing equipment which only German firms had patents on. Usually some tits on a boar hog attachment considered "Green" as it did with toothbrush manufacturing equipment. So, they are German made using German equipment for the EU.
The Russian funded campaign against hydraulic fracturing which was successful in keeping a large tight shale formation off the table sure helped Russia, and hurt Germany and France. Hydraulic fracturing has been common practice in Germany for decades when in other formations and still is, but that is depleting fast.
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