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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/30/24 at 8:23 am to No Colors
Posted on 12/30/24 at 8:23 am to No Colors
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Russian Su-57. First Flight in 2010
Number built: About 35 (but several of them were just prototypes, and several have crashed. Actual working aircraft, probably 12-15 airframes).
You forgot to mention that every time an Su-57 flies into a combat zone it requires an escort of 4th generation fighters to distract Ukraine's radars because Russia can't risk losing one.
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 9:05 am to cypher
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7 Zircon hypersonic missiles.
Anyone see a picture of the damage one of these can do?
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:01 am to WeeWee
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Russian Su-57
Light work for the Ghost of Kyiv
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:26 am to doubleb
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Psychological warfare is extremely important. We see that in all wars. If it keeps their troops fired up and the home front wildly engaged then it works.
Thats all well and good if we weren't seeing reports that Ukraine is struggling with morale at the front currently
The results of those attacks were probably seen by more Americans and congressmen than they were Ukrainians at the front. And maybe that was the intended audience... "we might run out of people eventually, but make sure we don't run out of guns first"..... But the Ukrainians would have for sure seen our missiles lighting some Ruskis the frick up if their leadership had used those weapons that way.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:40 am to VolSquatch
Ukraine could be running low on US ATACMS missiles – NYT
Anastasia Protz — Friday, 27 December 2024, 20:05
The New York Times, citing American officials, has reported that Ukraine is reducing its use of long-range ATACMS missiles, primarily due to dwindling stockpiles. Kyiv reportedly has fewer than 50 of the missiles provided by the US. This challenge is compounded by political shifts in Washington that could affect future military support for Ukraine.
Source: The New York Times
Details: The report notes that when the US decided to provide ATACMS missiles in spring, about 500 units were transferred from Pentagon stockpiles. Initially, Ukraine was restricted from using these missiles to strike Russian territory, instead targeting temporarily occupied territories, including Crimea. However, in mid-November, US President Joe Biden justified granting permission for Kyiv to use these missiles for strikes deep within Russian territory. By then, Ukraine reportedly had only "tens of the missiles" left, approximately 50.
Analysts suggest Ukraine has slowed its use of the missiles due to their limited stock and the priority targeting of high-value objectives. Mykola Bielieskov, a military analyst at Ukraine’s government-run National Institute for Strategic Studies, explained: "We decided to wait and find high-value capability, and that’s natural. Don’t expect quick returns, because we need to preserve this capability and spend it judiciously and very wisely".
Ukrainska Pravda
So Jake Sullivan waited until he knew that Ukraine had only 50 left before he gave permission to strike russian targets and only in the Kursk and Bryansk territories.
Anastasia Protz — Friday, 27 December 2024, 20:05
The New York Times, citing American officials, has reported that Ukraine is reducing its use of long-range ATACMS missiles, primarily due to dwindling stockpiles. Kyiv reportedly has fewer than 50 of the missiles provided by the US. This challenge is compounded by political shifts in Washington that could affect future military support for Ukraine.
Source: The New York Times
Details: The report notes that when the US decided to provide ATACMS missiles in spring, about 500 units were transferred from Pentagon stockpiles. Initially, Ukraine was restricted from using these missiles to strike Russian territory, instead targeting temporarily occupied territories, including Crimea. However, in mid-November, US President Joe Biden justified granting permission for Kyiv to use these missiles for strikes deep within Russian territory. By then, Ukraine reportedly had only "tens of the missiles" left, approximately 50.
Analysts suggest Ukraine has slowed its use of the missiles due to their limited stock and the priority targeting of high-value objectives. Mykola Bielieskov, a military analyst at Ukraine’s government-run National Institute for Strategic Studies, explained: "We decided to wait and find high-value capability, and that’s natural. Don’t expect quick returns, because we need to preserve this capability and spend it judiciously and very wisely".
Ukrainska Pravda
So Jake Sullivan waited until he knew that Ukraine had only 50 left before he gave permission to strike russian targets and only in the Kursk and Bryansk territories.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:32 pm to VolSquatch
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Thats all well and good if we weren't seeing reports that Ukraine is struggling with morale at the front currently
It’s all part of psychological warfare. The Russians say Ukraine is collapsing, the Ukes say Russia is going broke. Who knows the real facts?
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:56 pm to doubleb
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Who knows the real facts?
You seem to be pretty convinced anything someone shares that isn't good for Ukraine is bogus, so it seems like you at least think you do
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:43 pm to VolSquatch
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You seem to be pretty convinced anything someone shares that isn't good for Ukraine is bogus, so it seems like you at least think you do
It’s because when I take time to research the source I find it to be a Russian mouthpiece.
I also use common sense. How many times over the last few years or do have we read that Ukraine is gonna freeze to death, or that Russia is poised for a breakthrough, and the war is over? Way too many times so when the same “sources” start back up I know what to expect . BS.
I also notice how you try and act like a middle of the road guy, but you only challenge pro Ukraine posters and seldom if ever pro Russian posters who come with some outrageous stuff with no backup. Why do you do that?
Posted on 12/30/24 at 1:47 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 12/30/24 at 2:16 pm to cypher
Probably a flock of birds.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 2:33 pm to doubleb
Posted on 12/30/24 at 2:37 pm to DMAN1968
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7 Zircon hypersonic missiles.
Anyone see a picture of the damage one of these can do?
It still uses a ballistic arc to gain hypersonic speed thus not a true hypersonic missile
Posted on 12/30/24 at 3:04 pm to doubleb
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I also notice how you try and act like a middle of the road guy, but you only challenge pro Ukraine posters and seldom if ever pro Russian posters who come with some outrageous stuff with no backup. Why do you do that?
Because I think deceptive bullshite is more problematic than obvious bullshite. You bring up this point time and time again, if I cared to prove you or anyone else wrong who thinks I'm pro-Putin or whatever else I'd change my behavior. I don't.
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I also use common sense. How many times over the last few years or do have we read that Ukraine is gonna freeze to death, or that Russia is poised for a breakthrough, and the war is over? Way too many times so when the same “sources” start back up I know what to expect . BS.
Is it common sense that attacks on Russian oil refineries are better for morale at the front than actually striking targets at the front?
Posted on 12/30/24 at 3:27 pm to No Colors
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Ok I'm actually glad you brought that up. Let's back up one generation to 5th Gen fighter aircraft. This one should be easy Russian Su-57. First Flight in 2010 Number built: About 35 (but several of them were just prototypes, and several have crashed. Actual working aircraft, probably 12-15 airframes). USA F-35 Lightning. First Flight in 2007. Number built: About 1200 Combat Record: Recently flew to downtown Tehran with impunity. Rather than being challenged by Russian 300 and 400 series AA batteries, it actually detected and destroyed evey single functioning Iranian battery system without them firing a shot.
How do you say “owned” in Russian?
Posted on 12/30/24 at 3:33 pm to VolSquatch
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Is it common sense that attacks on Russian oil refineries are better for morale at the front than actually striking targets at the front?
It might be. I don’t really know.
I read that the Doolittle Raid really boosted morale in WW2. Nothing was really accomplished, planes and pilots were lost, and bombing Jap lines was an option then.
You tell me. Is there a possibility such tactics actually helped win a war?
Posted on 12/30/24 at 3:36 pm to doubleb
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It might be. I don’t really know.
If you're saying this, then I'd say it definitely doesn't fall under "common sense".
So you don't really pick and choose what to disagree with based on common sense then. At least not in this case.
You saw it as a negative for Ukraine and had to rush to white knight for them.
Not a big deal and you're free to do so. Just think it would be good if you learn that about yourself.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 3:45 pm to VolSquatch
new DoD package announced...
The capabilities in this announcement include:
• Munitions for National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS);
• HAWK air defense munitions;
• Stinger missiles;
• Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems (c-UAS) munitions;
• Ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
• 155mm and 105mm artillery ammunition;
• Air-to-ground munitions; Any guesses as to what this might be?
• High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARMs);
• Unmanned Aerials Systems (UAS);
• Javelin and AT-4 anti-armor systems;
• Tube-launched, Optically guided, Wire-tracked (TOW) missiles;
• Small arms and ammunition and grenades;
• Demolitions equipment and munitions;
• Secure communications equipment;
• Commercial satellite imagery services;
• Medical equipment;
• Clothing and individual equipment; and
• Spare parts, maintenance and sustainment support, ancillary equipment, services, training, and transportation.
The capabilities in this announcement include:
• Munitions for National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS);
• HAWK air defense munitions;
• Stinger missiles;
• Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems (c-UAS) munitions;
• Ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
• 155mm and 105mm artillery ammunition;
• Air-to-ground munitions; Any guesses as to what this might be?
• High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARMs);
• Unmanned Aerials Systems (UAS);
• Javelin and AT-4 anti-armor systems;
• Tube-launched, Optically guided, Wire-tracked (TOW) missiles;
• Small arms and ammunition and grenades;
• Demolitions equipment and munitions;
• Secure communications equipment;
• Commercial satellite imagery services;
• Medical equipment;
• Clothing and individual equipment; and
• Spare parts, maintenance and sustainment support, ancillary equipment, services, training, and transportation.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 12/30/24 at 3:47 pm to VolSquatch
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Not a big deal and you're free to do so. Just think it would be good if you learn that about yourself.
Thanks Doc.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 3:59 pm to REG861
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How do you say “owned” in Russian?
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 12/30/24 at 4:13 pm to REG861
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How do you say “owned” in Russian?
It's spelled Lima Whisky
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