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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:38 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:38 pm to
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Declaring war on Russia and using nukes to attack is not the moral thing to do.
War is immoral. You think what we incited in Ukraine is moral? Goodness.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:40 pm to
Literally 0 difference in terms of our required commitment because Ukraine didn’t get it in writing
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:40 pm to
You really believe that?
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:43 pm to
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love how you guys somehow separate two billionaires (one of whom is the richest person on the planet) from "the ruling class!


You don’t think Trump and Elon are fundamentally different animals than a Biden, Clinton, Bush, or Pelosi? People who have made it in the private world vs leeches latched on to the tit of the American tax payer?
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 7:42 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:43 pm to
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Well, explain it to me please so I can understand it...
One side attempts to shut down free speech, to conduct unlawful elections, redistribute wealth, and to deploy the IRS and DOJ against political enemies. The other side decentralized abortion laws.

You figure it out from there.
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 7:52 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:50 pm to
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Obama got it for giving a speech about nuclear disarmanent
Well, that clears up a longstanding question of mine ...
WTF qualified Obama for a NP?

So it was 'disarmanent'?
Thanks for the tidbit.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13312 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:07 pm to
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Despite having only been in office for 8 months


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the Nobel Committee lauded Obama for his “extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples”. Emphasis was also given to his support - in word and deed - for the vision of a world free from nuclear weapons.


This is literally from the Nobel website
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:14 pm to
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This is literally from the Nobel website



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So it was 'disarmanent'?
This was literally sarcasm, dummy.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13312 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:17 pm to
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This was literally sarcasm, dummy

Yeah..I'm aware. I was going along with your sarcasm. But you didn't catch it, genuis.

ETA: But I'm still holding on to your 90% chance that Trump ends the war before he's inaugurated. Fingers crossed.
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 8:18 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:30 pm to
ISW Update Nov 19

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces have defended against Russia's full-scale invasion for 1,000 days and continue to demonstrate incredible resilience against Russian aggression.

Ukraine continues to improve its warfighting capabilities and prepare itself to be self-sustainable in the long term.

Ukrainian forces conducted the first ATAMCS strike on Russian territory overnight on November 18 to 19, hitting a Russian ammunition depot in Karachev, Bryansk Oblast — days after obtaining permission to conduct such strikes.

Russian President Vladimir Putin signed Russia's updated nuclear doctrine on November 19 in a clear response to the Biden Administration's decision to greenlight long-range strikes into Russia and as part of Putin's ongoing efforts to influence Western decision-makers into shying away from providing additional support to Ukraine.

Russia’s adoption of an amended nuclear doctrine is the latest iteration of now-frequent Russian nuclear saber-rattling and does not represent a substantial change in Russia’s nuclear posture, doctrine, or the threat of the employment of nuclear weapons.

The Kremlin has continuously attempted to use nuclear saber-rattling to deter Western military support for Ukraine, and the Kremlin's ongoing efforts to inject nuclear threats into the information space indicates that the Kremlin is concerned about the battlefield impacts of Ukrainian strikes into Russia with Western-provided weapons.

Ukraine only recently has started receiving the weapons systems and military capabilities necessary to wage modern large-scale combat operations, and Ukraine may be able to conduct operationally significant counteroffensives in the future, provided the West reinforces building Ukrainian capabilities at scale.

Russian forces recently advanced in the main Ukrainian salient in Kursk Oblast and in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and Ukrainian forces recently advanced north of Kharkiv City.


Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:31 pm to
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genuis
"genius"

It's an immutable characteristic.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150128 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:31 pm to
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You don’t think Trump and Elon are fundamentally different animals than a Biden, Clinton, Bush, or Pelosi?
they are different!
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:43 pm to
Random tweets
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#BREAKING Ukraine "will lose" its war against Russia if the United States cuts military funding to Kyiv, President Volodymyr Zelensky tells Fox News.

"If they cut, we will -- I think we will lose," Zelensky said in an interview with the US television network, adding: "We will fight. We have our production, but it's not enough to prevail."

LINK

quote:

Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 1000:
Situation on northeastern front: During the last seven days #RussianArmy completely captured the northern forest of Kolisnykivka & entered in the village of Zhyvotivka.

Situation on Toretsk front: #RussianArmy took full control over Avangard Stadium & advanced north of Hrushevskoho avenue reaching Svitla street.

Situation southwest of Donetsk: #RussianArmy made new advances southwest of Pobjeda reaching the northern outskirts of Illinka.

After 1000 days since Russian-Ukrainian War began #RussianArmy currently control 86818 Sq Km, which corresponds to 14,38% of Ukraine (18,85% with Crimea Peninsula included):
- Donetsk People's Republic forces controls 17466 Km^2 (65,87% of Donetsk oblast)
- Luhansk People's Republic forces controls 26457 Km^2 (99,15% of Luhansk oblast)

LINK

quote:

Russian oil industry faces certification crisis as 80% of motor oils in Russia may be “outlawed”: by 2025, Russian oil producers will lose certifications issued by foreign labs, making domestic oils illegal to produce or sell. To address this, a national standardisation system is being developed, but it could take up to three years. Meanwhile, the market faces challenges from uncertified oils and counterfeit products.

LINK
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57840 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:54 pm to
Here’s more good news for those you cheerleading this war…

Biden approves sale of land mines to Zelensky
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 8:55 pm
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2867 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:02 pm to
Mines are defensive in nature and can't be used to escalate by responding to Russian attacks....

So they are not antagonistic and don't cross Putin's "red lines"
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57840 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:04 pm to
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Mines are defensive in nature and can't be used to escalate by responding to Russian attacks.... So they are not antagonistic and don't cross Putin's "red lines"


I hope you tell the kids that get blown apart long after the war is over. They’ll be comforted.

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anti-personnel landmines are largely banned from use under the Ottawa Treaty (also known as the Anti-Personnel Mine Ban Convention), which prohibits the use, production, stockpiling, and transfer of these weapons, with most countries in the world having signed on to the treaty; however, a few notable countries, including the United States, have not fully ratified it and may still use them in certain situations.

Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57840 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:05 pm to
Us policy on mines

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As a result of the decision, the United States will not develop, produce, or acquire anti-personnel landmines, not export or transfer anti-personnel landmines except when necessary for activities related to mine destruction or removal and for the purpose of destruction. They will not use anti-personnel landmines outside the Korean Peninsula, they will not assist, encourage, or induce anyone outside the context of the Korean Peninsula to engage in activity that would be prohibited by the Ottawa Convention, and undertake to destroy anti-personnel landmines and their stockpiles not required for the defense of the Korean Peninsula
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:05 pm to
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Frick all of you cheerleaders for this money laundering operation. Daddy's coming home gotta squeeze as much cash out as possible eh


This is aid that was provided by Congress, including the GOP house.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:08 pm to
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War is immoral. You think what we incited in Ukraine is moral? Goodness.


Your act is old, you need some fresh material.

We incited the war??! My arse. Putin attacked Ukraine, Georgia and Chechnya providing an obvious pattern.

At worst we tried to cultivate Ukraine’s friendship and Putin didn’t like that. If that is immoral then so be it.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 7:07 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57840 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:10 pm to
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This is aid that was provided by Congress, including the GOP house.


I don’t know if you realized, but there are a bunch of real cocksuckers in the GOP, too. GOP Tiger
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