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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/17/24 at 7:17 am to tokenBoiler
Posted on 10/17/24 at 7:17 am to tokenBoiler
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Based on the talking points that are being pushed by the chaos goblins, apparently they should be sent to North Carolina.
Maybe if we do that, the residents there can sell them to Ukraine. Maybe Ukraine can afford to pay more than $750
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Posted on 10/17/24 at 7:33 am to VolSquatch
What would a civilian in need in NC do with an old Bradley?
Posted on 10/17/24 at 7:46 am to doubleb
Do you just not read posts you reply to, or can you not understand them?
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:00 am to VolSquatch
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Do you just not read posts you reply to, or can you not understand them?
I try my best.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:55 am to VolSquatch
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Maybe Ukraine can afford to pay more than $750
Do you really believe that the people in that area are only getting $750 in assistance?
Posted on 10/17/24 at 10:00 am to CitizenK
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WWII says not true.
The Europeans rely on defense contractors instead of owning their own plants. Their production is flat.
You need an entity that is happy to absorb the cost of the investment, who doesn’t have to justify it to shareholders, and who won’t see it as a white elephant in the future, but as an asset. That’s the government. State owned plants are more responsive to surges in need as well.
This post was edited on 10/17/24 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/17/24 at 10:10 am to Lima Whiskey
I mean, he's right. Ukraine definitely has the capability to build nukes. They still have plenty of old Soviet scientists who have the know-how.
In the long term, either the US/NATO guarantee Ukrainian national security, or they will have to develop nukes to deter further Russian aggression.
In the long term, either the US/NATO guarantee Ukrainian national security, or they will have to develop nukes to deter further Russian aggression.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 10/17/24 at 10:22 am to GOP_Tiger
This actually makes a little sense.
Did you see that thread on the Poli board where OML posted a 2 sentence tweet that made it sound like Z was demanding Trump give Ukraine nukes
Wonder if they have even started the research stage?.
Did you see that thread on the Poli board where OML posted a 2 sentence tweet that made it sound like Z was demanding Trump give Ukraine nukes
Wonder if they have even started the research stage?.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 10:31 am to GOP_Tiger
You realize the Russians would annihilate Ukraine to prevent that. The attempt to develop nukes would result in the destruction of an independent Ukraine.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 10:33 am to notiger1997
Do you really believe I want to send Strykers to flood victims so they can sell them to Ukraine?
Posted on 10/17/24 at 11:00 am to Lima Whiskey
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You realize the Russians would annihilate Ukraine to prevent that. The attempt to develop nukes would result in the destruction of an independent Ukraine.
1. No, they wouldn't, for the same reasons that they aren't nuking Ukraine right now.
2. Almost all counties that have developed nukes have done so secretly. Russia might not know until the nukes were already created.
Many US allies have not developed nukes, because they have trusted in the US and other allies for protection. If the US allows Russia to conquer Ukraine, you will see nations such as Japan, Korea, and Poland invest in nukes to protect themselves.
An isolationist United States will make for a much more dangerous world.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 11:01 am to Lima Whiskey
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You realize the Russians would annihilate Ukraine to prevent that. The attempt to develop nukes would result in the destruction of an independent Ukraine.
Seriously, what do you think Russia is doing now? They are out to destroy an independent Ukraine.
Short of using nukes and internal political restraints, Russia is doing all they can go right now. If they could do more they would.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 11:36 am to doubleb
Posted on 10/17/24 at 11:47 am to doubleb
Let's get out of Ukraine and
Get back on the train and
Lets rebuild America First!
Get back on the train and
Lets rebuild America First!
Posted on 10/17/24 at 11:57 am to SirWinston
We already have a massive infrastructure plan thanks to Joe, Kamala and the Dems.
I think we already have 7 recharging stations.
I think we already have 7 recharging stations.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 12:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
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No, they wouldn't, for the same reasons that they aren't nuking Ukraine right now.
You’re being naive
Posted on 10/17/24 at 12:25 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The Europeans rely on defense contractors instead of owning their own plants. Their production is flat.
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The countries of the European Union began with a head start, producing about 230,000 155mm shells a year—about one-third more than the U.S. The EU also has a better recent record for approving annual spending plans.
By February 2023, European production was at 300,000 rounds annually, according to Estonian defense officials. By November, capacity had risen again, though assessments differ. European Commissioner for the Internal Market Thierry Breton suggested that Europe could now make some 400,000 rounds annually. Estonia’s Pevkur, speaking at a November media roundtable, put the figure between 600,000 and 700,000—and said it would reach one million rounds in 2024.
In March, the EU announced it would spend 2 billion euros ($2.2 billion) to send one million 155mm shells to Ukraine within a year. The money is split between paying countries to send stockpiled shells to Ukraine and acquiring new shells from EU members and Norway under a joint procurement scheme.
But the EU will not meet its goal this year, German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius confirmed recently. In September, Estonian defense official Kusti Salm said the plan would likely be fulfilled by mid-2024.
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A German defense company announced last month that it plans to open an ammunition factory in Ukraine that it said will produce hundreds of thousands of 155mm caliber bullets each year. In Germany, the same company broke ground on a new factory expected to eventually produce around 200,000 artillery shells per year.
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While European production is below what they want it's definitely grown
Posted on 10/17/24 at 12:27 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Many US allies have not developed nukes, because they have trusted in the US and other allies for protection. If the US allows Russia to conquer Ukraine, you will see nations such as Japan, Korea, and Poland invest in nukes to protect themselves.
An isolationist United States will make for a much more dangerous world.
This is the money quote from the last three years. If I'm Japan, Korea, Poland, and several other countries I'm starting a crash nuclear program Yesterday.
The BIden administration has given Ukraine just enough aid to keep from losing without giving them what they need to win. Trump would pull the rug completely, as well as pull out of NATO and SEATO if he can. And even if he loses, the isolationists aren't going away. They'll be back in four, eight, twelve years.The U.S has proven over and over that it's at best an unreliable partner.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 12:45 pm to StormyMcMan
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While European production is below what they want it's definitely grown
It’s supply and demand. If there’s money to be made people figure out ways to profit.
Of course you know that, but some here don’t.
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