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Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:52 am to doubleb
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:03 am to cypher
If Zelensky wants to pursue a nuclear program should we not let them into NATO, I honestly don't care if Russia were to just take the whole country. Granted I didn't really care all that much if they did to begin with because Ukraine and who owns it just isn't at all important to US interests, but now the miniscule amount of care I did have is gone.
We don't need an unstable, soon to be third world shithole with nukes. We already have one of those to their east.
We don't need an unstable, soon to be third world shithole with nukes. We already have one of those to their east.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:17 am to doubleb
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I thought Russia’s manpower was going to overwhelm Ukraine??? Why do they need help? And does this open the door for Poland to send volunteers to fight on the Russian side?
Because extra soldiers is always good?
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:27 am to RaoulDuke504
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Because extra soldiers is always good?
Good answer
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:30 am to doubleb
Are there actually people in here who think Russia is doing a good job?
I think Russia is going to eventually win, but its been a debacle for them.
Not sure who you're really trying to convince here, or if its just virtue signaling
I think Russia is going to eventually win, but its been a debacle for them.
Not sure who you're really trying to convince here, or if its just virtue signaling
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:45 am to VolSquatch
You are the thread leader. You dhojlf know all the answers but I will pkay.
1) yes there are.
2) yes it is.
3) yes, I’m virtue signaling.
Now what are you doing?
1) yes there are.
2) yes it is.
3) yes, I’m virtue signaling.
Now what are you doing?
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:50 am to cypher
If one is honest, without US support Russia would have crushed Ukraine long long ago.
So disingenuous.
So disingenuous.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:58 am to doubleb
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1) yes there are.
Like who? Im assuming Lima is one, and if you read what he says hes more in the "Russia will win" camp than "they have done a good job"
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3) yes, I’m virtue signaling.
Takes a big man to admit it, thank you
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Now what are you doing?
Consistently saying the most accurate things that get said in this thread, for starters
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:27 am to VolSquatch
Trump blames Zelensky, Biden for Russia's invasion of Ukraine
by Abbey Fenbert October 18, 2024 12:37 AM
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump blamed U.S. and Ukrainian leadership, rather than Russian President Vladimir Putin, for Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine during a podcast interview released on Oct. 17.
The comments come three weeks ahead of the U.S. presidential election, a race which may determine the future of Washington's military support for Ukraine.
U.S. President Joe Biden "instigated the war," Trump told podcast host Patrick Bet-David, saying he "largely blames" Biden for the invasion.
Trump also complained about President Volodymyr Zelensky and the amount of military aid Washington has provided to Kyiv.
"And that doesn't mean I don't want to help them because I feel very badly for those people. But (Zelensky) should never have let that war start," he said.
"That war's a loser."
Trump claimed Russia would not have launched the full-scale invasion in February 2022 if he had been president at the time.
"This should've been settled before it started," he said.
"It would've been so easy. If we had a president with half a brain, it would've been easy to settle."
Trump has made similar comments repeatedly during his campaign, insisting the war would not have happened on his watch while withholding concrete details on a plan to achieve peace now.
While Trump was quick to blame Zelensky and Biden for the war, he made no mention of Putin during the interview.
The Kyiv Independent
by Abbey Fenbert October 18, 2024 12:37 AM
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump blamed U.S. and Ukrainian leadership, rather than Russian President Vladimir Putin, for Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine during a podcast interview released on Oct. 17.
The comments come three weeks ahead of the U.S. presidential election, a race which may determine the future of Washington's military support for Ukraine.
U.S. President Joe Biden "instigated the war," Trump told podcast host Patrick Bet-David, saying he "largely blames" Biden for the invasion.
Trump also complained about President Volodymyr Zelensky and the amount of military aid Washington has provided to Kyiv.
"And that doesn't mean I don't want to help them because I feel very badly for those people. But (Zelensky) should never have let that war start," he said.
"That war's a loser."
Trump claimed Russia would not have launched the full-scale invasion in February 2022 if he had been president at the time.
"This should've been settled before it started," he said.
"It would've been so easy. If we had a president with half a brain, it would've been easy to settle."
Trump has made similar comments repeatedly during his campaign, insisting the war would not have happened on his watch while withholding concrete details on a plan to achieve peace now.
While Trump was quick to blame Zelensky and Biden for the war, he made no mention of Putin during the interview.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:38 am to cypher
Trump is wrong, Putin invaded in 2014 long before Z and Biden took over.
Putin is the one to blame.
Would Putin have invaded if Trump was president? He appeared to have waited until Trump left office to pull the trigger.
Besides if it were so easy to settle the issues then why didn’t Trump do it? The issues in 2022 didn’t suddenly pop up.
Putin is the one to blame.
Would Putin have invaded if Trump was president? He appeared to have waited until Trump left office to pull the trigger.
Besides if it were so easy to settle the issues then why didn’t Trump do it? The issues in 2022 didn’t suddenly pop up.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:40 am to VolSquatch
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Like who? Im assuming Lima is one, and if you read what he says hes more in the "Russia will win" camp than "they have done a good job"
Most of the PT board that pops in and out.
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Takes a big man to admit it, thank you
Coming from you it’s a big compliment.
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Consistently saying the most accurate things that get said in this thread, for starters
We all know that.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:11 am to cypher
Yea, the guys on here saying Trump is not going to fold the tent on Ukraine are engaging in wishful thinking. And nobody with any authority in the GOP is going to oppose him. Johnson and Vance have both stated they're against further aid to Ukraine, and McConnell is stepping down from his leadership of the Senate Republican Conference.
Maybe the EU will be able to support Ukraine on its own, I don't know. But the long term blowback will be multiple new nuclear powers and a loss of American influence to determine how and where those weapons will potentially be used. This will make the world more dangerous, including for The US.
Maybe the EU will be able to support Ukraine on its own, I don't know. But the long term blowback will be multiple new nuclear powers and a loss of American influence to determine how and where those weapons will potentially be used. This will make the world more dangerous, including for The US.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:54 am to Jim Rockford
could be norks, looks like they are all the same size, small...
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:58 am to cypher
We're so afraid of escalating, meanwhile Russia is escalating away.
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:08 pm to Jim Rockford
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We're so afraid of escalating
We have been escalating, and thats why our approach has been so stupid.
Had we just let them do what they wanted to do from the very start and then washed our hands of it, no further escalation.
By doing it the way Biden has decided to do it, Russia feels it has to match or it looks weak.
Its like establishing that a fight is a knife fight from the beginning vs. a fight starting as a fist fight, someone grabs brass knuckles, then the other guy grabs a knife, and finally the first guy gets a gun and just shoots other guy.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:16 pm to Jim Rockford
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We're so afraid of escalating, meanwhile Russia is escalating away.
Yep. This right here:
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:54 pm to VolSquatch
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If Zelensky wants to pursue a nuclear program should we not let them into NATO,
That’s cute considering it was the west who persuaded Ukraine to give up their nukes in the first place.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 1:24 pm to notiger1997
Zelensky's point is that Ukraine would much rather have the protection of NATO than do things such as develop its own deterrent.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 1:48 pm to VolSquatch
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Had we just let them do what they wanted to do from the very start and then washed our hands of it,...
The US would then have welched on its commitment to Ukraine for surrendering their Nukes..
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