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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/17/24 at 1:05 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 10/17/24 at 1:05 pm to Jim Rockford
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The U.S has proven over and over that it's at best an unreliable partner.
How much are we obligated to give Ukraine to make us reliable? Everything we have? Give them new tech we don't really want to reveal yet? Send troops in if it looks like Kyiv is going to fall? Where is the line?
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Posted on 10/17/24 at 1:23 pm to VolSquatch
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How much are we obligated to give Ukraine to make us reliable?
That should have been established by Joe Biden on day one. Of course that info should have been kept under wraps. Anything we say is pure speculation, but it looks like aid to Ukraine was slowly ratcheted up and there was no plan to hurry up and get them what they needed initially.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 2:07 pm to doubleb
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Anything we say is pure speculation
Well its pretty common to see here that we haven't been a good partner to Ukraine or 'haven't kept our word'. Not sure what people reasonably expect.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 2:20 pm to StormyMcMan
They’re not hitting their production targets
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“There’s a lot of wishful thing … People underestimate the time needed to realize projects,” said Thys. “The industrial fabric in Europe isn’t strong enough to support Ukraine."
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This post was edited on 10/17/24 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 10/17/24 at 2:25 pm to Lima Whiskey
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You’re being naive
You should ask the OLD Black Sea Fleet especially its flagship about unable to develop them? Ukraine already has ballistic missiles just not any nuke warhead.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 2:39 pm to VolSquatch
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Well its pretty common to see here that we haven't been a good partner to Ukraine or 'haven't kept our word'. Not sure what people reasonably expect.
I can’t be responsible for what others say, but everyone has an opinion and it’s easy to speculate that Biden has not been very strong.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 2:42 pm to Lima Whiskey
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They’re not hitting their production targets
But that's not what your claiming. You've been saying that there is no longer term demand because companies aren't expanding production. The past 2 replies I've made to you have shown expanded production in both the US and Europe. Not hitting a production goal isn't the same thing as a lack of demand
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We are capitalists. I’d better investors are already planning on how they can make shells and make money doing that.
If that was true, it would have happened. It didn't.
But going back through i see you keep jumping back and forth between increasing production and the economics thereof. I was mainly responding to the fact that supply is increasing because there is increased demand, not about meeting targets
This post was edited on 10/17/24 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 10/17/24 at 3:12 pm to Jim Rockford
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Trump would pull the rug completely, as well as pull out of NATO and SEATO if he can.
That is not factual. His goal during his first term was to get NATO partners to pay their share as per treaty agreements. Since Feb 2022, the slackers have almost all realized that he was correct and have ponied up their fair share of the spending as percentage of GDP.
Trump is not actual Putin's podna. That idea comes from the Russia Collusion Hoax In fact, if there was any Russian Collusion it was Obama/Hillary. We all remember Obama's hot mic moment with Medvedev.
Trump's actual strength with Russia is that he is unpredictable regardless of what he has stated in public.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 3:44 pm to CitizenK
I hope you're right. Looks lie were about to find out.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:18 pm to VolSquatch
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How much are we obligated to give Ukraine to make us reliable? Everything we have? Give them new tech we don't really want to reveal yet? Send troops in if it looks like Kyiv is going to fall? Where is the line?
The most important thing is to let Ukraine use what we have already given them.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:22 pm to CitizenK
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Russia Collusion Hoax
These are no hoax. They happened and we all saw it. These are just the Trumpworld convictions related to Russia.
MICHAEL FLYNN
The retired U.S. Army lieutenant general served as Trump's national security adviser for less than a month in 2017. Flynn, who also previously served as head of the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency, pleaded guilty that year to lying to the FBI about his interactions with Russia's ambassador to the United States in the weeks before Trump took office, then tried to withdraw that plea. Trump pardoned him in 2020.
PAUL MANAFORT
Trump's former campaign chairman was found guilty in 2018 of fraud and pleaded guilty to money laundering and lobbying violations related to his work as a political consultant for pro-Russian Ukrainian politicians. Manafort was sentenced to 7-1/2 years in prison but was pardoned by Trump in December 2020.
Manafort also faced fraud charges in state court in New York but they were dismissed in 2019 by a judge who concluded that the charges violated Manafort's protection against "double jeopardy" - being prosecuted twice for the same conduct.
RICK GATES
Manafort's former business partner, who was also deputy chairman of Trump's 2016 presidential campaign, pleaded guilty in 2018 to conspiracy and lying to investigators in the Russia campaign probe. Gates was sentenced in 2019 to 45 days in jail. He testified as a prosecution witness in Manafort's trial.
Trump's actual strength with Russia is that he has Putin's cock in his mouth.
He has only praise for Putin and has demonstrated verbally many times his position on Russia, Ukraine, and NATO. You're interpreting something that isn't in unclear language.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:40 pm to BigAppleTiger
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MICHAEL FLYNN
Fired immediately after discovering he had lied about his past associations, which were mainly with Turkey.
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PAUL MANAFORT
Fired before the election and his only duty in the campaign was herding GOP convention delegates.
Try harder next time.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:51 pm to BigAppleTiger
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These are no hoax.
You must still be looking for that Russian Consulate in Miami and those pee-pee tapes. That's what happens when you swallow the DNC and MSM bait uncritically.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 6:28 pm to doubleb
As it stands, there will be some kind of rump state. In this scenario, they would take everything
Posted on 10/17/24 at 6:38 pm to Lima Whiskey
Orban calls Zelensky's victory plan 'terrifying,' urges negotiations with Russia
by Abbey Fenbert October 18, 2024 2:29 AM
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's victory plan "more than terrifying" in a social media post published Oct. 17.
Zelensky presented his five-point victory plan to the European Council in Brussels on Oct. 17, one day after unveiling the plan to the public during a special session of Ukraine's parliament.
"What (Zelensky) outlined yesterday in the Ukrainian parliament is more than terrifying," Orban wrote on Facebook ahead of the EU summit.
Orban urged the EU to change its strategy regarding the war in Ukraine and reiterated calls for "a ceasefire and peace talks."
Under Orban's leadership, Hungary has repeatedly blocked aid to Kyiv, pushed for negotiations with Moscow, and spouted Kremlin talking points. Since taking the presidency of the European Commission in July, Orban has lobbied aggressively to stand as a negotiator between Ukraine and Russia.
Orban dismissed Zelensky's victory plan, which calls for more long-range weapons and the permission to use them against Russian targets, as "dangerous."
The Kyiv Independent
by Abbey Fenbert October 18, 2024 2:29 AM
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's victory plan "more than terrifying" in a social media post published Oct. 17.
Zelensky presented his five-point victory plan to the European Council in Brussels on Oct. 17, one day after unveiling the plan to the public during a special session of Ukraine's parliament.
"What (Zelensky) outlined yesterday in the Ukrainian parliament is more than terrifying," Orban wrote on Facebook ahead of the EU summit.
Orban urged the EU to change its strategy regarding the war in Ukraine and reiterated calls for "a ceasefire and peace talks."
Under Orban's leadership, Hungary has repeatedly blocked aid to Kyiv, pushed for negotiations with Moscow, and spouted Kremlin talking points. Since taking the presidency of the European Commission in July, Orban has lobbied aggressively to stand as a negotiator between Ukraine and Russia.
Orban dismissed Zelensky's victory plan, which calls for more long-range weapons and the permission to use them against Russian targets, as "dangerous."
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 10/17/24 at 6:55 pm to cypher
Fat Phucker Orban is skeered his natural gas is going to be cut off. He's had since 2012 to allow a pipeline to be built connecting Hungary with natural gas from Azerbaijan but cut a deal with the Moscow Midget.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 7:50 pm to CitizenK
ISW Update Oct 17th
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Key Takeaways:
Russian sources reported on October 16 that unspecified actors killed the deputy commander of Russia's Special Operations Forces (SSO) Training Center, Nikita Klenkov, near Moscow City.
The European Union (EU) issued a statement on October 16 condemning Russian executions of Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) and noted that at least 177 Ukrainian POWs have died in Russian captivity since February 2022.
Ukrainian forces recently advanced near Toretsk and Pokrovsk.
Russian forces recently advanced in Kursk Oblast and near Chasiv Yar, Pokrovsk, and Kurakhove.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 10:07 pm to StormyMcMan
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Russian sources reported on October 16 that unspecified actors killed the deputy commander of Russia's Special Operations Forces (SSO) Training Center, Nikita Klenkov, near Moscow City.
The mnd immediately goes to Ukrainean saboteurs or getting on the wrong side of the FSB. But it could have been a drunken dispute with another officer. Or maybe Jody took matters Into his own hands:
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 11:05 am
Posted on 10/17/24 at 11:50 pm to CitizenK
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That is not factual.
We don't know, do we? We don't know if your interpretation is factual, do we?
Posted on 10/18/24 at 6:19 am to Lee B
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SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — South Korea’s spy agency said Friday that North Korea has dispatched troops to support Russia’s war against Ukraine, a development that could bring a third country into the war and intensify a standoff between North Korea and the West.
The National Intelligence Service said in a statement that Russian navy ships transferred 1,500 North Korean special operation forces to the Russian port city of Vladivostok from Oct. 8 to Oct. 13. It said more North Korean troops are expected to be sent to Russia soon.
The North Korean soldiers deployed in Russia have been given Russian military uniforms, weapons and forged identification documents, the NIS said. It said they are currently staying at military bases in Vladivostok and other Russian sites such as Ussuriysk, Khabarovsk and Blagoveshchensk, and that they will likely be deployed to battle grounds after completing their adaptation training.
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South Korean media, citing the NIS, reported that North Korea has decided to dispatch a total of 12,000 troops formed into four brigades to Russia. The NIS did not immediately confirm the reports.
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Experts also said that North Korea likely received Russian promises to provide security support over the intense confrontations over its advancing nuclear program with the U.S. and South Korea.
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