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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:59 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:59 am to
I think you nailed it. Russia spends thousands of dollars on a missile and they let lieutenants randomly fire them when they feel like it.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:23 am to
Do you think its worth it to Russia to systematically target civilians with a million+ dollar missile only to kill 10-15 at a time? Does that make sense to you?
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:24 am to
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Russia spends thousands of dollars on a missile


Most of them cost at least a million, some of them are multi-million dollar weapons.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:24 am to
Just got off the phone with an international grain trader.

Russian money fleeing like crazy. Banks in Dubai are welcoming it, they don't care where it comes from.

The international grain business is in the shitter due no one has any money to pay for it, even Russia and China are broke
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:03 am to
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Do you think its worth it to Russia to systematically target civilians with a million+ dollar missile only to kill 10-15 at a time? Does that make sense to you?


So the missiles that blow up schools, apartments, stores and hospitals are accidents? What is your theory?
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:12 am to
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So the missiles that blow up schools, apartments, stores and hospitals are accidents? What is your theory?



And around and around we go. Good talk. You're not listening.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:48 am to
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So, a tactic?


Russia did that in Chechnya and in Syria. The Syrian campaign put a lot of refugees into Europe, by design.

You don't have to be as accurate if you are bombing civilians.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:52 am to
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stormtroopers (who famously can't hit shite)


Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 12:12 pm to
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You don't have to be as accurate if you are bombing civilians.



But you do if you're taking followup shots to exactly where you hit the first time.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 12:42 pm to
One of the things that has been shown most clearly in this war (and in Gaza) is that most of the world simply does not care about civilian deaths.

The only time that civilian deaths actually matter is if the US causes them. That's when the liberals of the world get all up in arms.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 1:07 pm to
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One of the things that has been shown most clearly in this war (and in Gaza) is that most of the world simply does not care about civilian deaths.


I think with Gaza you've got a bit of unmasking of people who are very open to the idea of revenge, an eye for an eye, etc.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 3:16 pm to
Random tweets

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For a week of war against Ukraine, the Russian Federation spends more money than 80% of its regions in a year, — The Moscow Times.

According to the publication, in 2025, Russia plans to spend $95.4 billion on military needs. This means that the daily costs of the war will amount to almost $275 million.

At the same time, only 18 out of 83 Russian regions have budgets that exceed the weekly expenses of the Russian Federation

LINK

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Apocalyptics scenes in Kupiansk in Kharkiv Oblast of Ukraine as the regional administration announced the evacuation of its residents.

The decision is explained by the deterioration of the operational situation, a shortage of electricity, and the impossibility of starting the heating season.

Only 3000 residents still remain in the city out of its pre-war population of 26,000.

LINK

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The commander of the Ukrainian National Guard's 13th "Khartia" Brigade, Colonel Ihor Obolenskyi, believes the mobilization age should be lowed to 21.

LINK

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Expected weakness.

???? The US is "concerned" by reports of North Korean soldiers fighting for Russia, says State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller.

"If true, it signals a significant strengthening of ties between the two countries," DC Correspondent @ralakbar cites Miller.

LINK

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 4:29 pm to
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For a week of war against Ukraine, the Russian Federation spends more money than 80% of its regions in a year, — The Moscow Times.

According to the publication, in 2025, Russia plans to spend $95.4 billion on military needs. This means that the daily costs of the war will amount to almost $275 million.

At the same time, only 18 out of 83 Russian regions have budgets that exceed the weekly expenses of the Russian Federation


Germany's war economy of WWI is why it lost the war. The Kaiser's grip on the public was shattered. Russian farmers have already complained that they might breakeven last year. Diesel might have been short for them this year. The export market is not profitable at all gobally per my convo this morning.

As for Ukraine it is one of the lowest cost producers of grain in the world. Russia is a very high cost producer with marginal farmland being used for crops and a weak transportation system based long haul rail.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 6:17 pm to
Id think since Russia is jamming the guidance of Ukraine missiles........we are probably helping Ukraine do the same with Russian arms.

I highly doubt Russia is using valuable and limited artillery to take out a few school kids.

I also doubt they would leave that responsibility with someone who is incapable of operating the system. This is the same personnel who have continued to progress forward, in spite of every weapon the free world can throw at them.......I think they can launch a missile accurately.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:01 pm to
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I'll say what many might think but hesitate to voice: Ukraine is currently losing the war, and the trend is negative unless drastic measures are taken.

Debates over what constitutes loss or victory can be had, and yes, Ukraine’s survival so far is a big win. But even if Russia halts advances and goes on the defensive, we lack the resources to reclaim territories to the 2022 borders, let alone the 1991 borders. This is due to many factors: delayed mobilization, insufficient aid, weak sanctions enforcement, a lack of political will in the West, poor military decisions, delayed aid due to de-escalation concerns, and the sheer reality of fighting a country with four times our population, with superior numbers in almost all domains and one of the largest military industries, supported by regimes like North Korea, which contribute more than some European countries with far larger GDPs.

Manpower shortages are another issue, but that's a separate discussion. Ukrainian leadership bears a good part of the responsibility for these problems. Still, if the West can’t supply the 14 brigades Zelensky requested, why discuss drafting hundreds of thousands more? We need to completely re-arm way more existing brigades. Who’s going to pay for them? Let’s be honest - there’s little enthusiasm in the U.S. or Europe to fund this.

If Russia retains its occupied territories, it will undermine one of Europe’s core security principles: that borders cannot be redrawn by invading force. In 2014, Russia violated this order, leading to the 2022 invasion. This time, it’s not just Ukraine that will have failed - it’s Ukraine, the U.S., and Western Europe’s failure to defeat Russia.

Some might cite Finland's Winter War, as an example of what Ukraine should have done, but that war lasted three months and ended with Finland ceding territory, paying reparations in the form of machinery, and renting a port to the Soviets. Ukraine's demographics today are also very different: the 18-25 age group is among the smallest, a reality across modern Europe.

Unless Ukraine and the West create a serious plan to radically increase aid to support mobilization - where Ukraine commits to mobilizing more people on the condition that they are properly armed and trained, and the West provides robust air defense to intercept missiles as decisively as the U.S. does for Israel - Ukraine will lose the war of attrition. This will force unfavorable peace, and mass migration from Ukraine to other countries, setting a dangerous precedent, and making it look like the West lost to Russia in the eyes of the world, especially among the enemies of the West
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:17 pm to
"Despite Russia’s claims that its economy is booming, economic data coming out of Russia indicates that the economy is not only overheating, but may be imploding."

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Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:18 pm to
They need to make peace as quickly as possible, and do whatever it takes to achieve that. That minimizes their territorial losses. A Harris victory is the worst thing that could happen to them at this point, because it means the war continues, and the Russians would seek a complete military victory, with Russian soldiers taking Kiev.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:49 pm to
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Id think since Russia is jamming the guidance of Ukraine missiles........we are probably helping Ukraine do the same with Russian arms.


Quite the opposite. Ukraine replaced the dishes for Starlink stations to be more accurate and not be as detectible.

Russia used Ukrainian designed and built guidance systems for decades, even pre 2014, maybe even up to 2022. For a nation it's size, Ukraine punches well above its weight class with high tech.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:52 pm to
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"Despite Russia’s claims that its economy is booming, economic data coming out of Russia indicates that the economy is not only overheating, but may be imploding."


I've been hearing that since the summer of 2022 from my friend the former finance director at Gazprom.

This morning an international grain trader friend, based in Toronto, told me about being in Dubai last year and Russians bringing satchels of dollars, rubles and euros to open up accounts while he was in the bank on company business.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 10/16/24 at 4:35 am to
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They need to make peace as quickly as possible, and do whatever it takes to achieve that.


Right now, as you very well know, Russia is not interested in a peace deal with anything close to the current front lines. Russia demands much more territory (that it has never held), so it's just dishonest to suggest that Ukraine needs to seek peace.
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