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Posted on 10/15/24 at 7:11 am to cypher
I was talking about for the article you just posted about the 'human safari'.
On the BBC double taps article, they basically say the same thing the others did. "they are using this tactic more and more often' yet they give like 3 examples and don't share actual numbers for how often its happening.
On the BBC double taps article, they basically say the same thing the others did. "they are using this tactic more and more often' yet they give like 3 examples and don't share actual numbers for how often its happening.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 7:17 am to NC_Tigah
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In accordance with a desire to break resolve, they are employing a tactic that did not work on the Brits, did not work on the USSR during Barbarossa, did not work on the Germans, did not work on the North Vietnamese, has not worked on Israel, and brings with it the wrath of all parties not-Russian? If that is the bent, they really are a stupid lot.
I will say one point from the BBC article that the Ukrainian propaganda czar just posted that was somewhat persuasive of it maybe being a directed tactic is that if you are a ruthless pragmatist there is some military advantage in systematically taking out first responders since there is a limited amount of them.
But you would still think the practice would be a lot more widespread if that were a tactical directive, and you still have the issue where the same people telling us Russians are the real life version of stormtroopers (who famously can't hit shite) are also telling us they accurately hit civilians and then also hit the exact same spot shortly afterward.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 7:35 am to VolSquatch
You repeatedly keep challenging my opinion that Russia is launching missiles into civilian areas for terror purposes, but you refuse to tell us why you think they keep on doing it.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 7:50 am to doubleb
The US was notorious for firebombing cities of civilians and then fragment bombing in the second wave during WW2....is this what you guys are referring to?
Posted on 10/15/24 at 7:52 am to trinidadtiger
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The US was notorious for firebombing cities of civilians and then fragment bombing in the second wave during WW2....is this what you guys are referring to?
No
Posted on 10/15/24 at 7:52 am to doubleb
Maybe Russia is just bombing grain shipments and the port to cut off income for Ukraine.
So they cant sell that grain at exorbidant prices (wink wink) those honest world food programs are buying it at with your tax dollars?
So they cant sell that grain at exorbidant prices (wink wink) those honest world food programs are buying it at with your tax dollars?
Posted on 10/15/24 at 7:54 am to doubleb
International press says that Russia continues to progress on the eastern front.
zelensky describes it as "very difficult". The press describes it as "ukraine troops fleeing".
zelensky describes it as "very difficult". The press describes it as "ukraine troops fleeing".
Posted on 10/15/24 at 7:55 am to doubleb
While ukraine uses thug squads to kidnap citizens and send them to the front.......they accuse Russia of human rights violations. Ya just cant make this stuff up.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:07 am to doubleb
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You repeatedly keep challenging my opinion that Russia is launching missiles into civilian areas for terror purposes, but you refuse to tell us why you think they keep on doing it.
Because I think it likely varies on a case by case basis and I'm not going to break down every single individual case
If I'm saying that I don't think its a tactic coming from the top brass, then there isn't a specific singular purpose for them at all. But you either refuse or are incapable of providing convincing proof of it being a thought out plan instead of just case by case issues.
This post was edited on 10/15/24 at 8:10 am
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:08 am to trinidadtiger
Russia forms "Buryat battalion" staffed by North Koreans: 18 soldiers already fled positions
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Tuesday, 15 October 2024, 15:03
The Russians assembled a "special Buryat battalion" recruited from among citizens of Democratic People's Republic of Korea, while 18 North Korean personnel have already escaped from positions located along the border of Russia's Bryansk and Kursk oblasts.
Source: Ukrainska Pravda sources in Ukraine’s special services
Details: According to Ukrainska Pravda, this occurred 7 kilometres from the state border with Ukraine.
A UP source in special services said the reasons for the North Koreans' desertion were unknown; the Russian forces have begun their search. At the same time, the Russians are attempting to conceal this information from their higher authority.
Previously, reports circulated concerning the assembling of a "special Buryat battalion" in the Russian army.
The estimated number of personnel in the unit is up to 3,000.
The battalion is expected to be involved in combat activities around the settlements of Sudzha and Kursk.
Ukrainska Pravda
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Tuesday, 15 October 2024, 15:03
The Russians assembled a "special Buryat battalion" recruited from among citizens of Democratic People's Republic of Korea, while 18 North Korean personnel have already escaped from positions located along the border of Russia's Bryansk and Kursk oblasts.
Source: Ukrainska Pravda sources in Ukraine’s special services
Details: According to Ukrainska Pravda, this occurred 7 kilometres from the state border with Ukraine.
A UP source in special services said the reasons for the North Koreans' desertion were unknown; the Russian forces have begun their search. At the same time, the Russians are attempting to conceal this information from their higher authority.
Previously, reports circulated concerning the assembling of a "special Buryat battalion" in the Russian army.
The estimated number of personnel in the unit is up to 3,000.
The battalion is expected to be involved in combat activities around the settlements of Sudzha and Kursk.
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:09 am to cypher
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A UP source in special services said the reasons for the North Koreans' desertion were unknown
I think we can come up with some pretty good guesses
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:31 am to VolSquatch
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If I'm saying that I don't think its a tactic coming from the top brass, then there isn't a specific singular purpose for them at all. But you either refuse or are incapable of providing convincing proof of it being a thought out plan instead of just case by case issues.
So Russia randomly fires a missile into a civilian target because some Lieutenant woke up in a bad mood and decided to launch?
And I never said it was a thought out plan. I would never accuse Russians of thinking.
But you need to bite the bullet and admit that Russia is firing missiles at civilian targets and quit trying to dance around the issue.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:35 am to doubleb
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But you need to bite the bullet and admit that Russia is firing missiles at civilian targets
I know they are firing missiles at civilian targets intentionally. Sometimes.
You apparently think its every time. But also they are stupid. And also inaccurate. But they can also hit the same place twice.
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So Russia randomly fires a missile into a civilian target because some Lieutenant woke up in a bad mood and decided to launch?
Possibly, sure.
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And I never said it was a thought out plan. I would never accuse Russians of thinking.
Is this you?
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It’s by design. Russia wants to terrorize civilians to weaken Ukrainian resolve.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:40 am to VolSquatch
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And also inaccurate. But they can also hit the same place twice.
Both are true. They have different types of ballistic and cruise missiles with varying degrees of accuracy.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:46 am to cypher
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Both are true. They have different types of ballistic and cruise missiles with varying degrees of accuracy.
Forgot to list an important piece though, they are also running out of them! So they are deciding to hit 10-15 civilians instead of military targets with probably the only accurate thing they have, that they are also running out of?
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:47 am to VolSquatch
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It’s by design. Russia wants to terrorize civilians to weaken Ukrainian resolve.
Where did I say they were smart. I just said it’s no accident. They want to terrorize.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:49 am to doubleb
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. I just said it’s no accident. They want to terrorize.
So, a tactic?
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:51 am to VolSquatch
According to Forbes, Russia produces between 132 and 171 missiles per month, spending around $1.1 billion on missile production. This includes:
Kh-101 cruise missiles
Russia spends $585 million per month on these missiles, producing around 45 per month.
Kalibr missiles
Russia spends $228 million per month on these missiles, producing around 35 per month.
Iskander-K missiles
Russia spends $38 million per month on these missiles, producing around 10-15 per month.
Oniks missiles
Russia spends $13 million per month on these missiles, producing around 10 per month.
Iskander-M ballistic missiles
Russia spends $135 million per month on these missiles, producing around 45 per month.
Kinzhal ballistic missiles
Russia spends $60 million per month on these missiles, producing around 6 per month.
Shahed-136 kamikaze drones
Russia produces over 500 of these drones per month, spending about $100 million.
Kh-101 cruise missiles
Russia spends $585 million per month on these missiles, producing around 45 per month.
Kalibr missiles
Russia spends $228 million per month on these missiles, producing around 35 per month.
Iskander-K missiles
Russia spends $38 million per month on these missiles, producing around 10-15 per month.
Oniks missiles
Russia spends $13 million per month on these missiles, producing around 10 per month.
Iskander-M ballistic missiles
Russia spends $135 million per month on these missiles, producing around 45 per month.
Kinzhal ballistic missiles
Russia spends $60 million per month on these missiles, producing around 6 per month.
Shahed-136 kamikaze drones
Russia produces over 500 of these drones per month, spending about $100 million.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:56 am to cypher
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Russia-Ukraine war: All the proposed peace plans explained
Ukrainian President Zelenskyy has asserted that the plan proposed by Ukraine should be enacted.
By Sarah Shamim
4 Oct 2024
China and Brazil’s plan
• Russia and Ukraine to not expand the battlefield; not escalate fighting; and not carry out provocation.
• Resumption of direct dialogue and a push for de-escalation until a ceasefire is achieved. China and Brazil call for an international peace conference recognised and attended by both Russia and Ukraine.
• More humanitarian assistance to affected regions.
• Nuclear weapons, and other weapons of mass destruction, to not be used.
• Attacks on nuclear facilities should be opposed.
• Dividing the world into “isolated political or economic groups” should be opposed. Instead, international cooperation on energy, currency, finance, trade, food security and security of critical infrastructure should be supported.
This plan is rooted in a plan that China has advocated from early in the war.
Switzerland, which sent an observer to the meeting hosted by China and Brazil, welcomed their proposal. But the country’s participation and its endorsement of the China-Brazil plan drew criticism from Ukraine.
Ukraine’s plan
The peace plan has 10 pillars:
• Safety around Europe’s largest Zaporizhzhia power plant, which is occupied by Russia, be restored.
• Ukraine’s grain exports be protected.
• Ukraine’s power infrastructure, which has been damaged by Russian attacks, be restored. Price restrictions be placed on Russia’s energy resources.
• All prisoners, as well as all children and adults deported to Russia, be released.
• Ukraine’s territorial integrity be restored and reaffirmed by Russia according to the UN Charter.
• Russian troops to withdraw and hostilities to be stopped. Ukraine’s state borders with Russia to be restored.
• A special tribunal be established to investigate Russian war crimes.
• The environment be protected and water treatment facilities be restored.
• Prevention of escalation of conflict and guarantee of security for Ukraine in the Euro-Atlantic space to be made.
• A document to be signed by both parties confirming the end of the war.
Russia’s plan
• Ukraine to withdraw troops from territories partially occupied by Russia – Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk and Luhansk.
• Ukraine to give up on joining NATO before peace talks start.
US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said Putin “is not in any position to dictate to Ukraine what they must do to bring about peace”.
Africa’s peace plan
• Russia and Ukraine’s sovereignty to be recognised.
• Unhindered grain exports to be continued.
• Fighting to be de-escalated and negotiations to commence.
• Prisoners of war to be released and humanitarian aid to be increased.
• Both Putin and Zelenskyy indicated that the plan would not work.
Zelenskyy rejected the plan, saying peace talks would only be possible after Russia withdraws.
India Participation
Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said earlier, on September 10: “In this conflict, we don’t believe that a solution will come from the battlefield, so we do think that negotiations are the only way forward, at some point there has to be negotiations.”
He added that “suggestions have been made from time to time” for India to host a peace conference on the issue.
However, the South Asian country has not put forward a peace plan of its own and, despite the recent bonhomie between Modi and Zelenskyy, New Delhi and Kyiv have sharp differences over how to work towards peace in Ukraine.
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