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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:24 am to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:24 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:19 am to
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If Mexico invaded Texas and took over 1000 square miles, I’d like to think Biden would send more than the third string to get it back.
Too late. But the good news is that they brought tamales.
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:25 am to
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The Russians were doing that long before the commies took over. I’m not that old!!!!!


How are we supposed to know?
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:29 am to
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In the spring of this year, Moscow’s new military appointee overseeing security in the Kursk province dismantled a council tasked with protecting the vulnerable border region. Col. Gen. Alexander Lapin said the military alone had the strength and the resources to protect Russia’s border, according to an official in Russian security services.
WSJ

He might not want to leave the ground floor of a building every again.


Also how are yall this morning? I am enjoying my second cup of coffee and getting ready to poop before work.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:38 am to
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Lapin
French for rabbit.

Run Lapin Run
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:44 am to
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If true then the railroad to Belgorod is officially under Ukrainian control. TP in the Russian army in Ukraine is about to hard to come by.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:02 am to
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How are we supposed to know?


My big belly and my wrinkles.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:02 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 21 August 2024

According to a report by the Russian investigative outlet Vazhnyye Istorii one of the units deployed to defend against the Ukrainian incursion into Kursk oblast is a Specialised Motor Rifle Regiment formed unusually of Aerospace Forces (VKS) personnel. According to the report, the Motor Rifle Regiment was formed in May 2024 and has been subordinated to the Russian Northern Grouping of Forces.

Reportedly personnel forming the VKS-manned Motor Rifle Regiment include those previously in specialist roles such as early-warning radar operators and at Long Range Aviation Heavy Bomber regiments. Diverting personnel from these previously high priority areas likely demonstrates continuing personnel shortages. By employing them in an infantry role, they are also being misused, which could reduce Russian capability to re-take territory in Kursk oblast.

Russia continues to develop new units and recruit more personnel to sustain its mass attritional warfare approach against Ukraine. The high casualty rates that result mean that Russia needs to continuously replenish front line infantry personnel, which will almost certainly continue to limit Russia's ability to generate higher capability units.
Posted by Celtic Tiger
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:31 am to
Those cluster munitions or whatever they were are horrifyingly efficient. Damn.
Posted by tigeraddict
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:41 am to
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Those cluster munitions or whatever they were are horrifyingly efficient. Damn.


And thanks to Obama we cant use them anymore......
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:07 am to
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And thanks to Obama we cant use them anymore....


Another EO could have reversed Obama's EO. Instead, any not sent ot Ukraine we are paying to have destroyed
Posted by AGGIES
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 10:20 am to
Diverting troops was the goal.

So if this Ukranian incursion in Kursk has resulted in halting Russian advances in Donbas then it’s a good strategy.

But can’t celebrate one unless the other is also following.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 10:29 am to
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Diverting troops was the goal.


Part of the goal. It's obvious that having rail rerouted as also part. Also, to force Putin to force St. Pete and Moscow dudes into the Army for WAR would/will be extremely unpopular.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 10:41 am to
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Diverting troops was the goal.

So if this Ukranian incursion in Kursk has resulted in halting Russian advances in Donbas then it’s a good strategy.

But can’t celebrate one unless the other is also following.


Look at how the Ukrainians are moving. They found a piece of enemy territory that could be easily occupied and defended. It is especially easily defended if Russia sends in raw recruits or their national guard. Another objective besides easing pressure on the Donbas is to get control of land inside Russia. That way if Trump wins and forces the Ukrainians to negotiate if they want to keep receiving aid they have something to negotiate with.

Also I would just like to add that Ukraine somehow pulls off an fall 2022 like offensive in Kursk they can take the two lane road that connects with the R200 in Sudhzu to the Belgorod oblast for more land to negotiate with. The majority of the advance could be shielded from the Russians thanks to the Ps’ksy’ River (spelling?). If the Ukrainians can get a few improvised road connections built before the mud season they could move into the northern Donbas if they wished. It’s a modified version of the Donbas in the arse offensive that I proposed last year and earlier this year after talking to my friends in the Ukrainian army who have been begging for a flank attack on the Donbas for a year or so.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 11:11 am
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 10:50 am to
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Part of the goal. It's obvious that having rail rerouted as also part. Also, to force Putin to force St. Pete and Moscow dudes into the Army for WAR would/will be extremely unpopular.


I agree
Posted by AGGIES
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 10:52 am to
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Another objective besides easing pressure on the Donbas is to get control of land inside Russia. That way if Trump wins and forces the Ukrainians to negotiate if they want to keep receiving aid they have something to negotiate with.


Also agree. The lack of support rhetoric coming from Trump/Vance puts more emphasis on acting now
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 11:34 am to
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Diverting troops was the goal.


Not really. The main goal was to take a big chunk of Russian land so that a "frozen conflict" became impossible.

"Diverting troops" was the claim if the primary goal didn't work.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 11:35 am to
Inevitable, if Russia wants to regain the initiative in the war. But it will accelerate the upcoming Russian bankruptcy.

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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 2:56 pm to
Rumors about a Ukrainian attempt at another border incursion in Bryansk.
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