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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 8/9/24 at 4:53 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 8/9/24 at 4:53 am to GOP_Tiger
And for the record, I hate the loss of any life in this war, but I would much prefer to see the death of Russian soldiers dying in battle than the deaths of innocent Ukrainian women and children when Russia randomly blows up their apartment buildings.
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 5:06 am to GOP_Tiger
Sounds serious:
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Russian Emergency Service:
"The situation in the Kursk region is now classified as a federal emergency
The region has a federal level of response. This decision was made by the Government Commission for the Prevention and Elimination of Emergency Situations and Ensuring Fire Safety at an extraordinary meeting".
Posted on 8/9/24 at 5:11 am to GOP_Tiger
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And for the record, I hate the loss of any life in this war, but I would much prefer to see the death of Russian soldiers dying in battle than the deaths of innocent Ukrainian women and children when Russia randomly blows up their apartment buildings.
For example, the innocent people shopping in this grocery store that Putin's goons just now bombed and killed:
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 8/9/24 at 5:39 am to GOP_Tiger
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And for the record, I hate the loss of any life in this war, but I would much prefer to see the death of Russian soldiers dying in battle than the deaths of innocent Ukrainian women and children when Russia randomly blows up their apartment buildings.
To be more specific, I believe in the Christian doctrine of Just War (look it up if unfamiliar). The deaths of Russian soldiers are individually tragic but necessary to prevent greater evil.
On the other hand, some posters in here will see the video of the burning grocery store with women inside and blame Zelensky for not surrendering and turning them into Putin's subjects. Or, they'll even distort morality even more and blame America for giving Ukraine weapons. If you are one of those who see the burning grocery store and your natural instinct is to blame "warmongers" who support Ukraine, instead of Putin, then you are so perverted as to be likely doomed to eternal damnation.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 6:04 am
Posted on 8/9/24 at 6:24 am to GOP_Tiger
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I believe in the Christian doctrine
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you are so perverted as to be likely doomed to eternal damnation.
Maybe you're prescribed to a branch of Christianity I've never heard of, but you even saying 'likely doomed" there is kind of a big no-no
We've reached the "people who disagree with me are going to hell" stage of the Ukraine war
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 6:25 am
Posted on 8/9/24 at 6:51 am to VolSquatch
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Maybe you're prescribed to a branch of Christianity I've never heard of, but you even saying 'likely doomed" there is kind of a big no-no
That is about as mainstream as could be for over 1500 years
Posted on 8/9/24 at 7:15 am to CitizenK
And that has since been moved away from for obvious reasons
You can pretty easily tell which religion hasn't moved away from that line of thinking.
You can pretty easily tell which religion hasn't moved away from that line of thinking.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 7:16 am to Chromdome35
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The Russian theory about the offensive tactics of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Kursk is that they allegedly clear the sky of surveillance drones, bring electronic warfare to the first line, and attack defensive positions with a huge number of FPV drones.
The Electronic Warfare based defense against drones is the cutting edge of this war. It seems that the Ukrainians have developed a new EW drone guidance system that has caught the Russians unprepared.
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Obviously the Ukrainians are not telling us just how they managed to get through the wall of jamming, but there are a number of possibilities. It might have been something exotic kept in reserve for just this sort of target.
Both sides have deployed FPV drones which do not rely on radio communications but spool out a fiber-optic cable to communicate through. These have shorter range than radio-controlled versions but are immune to jamming. Only a few examples have been seen so far though.
Or it might have been one of the new FPV drones with automatic lock-on which Ukraine has started to field in larger numbers. These drones have a machine vision system which allows the operator to designate a target as soon as they spot it. The drone stays locked on to that target and will continue to fly towards it until impact, even if it loses the radio connection with the operator. This technology was developed partly to negate the effects of jamming, but also to reduce the demand for skilled FPV pilots.
There is another way. DanielR, a physicist who follows drone tech in the Ukraine conflict, recently spotted images of an FPV drone with an unusual component, a radio communicator which looked like a standard ExpressLRS receiver but for one small detail. This radio receiver carries the the Ukrainian nation symbol, indicating it was made locally.
“It seems to have a Ukrainian Trident symbol, strongly suggesting it is custom made,” DanielR noted on Twitter/X. “ The only reason for this would be to avoid EW by operating at a non-standard frequency… Changing the drone's receiver frequency can make the EW much less effective.”
Ukraine is increasingly making its own components to reduce its reliance on Chinese imports. This also means they can change specification and use frequency bands which are not normally associated with drones.
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 7:39 am to AU86
ISW Update Aug 8
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Key Takeaways:
Ukrainian cross-border mechanized offensive operations into Kursk Oblast that began on August 6 are continuing as part of a Ukrainian operational effort within Russian territory. ISW will not offer assessments about the intent of this Ukrainian operation in order to avoid compromising Ukrainian operational security.
Geolocated footage and Russian claims indicate that Ukrainian forces continued rapid advances further into Kursk Oblast on August 8, and Ukrainian forces are reportedly present in areas as far as 35 kilometers from the international border with Sumy Oblast. Ukrainian forces most certainly do not control all of the territory within the maximalist extent of Russian claims about Ukrainian advances in Kursk Oblast, however.
The Kremlin will almost certainly endeavor to retake Russian territory in Kursk Oblast that Ukrainian forces have seized and stop Ukrainian activity further into Russia, as substantial Ukrainian advances within Russia would be a strategic blow to Russian President Vladimir Putin's decades-long effort to cement a legacy of Russian stability, security, and geopolitical resurgence.
COA (Course of Action) 1: The Russian military command may decide to use existing conscripts, Federal Security Service (FSB) border guards, Rosgvardia, and other irregular forces already deployed to the international border area to push Ukrainian forces back and defend against the Ukrainian operation in Kursk Oblast.
COA 2: The Russian military command may decide to use the existing Northern Grouping of Forces deployed along the Russian-Ukrainian border to respond to the Ukrainian offensive in Kursk Oblast.
COA 3: The Russian military command may choose to redeploy operational reserves that it accumulated for its planned Summer 2024 offensive effort and/or relatively better provisioned and more combat effective frontline units to Kursk Oblast from elsewhere in the theater.
COA 4: The Russian military command may seek to maintain the forces it currently has committed to Kursk Oblast but could redeploy significant aviation and strike elements to the area in an effort to improve Russia's ability to retake territory.
The lack of a coherent Russian response to the Ukrainian incursion into Kursk Oblast and the reported rate of Ukrainian advance indicates that Ukrainian forces were able to achieve operational surprise along the border with Russia.
Ukrainian officials have yet to comment directly on Ukraine's ongoing operation into Kursk Oblast.
US officials noted that Ukraine's ongoing operation into Kursk Oblast is not a violation of US restrictions on Ukraine's ability to strike military targets within Russia's border areas.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 7:40 am to GOP_Tiger
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I guess (with no expertise) that one reason the Ukrainians may have gambled on Kursk is that the Russian army is at its weakest when having to react quickly. That's when rigid top-down leadership, low morale, poor communications, terrible logistics and so on hurts the most.
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UNIAN writes that as a result of the attack on the convoy in the Rylsk region… “the losses of the Russian Armed Forces could amount to 200 to 490 people in one night, which could become one of the largest one-time losses since the beginning of the full-scale war.”
As these Telegram photos show, this was no drone attack. This was done by HIMARS rockets. And everytime HIMARS is discussed, politics follows. But this time with a happy result.
It seems that the Ukrainians have pushed the recent US DoD's permission to use HIMARS on targets located in Russia to its limit. As we recall, the recent agreement was to allow the use of US weapon systems against Russian-located targets IF this targeting was to break up an imminent Russian attack across the Ukrainian border. The point being that no US weapons could be used against Russian long-range targets.
Well, in the time-honored tradition of asking forgiveness after the fact rather than permission before, the Ukrainians have obviously brought at least one of their HIMARS units along with them to Kursk. As this offensive has caught the US DoD flatfooted as well as the Russians, the White House is dealing with a fait accompli - the Ukrainians are moving the border. As every Russian move towards the Kursk occupiers is now defined as an imminent attack, the HIMARS are going to work their way north. As far as the Ukrainians - and not the Sullivanites - want them to.
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Ukrainians advancing deep into Russia, dead and retreating Russians everywhere and a confused White House hit with some UKR shock and awe. frick, this is going to be a great weekend.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 7:52 am
Posted on 8/9/24 at 7:50 am to Coeur du Tigre
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frick, this is going to be a great weekend.
Sure looks that way to me
Posted on 8/9/24 at 7:53 am to WestCoastAg
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texag7
Yeah I forgot him, but he's firmly in the lunatic fringe as well
Haven't seen Trinidad in a couple of days. I need to ask him how things are going now that the war is over
Posted on 8/9/24 at 7:56 am to GOP_Tiger
They are Russian soldiers, they earned what they got.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 7:58 am to No Colors
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
09 August 2024
Russian Ground Forces have continued conducting offensive operations along multiple areas of the frontline, with Russia achieving further tactical advances.
The focus of Russian operations almost certainly remains in central Donetsk oblast. Recent Russian advances have brought the city of Pokrovsk within approximately 16km from the current frontline. Pokrovsk is a significant logistical hub which supports Ukrainian operations in Donetsk oblast.
Russia has also continued to make gains in the contested town of Niu York and its advances in the area are threatening the town of Toretsk. Russia continues to rely on costly infantry-led assaults to make gradual advances into Ukrainian territory.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
09 August 2024
Russian Ground Forces have continued conducting offensive operations along multiple areas of the frontline, with Russia achieving further tactical advances.
The focus of Russian operations almost certainly remains in central Donetsk oblast. Recent Russian advances have brought the city of Pokrovsk within approximately 16km from the current frontline. Pokrovsk is a significant logistical hub which supports Ukrainian operations in Donetsk oblast.
Russia has also continued to make gains in the contested town of Niu York and its advances in the area are threatening the town of Toretsk. Russia continues to rely on costly infantry-led assaults to make gradual advances into Ukrainian territory.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:00 am to Coeur du Tigre
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Ukrainians have obviously brought at least one of their HIMARS units along with them to Kursk.
If so, then they brought along a new EW system that we haven't seen before. No way they rolled a HIMARS into Russi proper without a fool proof way of protecting it from a swarm of FPV drones
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:07 am to No Colors
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If so, then they brought along a new EW system that we haven't seen before. No way they rolled a HIMARS into Russi proper without a fool proof way of protecting it from a swarm of FPV drones
See my preceding post. Thanks.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 8:19 am to Coeur du Tigre
It may be something as simple as they are using a means of drone control that does not utilize cell signal and they cut cell towers in Ukraine and have taken out cell towers in Russia as they advance.
Both sides utilize cell signal to their drones and can’t afford to cut the service without effecting. Their own operations.
Both sides utilize cell signal to their drones and can’t afford to cut the service without effecting. Their own operations.
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 9:00 am to tigeraddict
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It may be something as simple as they are using a means of drone control that does not utilize cell signal and they cut cell towers in Ukraine and have taken out cell towers in Russia as they advance.
Both sides utilize cell signal to their drones and can’t afford to cut the service without effecting. Their own operations.
I read shortly before this offensive (but cannot find the site now) that UKR special forces destroyed a number of telephone comms sites in Kursk last week. And there was also an area-wide DDoS attack as the offensive started.
Posted on 8/9/24 at 9:25 am to Coeur du Tigre
Ukraine Seeks US Green Light for ATACMS to Hold Kursk and Press Moscow
Kyiv is asking the US to authorize the use of ATACMS for strikes in Russia during the offensive in Kursk. This would help Ukraine hold territory and influence negotiations with Moscow.
by Kyiv Post | August 9, 2024, 3:29 pm
The Ukrainian leadership has approached the US for permission to use ATACMS to target Russian territory after the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) conducted an incursion into Russia’s Kursk Oblast. This could allow Kyiv to hold the territory they have pushed into, according to The Washington Post, citing an anonymous advisor to President Volodymyr Zelensky.
The Kyiv Post
Kyiv is asking the US to authorize the use of ATACMS for strikes in Russia during the offensive in Kursk. This would help Ukraine hold territory and influence negotiations with Moscow.
by Kyiv Post | August 9, 2024, 3:29 pm
The Ukrainian leadership has approached the US for permission to use ATACMS to target Russian territory after the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) conducted an incursion into Russia’s Kursk Oblast. This could allow Kyiv to hold the territory they have pushed into, according to The Washington Post, citing an anonymous advisor to President Volodymyr Zelensky.
The Kyiv Post
Posted on 8/9/24 at 10:14 am to GOP_Tiger
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Russian military bloggers reporting Russian forces started their first counter-offensive attempts east to Sudzha
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That's what I was expecting. Ukraine really had clear limits on how far they could push to the east and north. However, I think that they can still take more land to the west.
From some comments about the geography, Ukraine has put the Russian counteroffensive in the position of crossing a river and fighting uphill?
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