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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/9/24 at 10:21 am to
Posted by texag7
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 10:21 am to
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Yeah I forgot him, but he's firmly in the lunatic fringe as well


Uh Chicken banned you on here for multiple years for running an online scam where people paid you and you refused to reply to emails.
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 10:27 am to
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and a confused White House hit with some UKR shock and awe


as a lot of commenters are saying, there's no way the White House and some of the NATO countries (not Hungary) did not know about this, in reality... this is supposed to trigger the use of Nukes according to Russian doctrine, so it would require a lot of intense analysis about the state of readiness of Russia's Tactical Nukes (which are in Belarus at the moment, supposedly because Putin would blame Lukashenko for going rogue if they were used) and the Baltic countries, Romania, Poland... they needed to be ready just in case. The White House gets to play dumb... it's not going to hurt Biden (or Sullivan or Austin, who it's been announced will not stay on in a Harris administration) to act like they had no idea and that serves a big global PR mission that plunky Ukraine took a risk on its own and struck a blow to the evil Russian empire. But they'll all wait 5 or 10 years and tell the story in their memoirs...

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frick, this is going to be a great weekend.



Does this finally clarify for some that Russia would be instantly annihilated in traditional combat by NATO forces... like, even Estonia and Latvia?
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 10:34 am
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 10:32 am to
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They are Russian soldiers, they earned what they got.


They are not innocent civilians... but their lives mean not a damned thing to the leader of their country, and neither do the lives of Ukrainian civilians. He's a psychopathic monster.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 10:36 am to
In a wide-ranging interview, Gen. David Petraeus, one of America’s most distinguished living soldiers, offers Kyiv Post his unique insight into Ukraine’s fight against Russia.
by Stash Luczkiw | August 9, 2024, 9:35 am

‘The US Needs to Learn a Great Deal From What Ukraine Has Done’ – Gen. David Petraeus (The Kyiv Post)
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 10:55 am to
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this is supposed to trigger the use of Nukes according to Russian doctrine, so it would require a lot of intense analysis about the state of readiness of Russia's Tactical Nukes (which are in Belarus at the moment, supposedly because Putin would blame Lukashenko for going rogue if they were used)


Maybe it's just the way you wrote it and not what you meant to say, but not all of Russia's tactical nukes are in Belarus.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:27 am to
I'm pretty confident that they would lose any support from China with such actions
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:29 am to
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Maybe it's just the way you wrote it and not what you meant to say, but not all of Russia's tactical nukes are in Belarus.


yeah, the ones that had previously been along that part of the border
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:30 am to
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I'm pretty confident that they would lose any support from China with such actions


everyone except North Korea... maybe Iran
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:38 am to
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Does this finally clarify for some that Russia would be instantly annihilated in traditional combat by NATO forces... like, even Estonia and Latvia?



The problem with your statement is that a lot of the same people saying that (which is correct, BTW) also say that we need to expand NATO, and that Putin is rolling tanks into Poland next
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:42 am to
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Uh Chicken banned you on here for multiple years for running an online scam where people paid you and you refused to reply to emails.


What?!?!? Is that accurate?

I knew he was dishonest in discussions on here. Makes sense that hes a dishonest POS in real life too

Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:42 am to
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From some comments about the geography, Ukraine has put the Russian counteroffensive in the position of crossing a river and fighting uphill?


Russia has its hands full putting together set piece battles. Whether they have the staff officers capable of organizing a hasty counterattack, much less the junior officers capable of leading one, s a very open question. As we saw last night one of the reaction forces blundered right into an artillery ambush and got massacred.
Posted by No Colors
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:58 am to
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What?!?!? Is that accurate?



No. But it makes him feel better.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:35 pm to
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Gen. David Petraeus


Petraeus gets it.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:37 pm to
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That's a lot fewer glide bombs that will be hitting Ukrainian forward positions.


EDIT: In contrast to the destroyed ammo storage shown, so far, there's no indication of any planes hit in last night's strike at Lipetsk air base. But I haven't seen photos of the full airfield.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted by notiger1997
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:40 pm to
It’s amazing that Russia couldn’t protect a place such as that.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:46 pm to
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Or it might have been one of the new FPV drones with automatic lock-on which Ukraine has started to field in larger numbers. These drones have a machine vision system which allows the operator to designate a target as soon as they spot it. The drone stays locked on to that target and will continue to fly towards it until impact, even if it loses the radio connection with the operator. This technology was developed partly to negate the effects of jamming, but also to reduce the demand for skilled FPV pilots.


The technology for image tracking, image recognition and terrain mapping guidance is not really new. It's just that in the past it took very expensive military grade dedicated chips and special hardware to achieve the results.

Now it's an app that a decent cell phone processor and camera can do.

All of this is ideally suited to the skill sets of generations who grew up on video games.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 12:47 pm
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:55 pm to
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Does this finally clarify for some that Russia would be instantly annihilated in traditional combat by NATO forces... like, even Estonia and Latvia?


The problem with your statement is that a lot of the same people saying that (which is correct, BTW) also say that we need to expand NATO, and that Putin is rolling tanks into Poland next


The people (Geopolitical expert types) that I've seen saying it pose it this way:

The action in Ukraine makes little sense unless Moldova is next, and that makes little sense unless Romania is next... and if what's driving that is the traditional Russian drive to attain geographical defense points (because apparently it's easy to just invade the Russian border and plow forward with little resistance if there's not millions of bodies of Russian peasants to throw in the way ... as shown by history and Ukraine at this very moment)... Russia kept Kaliningrad, which has always made Poland and the Baltic states nervous, and for years Putin has said things about having the right to "a land bridge" to it, just as he said about Crimea... just as he says about Transnistria...

And Putin thought his military was top-notch and a peer of NATO...

And that's why it was seen as very important that Ukraine's scrappy little military destroy the Russian army and give him a wake-up call... because Russian doctrine called for the use of Nukes if the Russian military was destroyed as a self-defensive measure. The Russian fear that NATO is always trying to invade them would validate that measure, but their belief that Ukraine is just a weak neighbor they can roll over changes things internally...

I mean, would the reaction/response have been different if North Korea had been directly behind 9/11 instead of Al Qaeda?
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 12:58 pm
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 1:02 pm to
An interesting thing I've seen discussed ina. few places is that Putin was unaware of the corruption and sorry state of his own military.

But Xi knows China's military is a paper tiger... or at least has learned it over the past couple of years. He has been purging military officials for corruption... which is probably just an excuse to get rid of people he feels are not loyal enough to him, but it's a strange thing that doing that kind of dents the military's image, which they usually will protect. There is some 4D chess that goes on with China, sometimes... so
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 1:03 pm to
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 8/9/24 at 1:10 pm to
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