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Posted on 6/11/24 at 3:44 pm to NC_Tigah
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Perhaps because no one would have use invading an incinerated, radioactive country?
Meanwhile Russia had gamed numerous plans to invade Europe.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 3:45 pm to doubleb
quote:Ukraine translates to borderlands. It is a historic bufferzone. As a NEUTRAL, Ukraine serves as a bilateral "buffer to Russia, a speed bump of sorts" as well as to eastern Europe. With Ukraine in NATO, Russia has no buffer.
Ukraine would likely become more of a buffer to Russia
Posted on 6/11/24 at 3:50 pm to GOP_Tiger
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"Ukraine could have just surrendered!" is all they ever really mean.
Or try "We possibly could have had a peace deal that was more or less the same as what one would look like today, without the thousands dead and billions of dollars spent".
Posted on 6/11/24 at 3:50 pm to CitizenK
quote:Russia? or the USSR?
Russia had gamed numerous plans to invade Europe.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 3:53 pm to CitizenK
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Meanwhile Russia had gamed numerous plans to invade Europe.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:13 pm to VolSquatch
Russia, Belarus begin second stage of tactical nuclear weapons drills
Putin said that Russia’s training in the use of nuclear weapons was a routine procedure.
“The only difference is that after the deployment of part of the non-strategic nuclear capabilities in Belarus, we are conducting them together with our Belarusian allies,” Putin said.
Belarus has been a key ally to Moscow and supported Russian aggression against Ukraine, though it has not committed its own forces directly to hostilities. The country is also reportedly hosting Russian tactical nuclear arms on its territory.
The Kyiv Independent
Putin said that Russia’s training in the use of nuclear weapons was a routine procedure.
“The only difference is that after the deployment of part of the non-strategic nuclear capabilities in Belarus, we are conducting them together with our Belarusian allies,” Putin said.
Belarus has been a key ally to Moscow and supported Russian aggression against Ukraine, though it has not committed its own forces directly to hostilities. The country is also reportedly hosting Russian tactical nuclear arms on its territory.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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A defensive weapon is one used to protect
And bombers certainly can be used to protect.
You can bomb an enemies weapons factory. You can bomb an enemy while they are deploying for an attack. You can bomb an enemy to interdict their forces.
This is all a part of defending.
You can use missiles to destroy an enemy that is bombing your homeland. You don’t have to wait for the enemy to attack you. You can attack him first.
Nuclear weapons have probably done more to deter enemies than any weapon invented.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:22 pm to cypher
Switchblade Long-Range Loitering Munition Destroys Russian Buk SAM
The Ukrainian military used the Switchblade loitering munition, which destroyed a Buk launcher.
The Come Back Alive Foundation stated that the attack drone was used by the Special Operations Forces.
A Shark reconnaissance drone of the aerial reconnaissance forces was monitoring the Russian launcher and adjusting the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The Russian air defense system was transported by a tractor that stopped in the village of Sarabash (formerly Komunarivka) in the Donetsk region.
Shark provided great quality video...
Youtube video
The Ukrainian military used the Switchblade loitering munition, which destroyed a Buk launcher.
The Come Back Alive Foundation stated that the attack drone was used by the Special Operations Forces.
A Shark reconnaissance drone of the aerial reconnaissance forces was monitoring the Russian launcher and adjusting the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The Russian air defense system was transported by a tractor that stopped in the village of Sarabash (formerly Komunarivka) in the Donetsk region.
Shark provided great quality video...
Youtube video
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:23 pm to doubleb
quote:So, IDK if you aren't reading what you're responding to, or if you simply don't care.quote:And bombers certainly can be used to protect.
E.g., A nuclear capable bomber could be used defensively with conventional weapons on an invading army within one's own borders.
You can bomb an enemies weapons factory. You can bomb an enemy while they are deploying for an attack. You can bomb an enemy to interdict their forces.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:25 pm to cypher
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Shark provided great quality video...
Pretty awesome.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:26 pm to NC_Tigah
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Russia? or the USSR?
Let's be honest. There is very little difference. Just call it Moscow where the head of the snake lives. What the whole Ukraine debacle is about is 1991 when Ukraine voted to leave the USSR. Everywhere in Ukraine voted for this. Even the Crimea (including Sevastopol) and the Donbas. The USSR dissolved because the Russians didn't want to be a minority to the Muslim population in other republics/countries. The Russians didn't have enough strength to prevent Ukraine from leaving. Putin thinks he has enough strength now to force them back in and then start adding the others back. Terrible calculation, Ukrainians fricking hate Russia for what Stalin did to them in the 1920's and especially the 1930's (3.9 million starved, just for starters). When Russia started reviving the legacy of Stalin and banned "The Death of Stalin" from their theaters I knew where this shite was headed.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:28 pm to CitizenK
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Meanwhile Russia had gamed numerous plans to invade Europe.
You absolute rube.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:39 pm to Tigris
quote:Wait!
Let's be honest. There is very little difference.
You're saying there is very little difference between the USSR and Ukraine?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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You're saying there is very little difference between the USSR and Ukraine?
In the way they govern and behave now with Putin? Absolutely yes. The USSR was a Russian dominated alliance based in Moscow. Yeah, I know all the "but Stalin was Georgian" horseshite. Putin is doing his best to take Russia back to the USSR days where he grew up, and considers the breakup to be a tragedy. This isn't hard.
ETA
And to do that without Ukraine is impossible for Russia because of the demographics. Stalin was terrified of Ukraine independence and there were stirrings of that in the 1920's. Lenin had encouraged Ukrainian and other nationalisms for reasons that weren't well thought out, and Ukrainian language had been re-introduced and there was a Ukrainian renaissance.
That was the reason for the mass starvation in 1932 and 1933 and the purges that followed. Memories go deeper than all that though. Ukraine deserves their freedom. If we don't stand up for them here, where will we ever do so? We've seen what Poland and the Baltics and Romania and others have been able to do.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:53 pm to Tigris
I hear his march on Paris is imminent. My neighbor who painted an Ukraine flag on his cat told me so. If everyone here will donate $100 a day we can stop this mad man. I bet we could raise enough to send a Bradley over to get blown up by a drone
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:54 pm to Tigris
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:57 pm to NC_Tigah
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Wait!
You're saying there is very little difference between the USSR and Ukraine?
The USSR was a Communist Totalitarian empire.
Putin's Russia is a Capitalist Totalitarian wanna-be Empire.
There is more in common between Stalin and Putin than between either and the post-Stalin Soviet leaders.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 5:00 pm to Lee B
and Xi's China is a Capitalist economy/Communist society Totalitarian country.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 5:11 pm to texag7
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texag7
fricking idiot
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