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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:28 am to
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3978 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:28 am to
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A modern, successful, democratic country immediately adjacent to Russia that improves freedoms and standards of living for its residents......makes Russia's corrupt dictatorship look like the backwards kleptocracy that it is.


1. The situation is inverted. Ukraine is worse off and poorer, by every measure, compared to Russia. Russia actually has better governance.

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Another way to put it is: "Don't start a war, there won't be a war."


2. We started the war by installing a hostile client government in Kiev. The Russians are now finishing that war.


1. Ah yes... the entirety of Russia, all those Republics spanning 11 time zones, is conveniently ONLY the upper-class neighborhoods of Moscow and St. Petersberg when it suits you guys... no, Ukrainians live much better than the great majority of Russians. Indoor plumbing is a big thing... washing machines... food, money...

2. OHMYfrickINGGODNOTTHISUTTERfrickINGBULLSHITAGAIN!!!!
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8465 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 5:29 am to
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See my post above... are they going to use them at the moment? The odds are very much against it. Would they use them if their military is pretty much defeated, there's nothing stopping NATO from waltzing in across the Eastern European plain to Moscow to settle the score?


I agree, but you have people claiming they never will. It’s extremely foolish to assume something like that.

It was rumored at the beginning of the war that Putin had some terminal and or degenerative brain condition… what are the fail safes to keep a person like that from pressing the button in Russia currently? I don’t think anyone other than a few people in the Putin government know, but I’m sure some of the posters here with more “sauces” than a recruiting insider will tell us
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8465 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 5:36 am to
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Ukrainian field commanders are reportedly compensating for training difficulties that mobilization has exacerbated by training new personnel on the frontline. Ukrainian field commanders told the Washington Post that they have devoted significant time to teaching basic skills to newly-redeployed personnel because they do not learn these skills at training centers.


Just FYI to the Ukraine pumpers, you don’t do this unless you have at least somewhat urgent personnel issues
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16254 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:04 am to
There is a reason a new guy is called FNG. Interesting a Vietnam Vet Corpsman had a stamp for files of every replacement he would stamp on their file as each arrived to his firebase. Meanwhile many complaints on the Russian side that FNG's who have been in the military for even 6 months have had no training at all.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 6:07 am
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8465 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:29 am to
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There is a reason a new guy is called FNG. Interesting a Vietnam Vet Corpsman had a stamp for files of every replacement he would stamp on their file as each arrived to his firebase


Vietnam is a really interesting comp. I think even if Russia succeeds this will be their Vietnam in a lot of ways. The younger generation in Russia will be shaped by what happens in this war and the economic consequences after, like the US was from Vietnam (though the economic thing in the US wasn't solely connected to the war).
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5767 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:00 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 04 June 2024

The Avdiivka-Pokrovsk sector has remained the probable main effort of Russian forces over the last 72 hours, with a high level of operational activity. Russian forces made minor gains, in the northern part of this sector toward the villages of Sokol and Yevhenivka. On a parallel axis approximately 3km further south Russian forces are likely approaching the outskirts of the village of Novoselivka Persha. Further south Russian forces have made no significant gains despite heavy attacks against Ukrainian positions west of the village of Netailove, astride the E50 highway.

Russian attacks against the village of Nevelske havereportedly been and the village likely remains in Ukrainian hands. Over the next week this sector is likely to remain an area of significant operational focus as Russian forces attempt to maintain operational tempo in the face of heavy losses.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8465 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:01 am to
Biden was asked about the end game in Ukraine and what that looks like.

His answer was Russia never occupies Ukraine, and that the US has a relationship with Ukraine but they aren't members of NATO.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38262 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:02 am to
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The Soviets intervened in Afghanistan because they believed they couldn't afford to let the revolution fail. But it was about prestige, and not about their own security. That's why they were ultimately comfortable leaving, and why it didn't escalate more than it did


Jesus Christ dude. Just shut the frick up already. Everything you say is steaming bullshite.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:13 am to
Ukraine is grossly poorer than Russia.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:15 am to
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Jesus Christ dude. Just shut the frick up already. Everything you say is steaming bullshite.


The Soviets didn’t want the Saur Revolution.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:20 am to
Here is the joke. Biden still will not allow Ukraine to use ATACMS to hit inside Russia.

Here is reality: you are a leftist that will vote to re-elect an old pedophile that took showers with his daughter.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38262 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:44 am to
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The Soviets didn’t want the Saur Revolution.


They didn’t want the Saur revolution , but they felt the owed it to the people of Afghanistan to invade right after. Of course !
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:45 am to
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The point is that not having that shite flaunted is a far superior way to live


Move to Russia you cuck.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8465 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:58 am to
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Biden still will not allow Ukraine to use ATACMS to hit inside Russia.


And now is publicly saying we don't want them in NATO.

Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13544 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:59 am to
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The Russians are now finishing that war.


Let's forget all that other idiot nonsense you said.

How's that "finishing the war" thing going?

What I mean is: What does a finished war look like for Russia? Toppling the government in Kiev? A frozen conflict? Securing four oblasts? Demilitarization of Ukraine?

When can we expect this to wrap up? What are the Russian objectives and when will they be reached?
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8465 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:11 am to
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What I mean is: What does a finished war look like for Russia?


I think they went into this wanting Crimea and at least independent state status for the 'contested' regions.

Now I think Russia keeps the territory it has (with some possible movement of the ultimate borders, but roughly it is what it currently is), no NATO membership for Ukraine, who knows about EU membership, the current Ukraine government likely stays in power.

Its sad because had the two sides reached a deal in 2022 its probably pretty similar to this. Such a senseless conflict.
Posted by FutureCorridor49
US 90
Member since May 2023
588 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:19 am to
frickin thread sucks
Posted by lsuoilengr
Member since Aug 2008
5460 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:26 am to
Every morning when I wake up the first thing I do is thank God I’m not on the frontlines in Ukraine
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3853 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:33 am to
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Let's forget all that other idiot nonsense you said.

How's that "finishing the war" thing going?

What I mean is: What does a finished war look like for Russia? Toppling the government in Kiev? A frozen conflict? Securing four oblasts? Demilitarization of Ukraine?

Whatever Russia wants it to look like in Ukraine, and certainly much much worse outcome had a treaty been reached in ‘21(or far before honestly).


When can we expect this to wrap up? What are the Russian objectives and when will they be reached?


Russia has stated x100 times and for decades that they do not want NATO on their border, so I’d imagine that Russia will wrap it up when they have brought Ukraine’s government low(and potentially to vassal-hood status), and certainly folded the separatists region of Ukraine into Russia’s hardened defense network/line.

What is the U.S. gonna do to stop them? Provoke nuclear war? Because a blind man can see which way this is going…

Edit: why couldn’t we have just brought Russia into the Western fold after the fall of the USSR? We could have cemented an almost iron-clad geopolitical check against China.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 8:35 am
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8465 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:41 am to
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Russia has stated x100 times and for decades that they do not want NATO on their border


And with Biden publicly toning down the "they must join NATO" rhetoric I think we are seeing a shift and potentially (hopefully) the two sides coming to the table.

I think Russia was gearing up for an actual offensive in certain areas. They have been probing the lines and attempting to take smaller villages in various areas in preparation for this, as well as establishing a couple of new bases and a new supply depot.

We responded with more aid and let Ukraine off the leash a bit with strikes into certain areas of Russia.

Ukraine is hammering Crimea right now because they know that is Russia's main objective.

Then you have the Biden pivot on Ukraine NATO membership.

Either this thing is really about to flare up with a lot of movement, or we have posturing by both sides so they feel like they have leverage in an upcoming negotiation.
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