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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:06 pm to
Posted by AU86
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:06 pm to
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GODAMNIT!!! WHY ARE WE PUSHING ZELENSKY TO BEG US TO BE ABLE TO STRIKE INSIDE RUSSIA!!!


Because we have a weak, demented President that shits himself and doesn't know what day it is. And he is too big of a wimp to fire Sullivan.

I listened to a podcast a couple days ago that had Garry Kasparov on it. He told it like it is regarding Biden and Sullivan and just how weak they are. He let them have it.

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This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 9:19 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:22 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky met with US and Singaporean officials and highlighted the upcoming Global Peace Summit during the International Institute for Strategic Studies' (IISS) Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore on June 2.

The provision of Western air defense systems and the lifting of Western restrictions on Ukraine's ability to strike military targets Russian territory with Western-provided weapons remain crucial for Ukraine to repel Russian glide bomb and missile strikes against Kharkiv City.

Ukrainian field commanders are reportedly compensating for training difficulties that mobilization has exacerbated by training new personnel on the frontline.

Ukrainian field commanders' decisions to train newly-deployed personnel on the front before committing them to combat indicates that the overall quality of Ukrainian forces will likely remain higher than that of Russian forces in the near- to mid-term.

The New York Times (NYT) published an investigation on June 2 into the forced relocation and deportation of 46 Ukrainian children from a foster home in occupied Kherson Oblast during 2022.

The Telegraph reported on June 1 in a since-removed article that British officials ordered the United Kingdom's (UK) Security Service (MI5) to refocus its counterintelligence efforts towards Russian, People's Republic of China (PRC), and Iranian agents operating in the UK.

Russian war commentator Alexander Artamonov drew backlash from Kremlin-affiliated Russian propagandists for claiming that Ukrainians are "second-class citizens." contradicting the Kremlin’s false efforts to portray Ukrainian and Russian people as one nation.

Russian forces recently advanced near Vovchansk, Avdiivka, Donetsk City, and Krynky.

Russia continues to indoctrinate Russian minors into military-political thinking to set conditions for long-term force generation.




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Adding in the full context about Ukraine training at the front
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Ukrainian field commanders are reportedly compensating for training difficulties that mobilization has exacerbated by training new personnel on the frontline. Ukrainian field commanders told the Washington Post that they have devoted significant time to teaching basic skills to newly-redeployed personnel because they do not learn these skills at training centers.[10] The Washington Post reported on June 2 that Ukrainian soldiers who had served in the rear also lack adequate skills upon arrival at the front even though many had been serving in the military prior to the start of the full-scale invasion in 2022. The problems the Washington Post identified are not surprising in these circumstances. Most of the Ukrainian forces on the frontline have been fighting for more than two years and are exhausted, so Ukraine is under pressure to speedily rotate them with fresh forces and replace losses to maintain its defense.[11] There is a difficult tradeoff to make between pulling experienced soldiers from the frontline to train new personnel or accepting bottlenecks in training the new personnel. One Ukrainian officer reportedly told the Washington Post that Ukraine needs NATO instructors to train new personnel and to halve training times to one month.[12] Russian rear-area strike campaigns against even the westernmost regions of Ukraine have ensured that Ukraine has effectively no safe rear area in which it can safely train personnel, and sending personnel to train in NATO states – such as the ongoing UK-led Operation Interflex training program – both removes Ukrainian field commanders from the training process and increases the delay in deploying soldiers as Ukraine must transport these personnel to and from NATO states. Ukraine will not resolve these issues quickly, and the average overall quality of Ukrainian forces on the frontline will likely decrease as experienced personnel rotate out and newly-deployed personnel reach the frontline even as the number of available soldiers increases. New soldiers will likely learn rapidly as they fight alongside experienced veterans, however.

Ukrainian field commanders' decisions to train newly-deployed personnel on the front before committing them to combat indicates that the overall quality of Ukrainian forces will likely remain higher than that of Russian forces in the near- to mid-term. Russian forces have consistently used newly-deployed mobilized personnel, penal convicts, and fresh contract and volunteer soldiers without adequate training to conduct mass, infantry-led "meat assaults" to make marginal gains in Ukraine and have proven willing to continue suffering extensive casualties for these gains.[13] The Russian force generation mechanism has largely met the replacement rate of casualties in Ukraine, however, incentivizing fast redeployments of new personnel for additional "meat" assaults over effective training. Russian milbloggers have consistently complained about ineffective Russian training since partial mobilization in September 2022, and a former Russian Storm-Z instructor recently claimed that Russian "strategic" reserves are "doing nothing for months" due to training bottlenecks resulting from an inadequate number of instructors.[14] Further Ukrainian cooperation with NATO instructors, particularly if those NATO instructors assist training in rear areas in Ukraine, provides further opportunities for Ukraine to improve its basic training mechanisms and improve the quality of newly deployed personnel.


This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 9:24 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16254 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:30 pm to
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Assuming nothing is outsourced or variation built on off the shelf if you are using FAANG to compare, this is only the software, nothing more.


I asked a lifelong friend (since childhood) who is VP of Biz development for a 5G company, and previously head of Business Communications Systems at HP. He started at Compaq right out of LSU.

Short answer was yes outsourced other than top level of security. The higher the level of security, the less outsourced. HIs company, World Wide Technology uses a number of software developers to work with them. just like HP did.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:49 pm to
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We had CIA guys all over Afghanistan helping Osama Bin Laden shoot down Soviet helicopters, planting IEDs, setting up ambushes, etc.

Why weren't we afraid of them nuking us then? And that's when their nukes actually probably still worked.


The Soviets intervened in Afghanistan because they believed they couldn't afford to let the revolution fail. But it was about prestige, and not about their own security. That's why they were ultimately comfortable leaving, and why it didn't escalate more than it did. Ukraine is a core security issue for the Russians, they believe a NATO led state will lead to Russias destruction. And there's an identity issue there too, much of what is now Ukraine was Russia.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:52 pm to
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That is the Hollywood version. Reagan supplied weapons to the Northern Alliance which made the real difference. (the CIA supplied money to the warlords but that's pretty much all it did)


Massoud got almost nothing from us. We spent our money on the Pashtun warlords in the south.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:01 pm to
BWAHAHAHA
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13544 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:08 pm to
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Ukraine is a core security issue for the Russians, they believe a NATO led state will lead to Russias destruction


Sure. If you boil that down to its most basic premise: A modern, successful, democratic country immediately adjacent to Russia that improves freedoms and standards of living for its residents......makes Russia's corrupt dictatorship look like the backwards kleptocracy that it is.

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much of what is now Ukraine was Russia


Much of what is now the USA once belonged to Mexico, France, Spain, and England. But we have this whole international law thing that discourages countries from invading their neighbor over what you call "an identity issue."

Another way to put it is: "Don't start a war, there won't be a war."

This war goes on for exactty as long as Vladimir Putin can tolerate it. The day he has enough, it's over. Until that day comes, the killing and the waste of resources will continue.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 10:10 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:28 pm to
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A modern, successful, democratic country immediately adjacent to Russia that improves freedoms and standards of living for its residents......makes Russia's corrupt dictatorship look like the backwards kleptocracy that it is.


The situation is inverted. Ukraine is worse off and poorer, by every measure, compared to Russia. Russia actually has better governance.

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Another way to put it is: "Don't start a war, there won't be a war."


We started the war by installing a hostile client government in Kiev. The Russians are now finishing that war.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 10:42 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
27031 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:53 pm to
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The Communists were evil, Franco's victory was a good thing. And Hemingway worked for the Soviets.


There is a very good and highly detailed history of the Spanish Civil War on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu5f9hp0IP4&list=PLjYvTCiDegvj6VWgJPZEjMqCjz2hJpBJk
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:01 am to
Can someone give me an update if Ukraine is winning yet? Thanks
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:27 am to
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We started the war by installing a hostile client government in Kiev. The Russians are now finishing that war.


You've been predicting the end for quite a while. You might make it a year soon.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:51 am to
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3978 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:01 am to
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You still don’t understand Reagan.

He wasn’t a jingoist, and he would have been strongly opposed to the war in Ukraine because it crossed one of his red lines.


:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3978 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:31 am to
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Drunkle Medvedev is the mouthpiece for those threats


i actually think he is the only one that tells the truth

i 100% believe him when he says they want to take back baltics. thats why i have been in for giving equipment, better to stop him and have ukrainians die for their country than article 5 be invoked.


This is what I keep seeing mentioned... because NATO, or even just Poland and Romania and Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania at this point, would destroy the Russian military within a week from what we've seen... and then... that's a matter of Russia being defenseless (even though they caused it) and about to cease to exist, and... well, if Hitler had a red button in the bunker that launched nukes do you think he would've pressed it before he shot himself? We calculate that the Russians are making nuclear threats out of bluster at the moment because we know they want to continue to exist, but what if it's in a scenario where they have nothing to lose/nothing to preserve on their end? Is their psychology different when nothing more awaits but a noose at the Hague?

Peter Zeihan mentions all the stuff people here have mentioned about questions regarding whether the Russian nuclear arsenal has even been maintained... but he asks "So what if Putin does push the button and none of them work? What do we do with someone who just attempted to murder hundreds of millions of people, at the least?"

Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3978 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:35 am to
quote:

laims by the pro-aid crowd:

Several of these are 100% accurate, just for clarity

-Russia is committing war crimes
-Russia is intentionally targeting civilians
-Russia regularly kills its own people for various reasons
-Putin is a madman
-Putin wants to conquer Europe
-Putin wont stop at Ukraine

and then

-Russia definitely won't use their nukes

Seems hard to group those into the same worldview.


See my post above... are they going to use them at the moment? The odds are very much against it.

Would they use them if their military is pretty much defeated, there's nothing stopping NATO from waltzing in across the Eastern European plain to Moscow to settle the score?
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3978 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:38 am to
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i do not think they try and do shite in nato countries anymore since this has been such a struggle


But what if there was a chance one of the candidates for POTUS had loudly tried to disrupt the alliance... and has loudly said Russia can do whatever they want to member states he doesn't think are paying up enough?

I mean, one of the candidates actually did and said all of that... maybe he just lies a lot?
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3978 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:53 am to
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quote:
GODAMNIT!!! WHY ARE WE PUSHING ZELENSKY TO BEG US TO BE ABLE TO STRIKE INSIDE RUSSIA!!!


Because we have a weak, demented President that shits himself and doesn't know what day it is. And he is too big of a wimp to fire Sullivan.

I listened to a podcast a couple days ago that had Garry Kasparov on it. He told it like it is regarding Biden and Sullivan and just how weak they are. He let them have it.

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Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:20 am to
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It's against the law since Feb 2022 to exhibit homosexuality in public so that Putain can claim that there are none in Russia, which is a lie.


The point is that not having that shite flaunted is a far superior way to live
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3978 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:22 am to
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The Soviets intervened in Afghanistan because they believed they couldn't afford to let the revolution fail. But it was about prestige, and not about their own security. That's why they were ultimately comfortable leaving, and why it didn't escalate more than it did. Ukraine is a core security issue for the Russians, they believe a NATO led state will lead to Russias destruction. And there's an identity issue there too, much of what is now Ukraine was Russia.


The Russians stayed in Afghanistan long enough for it to cause the collapse of the Soviet Union... wearing down the "domestic (within the Warsaw Pact countries) impression that the Soviet military was unstoppable, emboldening Poland and others countries to rise up against the Union... and to Gorbachev's credit, he realized they couldn't just kill all the people in Eastern Europe for their defiance (which is what the old party apparatchiks who remembered Stalin wanted to do)...

When the CIA talked Carter into funding the Mujahideen to fight the Revolutionary Communist government in Afghanistan right after they seized power, the pitch was "We'll be giving them their own little Vietnam... and their system will not survive it. Americans don't support our government only out of fear of our military. If we erode the Soviet public's view of their own military are infallible, the people will rebel, and they will not be able to contain rebellions all across their empire."
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:24 am to
Good to see you back, mate
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