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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/5/24 at 9:57 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 9:57 am to
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Incorrect. Macron as well as the leaders of Poland, the Baltic countries, Romania, etc have realized that Trump was right and they can’t just do nothing and expect the USA to bail them out.


Interesting is that if any of these get directly involved even as a backstop, they also get involved in the evolving drone warfare detailed use and tactics they otherwise have to view from the sidelines.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:01 am to
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Macron as well as the leaders of Poland, the Baltic countries, Romania, etc have realized that Trump was right and they can’t just do nothing and expect the USA to bail them out. They have also realized that Scholz and Biden are pussies. It’s not about a lack of leadership it’s about Europe pulling its own weight.

I'd say it's a lack of leadership from the US and some European countries realizing they need to step up to the plate.

I give Macron credit, he's openly acknowledging that the "global safety" of the post-WW2 world is gone. He's right. The United States can't afford to play world police forever, and Europe will have to defend itself.

They're sending Ukraine $50b already, and looking to create a fund of $100b in addition. They're boosting production, boosting weapon transfers, etc.

It'll be interesting to see if they actually follow through.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:13 am to
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I’m not entirely sure Russia would accept these terms. But if they do, Ukraine should jump at this chance to end the war now. I don’t see how they could get better terms.


Russia wouldn’t.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:50 am to
I'm amazed that there are still folks that believe Putin would negotiate in good faith.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:53 am to
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I'm amazed that there are still folks that believe Putin would negotiate in good faith.

Russia already guaranteed to protect Ukraine’s sovereignty. Since then they have done everything they could to control their government and then to take their lands.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 11:17 am to
Haven’t been able to check up lately any big news? Thanks. I did see this new Ukrainian drone and if the range of 3100 km with a 300 kg warhead are true then Russia has a big problem in their hands. I’d attack every refinery, airfield (ESPECIALLY Engels and Olenya), ammunition manufacturer and all any other military target I could reach in that distance which would be enormous.

LINK
This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 11:18 am
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 11:29 am to
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I’d attack every refinery, airfield (ESPECIALLY Engels and Olenya), ammunition manufacturer and all any other military target I could reach in that distance which would be enormous.
Oh they will. And without asking anyone's permission first. frick that shite.

It's the Ukrainian version of escalation management.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 12:04 pm to
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Haven’t been able to check up lately any big news? Thanks. I did see this new Ukrainian drone and if the range of 3100 km with a 300 kg warhead are true then Russia has a big problem in their hands. I’d attack every refinery, airfield (ESPECIALLY Engels and Olenya), ammunition manufacturer and all any other military target I could reach in that distance which would be enormous.

LINK


An interesting thing about a wood and canvass aircraft was the Hawker Hurricane of WWII. Bullets or 20mm cannon rounds would often simply pass through parts of a Hurricane causing little damage.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 12:07 pm to
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I have a lot of criticisms of NATO, but its objectively a good thing to deny power to China and to a lesser extent Russia.


Explain in detail how the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is in any way meant to deal with China.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 12:08 pm to
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Explain in detail how the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is in any way meant to deal with Ukraine.


Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 12:26 pm to
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Explain in detail how the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is in any way meant to deal with China.



quote:

NATO’s growing interest in China has developed against the backdrop of Beijing’s designation as a “long-term strategic competitor” in the 2017 U.S. National Security Strategy, and Europe’s growing realisation about the strategic implications of China’s rise. Both the Trump and Biden administrations have sought to expand transatlantic cooperation on China, motivated by the belief that greater European support to US policies is key to effectively addressing the economic, political and strategic challenges associated with China’s growth. While Washington has put much emphasis on discussing with the EU and individual European countries how best to tackle the geo-economic, technological and diplomatic challenges associated with China’s rise and behaviour, NATO has also become an increasingly important vector of transatlantic cooperation on China.

China was officially recognised as an important topic to NATO for the first time at the 2019 London summit, when the Alliance’s Heads of State and Government argued that Beijing’s “growing influence and international policies present both opportunities and challenges that we need to address together as an Alliance”. That statement paved the way for an increasingly substantial debate within NATO, with the US – supported primarily by the UK – consistently urging Allies to think more seriously about the strategic implications of China’s rise. Since then, some Allies have continued to raise questions about NATO’s China agenda, worrying it could sever their political and economic cooperation with Beijing, as well as insisting that the Alliance should focus on its core mandate (Euro-Atlantic security) and refrain from expanding its geographical or functional remit, not least given the need to give priority to eastern Europe.


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NATO’s China agenda can arguably be broken down into three levels of analysis. The first is global, and relates to the notion that China is the only country that can really pose a sustained and multidimensional challenge to the international system.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4645 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 12:32 pm to
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I’d attack every refinery, airfield (ESPECIALLY Engels and Olenya), ammunition manufacturer and all any other military target I could reach in that distance which would be enormous.

Oh they will. And without asking anyone's permission first. frick that shite.


Annnd... right on cue:

Russian Source: 4 x Su-34's, 2 x Su-25's and 2 or 3 x Tu-95MS's were damaged or destroyed in the Ukrainian LRAUAV attack last night

Source: LINK

Russian TG Channel Kremlin Secrets: "Bad news for our aviation. There are losses at two more airfields, strategic bombers are damaged

Unfortunately, the enemy attack at night and early in the morning on April 5 affected not only the Morozovsk airfield, where four of our aircraft were damaged. Serious losses were suffered at two more military facilities.

According to sources in the VKS, enemy drones "almost completely destroyed" two Su-25 aircraft at a military airfield in Yeysk. There are reports of four deaths.

Engels-2 airfield was also attacked. Several sources have informed us about the serious damage to "two or three" Tu-95MS strategic bombers and the death of seven people. There are allegedly several strategic aviation pilots among the dead, but these data require additional verification.

Other interlocutors deny information about the damage to bombers at the airfield in Engels. There are rumors that all information related to this emergency will be "tightly classified." This, as well as the level of sources who reported the strike on the aircraft, unfortunately, give reason to think that the information about the losses is true."

FAFO
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4645 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 12:36 pm to
Russian published map showing the routes of Ukrainian UAV's which attacked four airfields in Russia last night:

- #Morozovsk, Rostov;
- #Taganrog, Rostov;
- #Yeysk, Krasnodar; and,
- #Engels, Saratov;

Estimates are that at least 50 and possibly more LRAUAV's were deployed by the Ukrainian SBU in what the Russians refer to as a "massive strike." As usual, the Russians are reporting that almost all of the UAV's were shot down.

#OSINT #UkraineRussiaWar #UkraineWar #UkraineKrieg #Ukraine

RT Appreciated



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This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 12:38 pm
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41319 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 12:39 pm to
So, mission creep
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 12:41 pm to
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So, mission creep


His answer was basically , "because they want it to be"


Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41319 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 12:49 pm to
Articles 5 and 6 of the NATO charter seem to restrict actions involving China (unless China directly attacked one of the member's territory as spelled out in the charter).
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5747 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 12:55 pm to
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Russian TG Channel Kremlin Secrets: "Bad news for our aviation. There are losses at two more airfields, strategic bombers are damaged

Unfortunately, the enemy attack at night and early in the morning on April 5 affected not only the Morozovsk airfield, where four of our aircraft were damaged. Serious losses were suffered at two more military facilities.

According to sources in the VKS, enemy drones "almost completely destroyed" two Su-25 aircraft at a military airfield in Yeysk. There are reports of four deaths.

Engels-2 airfield was also attacked. Several sources have informed us about the serious damage to "two or three" Tu-95MS strategic bombers and the death of seven people. There are allegedly several strategic aviation pilots among the dead, but these data require additional verification.


Given these results, it appears the Ukrainians now know the number of drones required to overwhelm the air defense of even well defended military targets.

This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 1:27 pm
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
1002 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 1:53 pm to
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Russian TG Channel Kremlin Secrets: "Bad news for our aviation. There are losses at two more airfields, strategic bombers are damaged

Unfortunately, the enemy attack at night and early in the morning on April 5 affected not only the Morozovsk airfield, where four of our aircraft were damaged. Serious losses were suffered at two more military facilities


Weird, every other Russian channel is reporting no planes were destroyed and satellite images so far confirm that. "Kremlin Secrets" seems like a troll account, sorry to disappoint.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8441 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

So, mission creep



Correct

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5747 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 2:47 pm to
Ukrinform...

At least six aircraft destroyed in attack on Morozovsk airfield in Russia - source
05.04.2024 12:17

The attack on Russia’s Morozovsk airfield was carried out by the Security Service of Ukraine together with the military and defense forces. At least six aircraft were destroyed.

This was reported to Ukrinform by a source law enforcement agencies.

The airfield was home to Su-34 bomber jets and Su-27 fighter jets, which are the types of aircraft Russia uses to drop chemical warheads on Ukrainian Armed Forces positions and frontline Ukrainian cities.

According to the source, the results of the joint special operation are impressive: at least six Russian military aircraft were destroyed, and eight more were severely damaged. In addition to the equipment, about 20 Russian soldiers were killed or injured, the source added.

The attack on Russia’s Morozovsk airfield was carried out by the Security Service of Ukraine together with the military and defense forces. At least six aircraft were destroyed.

This was reported to Ukrinform by a source law enforcement agencies.

The airfield was home to Su-34 bomber jets and Su-27 fighter jets, which are the types of aircraft Russia uses to drop chemical warheads on Ukrainian Armed Forces positions and frontline Ukrainian cities.

According to the source, the results of the joint special operation are impressive: at least six Russian military aircraft were destroyed, and eight more were severely damaged. In addition to the equipment, about 20 Russian soldiers were killed or injured, the source added.

Kyiv Confirms Ukrainian Drones Destroyed 6 Russian Planes at Air Base, as Many as 3 Sites Blasted

Kyiv Post sources within Ukraine's Special Services have confirmed that the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), in collaboration with the military and the Defense Forces, orchestrated the nighttime assault on the Morozovsk airfield, resulting in the destruction of at least six aircraft.

Kyiv Post
This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 2:52 pm
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