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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:40 am to cypher
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:40 am to cypher
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Despite concerns from the U.S., Zelensky asserted that targeting Russian energy infrastructure is a legitimate military strategy, and Ukrainian officials maintained that these attacks adhere to NATO standards.
I don’t pretend to know what “NATO standards” are, but certainly Russia’s energy infrastructure has a direct contribution to the war and is a legitimate target. Also, Russia has been striking at Ukraine’s infrastructure since the beginning of the war. There is no valid basis for a double standard here.
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Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:11 am to TBoy
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I don’t pretend to know what “NATO standards” are,
Not to use weapons provided by NATO nations to strike actual Russian soil.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:32 am to StormyMcMan
The ISW makes this sound very authoritarian when in fact, it differs little from USG policy and action...
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The Kremlin appears to have succeeded in pressuring Telegram to further censor extremist content following the March 22 Crocus City Hall attack, highlighting the Kremlin’s ability to pressure significant actors within the Russian information space to act in its interests.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:43 am to cypher
quote:There has to be more to it than this. What did the White House think when they pushed almost total sanctions on Russian oil and refined products?
According to the Financial Times, the United States allegedly urged Ukraine to limit attacks on Russian energy infrastructure citing potential repercussions on global oil prices.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:59 am to Coeur du Tigre
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What did the White House think when they pushed almost total sanctions on Russian oil and refined products?
Not only that but you would think the calculus would be that whatever impact damage to Russian energy infrastructure would have on the global market has already been to a large degree accounted for in the sanctions.
I think this is nothing more the the administrations instinct for virtue signaling and an indirect expression for their concern of this conflict escalating... Which as you have already pointed out, Russia has been attacking Ukraines infrastructure for sometime so I have not problem with Ukraines current level of engagement
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:09 am to klrstix
It really does baffle me. They don't want escalation, but give them the tools needed to escalate. Would love to know what the real thinking is on their behalf
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:12 am to Coeur du Tigre
It’s almost like the White House knew Ukraine attacking oil refineries would cause some sort of pushback that wouldn’t be a favorable outcome for Ukraine’s chances in this conflict.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:17 am to cypher
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We used our drones. Nobody can say to us you can’t," Zelensky said, emphasizing that Washington could not limit Ukraine's use of weapons of its own production.
He should have told Biden to go frick himself. What a damn worthless administration.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:20 am to ticklechain
I guess the thought process is that attacking Russia directly probably doesn’t help you that much in the short term when significant gains are being made even if you hit their oil production, and that striking Russian soil directly probably increases domestic support for the war when Ukraine and the US have been trying to destabilize them since the war started.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:40 am to Coeur du Tigre
The reason for the White House’s position on protection the Russian energy sector can’t be based on global production restraints. Outside of Russia and Ukraine, every well, refinery and logistics system would be unaffected by even the complete destruction of Russian refining capacity. Prices have already adjusted to the effect of the sanctions, so at this point are almost baked in. With gas prices, they are already below pre-war levels. So worries over the effect of US energy prices on the election can’t be that profound.
Ok, putting on my aluminum foil hat, who outside of Russia has so much invested in Russian energy and is also able to influence the White House to this degree?
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Ok, putting on my aluminum foil hat, who outside of Russia has so much invested in Russian energy and is also able to influence the White House to this degree?
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Posted on 3/30/24 at 10:22 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 3/30/24 at 10:30 am to ColtRange
Why should anyone believe Russia? They historically have invaded their neighbors.
Maybe not this year, or this decade, but they eventually move when they see an opportunity. Ask Poland, Finland, Afghanistan or Georgia.
Maybe not this year, or this decade, but they eventually move when they see an opportunity. Ask Poland, Finland, Afghanistan or Georgia.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 11:11 am
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:00 am to ColtRange
It's obvious that Orban is owned by the Kremlin. Hungary is completely dependent on Russian oil and natural gas. It even cancelled pipeline projects to connect it with the Adriatic Sea.
Everyone who has half a functioning brain laughs at Orban.
Everyone who has half a functioning brain laughs at Orban.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:01 am to ColtRange
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:12 am to StormyMcMan
MIC is something the far left has cried about for decades. Recently it's the far right. Obama all but took out the MIC while in office.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:16 am to StormyMcMan
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Yeah Putin never lies about war plans
But Putin:
A)had to root out the Nazis.
B) had to uncover the secret Biolabs
C) react to NATO aggression.
D) expose CIA secret bases in Ukraine
E) take action to thwart the Globalists.
But I believe Flip Wilson said it best, the Devil made him do it.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 11:36 am
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:32 am to ColtRange
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ColtRange
Oh wow, I guess they lost. Again. If I go back through your history, am I going to see anything about all the Russian Black Sea fleet ships getting sunk?
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:35 am to EMAW2000
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Be sure to keep upvoting those ISW updates. The companies that finance it gain nothing from war.
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FWIW this is from your link
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Responsible Statecraft is the online magazine of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft
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The practical and moral failures of U.S. efforts to unilaterally shape the destiny of other nations by force requires a fundamental rethinking of U.S. foreign policy assumptions. So does the emergence of a multi-polar world in the 21st century where economic power is more evenly shared across nations. Yet the influence of the “military industrial complex” that President Eisenhower warned of has led to a situation where the foreign policy debate within Washington is intentionally constrained and fails to incorporate the diversity of views needed for that rethinking.
The Quincy Institute aims to lead this reconceptualization, and to do so in a way that serves both vital American interests and the broader shared interest in creating a more just and peaceful world. We believe that a foreign policy that emphasizes military restraint and diplomatic engagement and cooperation with other nations will serve American interests and values better than policies that prioritize the maintenance of U.S. global dominance through force
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:38 am to ColtRange
Funny, I seem to remember Vlad the Invader flapping his gums about not planning to invade Ukraine about 26 months ago.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 12:22 pm to doubleb
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