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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/2/24 at 1:22 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 1:22 pm to
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I think you need to spend some time listening to Col Douglas MacGregor


You have to understand MacGregor is a neo-Russophile and actually has developed a hate for the US, one might say rightfully so given his personal situation. He wanted to change the US military significantly ultimately including getting rid of the Marines and XVIII Airborne Corps. The Army said we no longer need your services and he is bitter.
Posted by Hateradedrink
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 1:24 pm to
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I think you need to spend some time listening to Col Douglas MacGregor


Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 2:02 pm to
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Yet another Su-34 bit the dust today. Their air crews have to be absolutely shaken right now. People don’t account for the mental part of war. These pilots have seen many of their friends heave and not make it BTB. That weighs on a man’s mind that he feels like he’s shutting his own coffin when he climbs in the cockpit.



It would be more accurate to say that Ukraine's MoD claims to have downed another Su-34 today. As yet, there's no evidence for the Ukrainian MoD's claim of shooting it down.

I think that they've claimed 13 aircraft shot down in the last two weeks, and there's only evidence for 5.

Information warfare is part of the game, so I don't get too bothered by the claims, but they aren't realistic.

Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 2:05 pm to
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You have to understand MacGregor is a neo-Russophile and actually has developed a hate for the US, one might say rightfully so given his personal situation. He wanted to change the US military significantly ultimately including getting rid of the Marines and XVIII Airborne Corps. The Army said we no longer need your services and he is bitter.


He had the reputation among NATO allies of knowing everything and no one else should have a say. His MO is almost always, "My German sources tell me..." or at least that was the case in all of 2022. I only go look at one of his more recent interviews when I want a good laugh.
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 2:07 pm
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 2:18 pm to
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there's only evidence for 5


What kind of evidence are you looking for?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 2:24 pm to
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The Ukrainians can’t hit them when they use their extend range JDAM analogues.


That must be the reason why 7-14 Su34s have sustained negative landings in the last two weeks.

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The Ukraine Air Force at this point is gone.


Are you really that stupid? The Ukrainian Air Force has more operational planes now and more advanced weapons than they did at the start of the war.

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units in contact aren’t getting air support.

That is because the Ukrainians are not dumb enough to send a multiple million dollar aircraft and a trained pilot into the front. Also it takes a lot of ground work to make a Soviet designed aircraft able to carry western weapons. The F16s which were designed for western weapons will solve that problem.

The Russians are not getting much air support either. The Russians may launch missiles and guided bombs from a distance but they are not providing close air support.

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And the Russians don’t need to worry about fighter aircraft.


That must be the reason why Russia is launching so many low level bombing raids behind the front lines. Oh wait, they are not doing that. The Russians are staying on their side of the front lines and launching long range attacks. That also must be the reason why the Russian fighters return to base carrying their bombs whenever the UAF sends up planes to intercept them. The Russian Air Force would rather launch long range attacks and hit civilians instead of risking a dog fight or air to air combat with the Ukrainians. Which is a shame for the Russians because if they were able to send aircraft in below radar range and launch their missiles they might actually hit significant targets. There are less than 10 rail bridges across the Dnieper River in Ukraine. Knocking out two or three of those would have a bigger effect on the war than the capture of Bakhmut and Avdiivka combined. Heck just disabling the two rail bridges in Zap city and Dnipro would make it impossible for the Ukrainians to keep their forces in the south supplied.
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 2:41 pm
Posted by RuLSU
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 2:56 pm to
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It would be more accurate to say that Ukraine's MoD claims to have downed another Su-34 today. As yet, there's no evidence for the Ukrainian MoD's claim of shooting it down.

I think that they've claimed 13 aircraft shot down in the last two weeks, and there's only evidence for 5.

Information warfare is part of the game, so I don't get too bothered by the claims, but they aren't realistic.

I think I've seen "sourced" 6-7, and chatter on telegraph that indicated it's 10+.

Russia has imprisoned or killed all "journalists" who dared to say what was true. Girkin and Murz were the most realistic, IMO, and they're both out of the game.

That said, there were plenty of "unproven reports" about Ukraine nailing Russian ships, and those were "propaganda" until they weren't.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 3:06 pm to
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Yet another Su-34 bit the dust today. Their air crews have to be absolutely shaken right now. People don’t account for the mental part of war. These pilots have seen many of their friends heave and not make it BTB. That weighs on a man’s mind that he feels like he’s shutting his own coffin when he climbs in the cockpit.


The US lost 53,000 aircraft in WW2, howd that work out?
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 3:14 pm to
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Put it this way. If Putin chooses to launch any nuke device into ANY nato country is the day he dies, as well as a shitload of innocent russian people. China is too dependent on the USA. North Korea is all talk. Iran knows better….


Oh boy the ole argument....if he kills me my daddy will kill him....uh you are still dead, while the schmucks that started this are in a remote safe bunker.

By the way, you guys do realize the last soviet nuke tested was 3500 times the size of Hiroshima, there wont be much left to defend if they start it.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 3:32 pm to
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It would be more accurate to say that Ukraine's MoD claims to have downed another Su-34 today. As yet, there's no evidence for the Ukrainian MoD's claim of shooting it down.

I think that they've claimed 13 aircraft shot down in the last two weeks, and there's only evidence for 5.

Information warfare is part of the game, so I don't get too bothered by the claims, but they aren't realistic.

I think I've seen "sourced" 6-7, and chatter on telegraph that indicated it's 10+.


There is visual evidence of at least 7 Su34s in the last 2 weeks. The UAF is claiming 14 though. That is why in my earlier post I said 7-14 Su37s in the last 2 weeks because evidence might show up later to verify the claims of the unferified ones. However, the 3 Su34s in a day and 2 in less than hour claims are definitely suspect and likely BS.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 3:38 pm to
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By the way, you guys do realize the last soviet nuke tested was 3500 times the size of Hiroshima, there wont be much left to defend if they start it.


Russia's problem is the last nuke treaty which had them get rid of solid fueled ballistic missiles so today 40% of them are liquid hydrogen fueled. That requires fairly constant rechilling of the liquid hydrogen which Russia performs at a central location. The same hold true for the solid rocket fuel which degrades over time. Every 6 months to a year this has to be changed. This is also done at a central location.

Now for the real kicker, Russian nukes are armed as they sit unlike the US nukes which are armed the nanosecond they leave the launch. As a result, any issues with the fuel, some of their missiles would detonate at launch, others not make it out of Russia's own territory. As armed that means nuke explosions at launch or inside of Russia.

Thus, the fear factor among girly men and females.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 3:58 pm to
I worked with a fella stationed at one of our silo sites and trained with them from across the US, you obviously dont know much about our readiness.

He said in a nationwide readiness training exercise, half never met the deadline to launch (much less if they have any functionality) due to the fact the personnel were well, girly men, female, and other things.

I guess you never saw the overpowering success of our military in, Afghanistan quite awe inspiring.

But you keep telling yourself they wont do anything, they cant do anything, they are incapable of launching. Thats the spirit.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 4:08 pm to
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think I've seen "sourced" 6-7, and chatter on telegraph that indicated it's 10+.

Russia has imprisoned or killed all "journalists" who dared to say what was true. Girkin and Murz were the most realistic, IMO, and they're both out of the game.


Fighterbomber still posts "eternal flight, brother" every week.

By evidence, I mean video or confirmation from Russian sources.

If others have seen evidence of 7, then I will accept that number. I try to watch sources carefully, and I have only seen 5.

EDIT: There was some supposed footage of yesterday's reported takedown, but it turned out to be old and fake.
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 5:47 pm
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19963 posts
Posted on 3/2/24 at 4:10 pm to
I honestly dont understand what some of you think the end game here is, what is it?

Russia is not going to relinquish any of the sovereign territory they have taken back from Ukraine. The people in that area believe they are Russian (thats why Zelensky kept killing them), Russia thinks they are Russian, so it really doesnt matter what some peace accord or think tank believes.

So what is the end game then. Continue to supply Ukraine in ever decreasing amounts until they have wasted the lives of every able bodied man in the country? Make certain the majority of the country is rubble. And then what, they are far far worse off than they are now.

Or engage Russia directly. You think they would let western countries invade them and fight conventionally? Are you kidding me.

The only answer is to bring them to the table and everything stops where it is.

I would then have a forensics audit of all the money given to that corrupt shathole and jail everyone responsible.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 4:38 pm to
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So what is the end game then


To make this as painful and difficult for Russia as realistically possible without resulting in direct engagement. This is to discourage further aggression.

It would be cool if Ukraine actually met some definition of “victory”, but the primary goal is to hurt Russia economically and help more Russians die so that next time they want to do something like this, they think “maybe this ain’t a great idea”.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45551 posts
Posted on 3/2/24 at 4:48 pm to
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I honestly dont understand what some of you think the end game here is, what is it?



To fulfill our promise to assist Ukraine until Ukraine wins or Ukraine decides for itself that they have had enough and are ready to make peace.

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The only answer is to bring them to the table and everything stops where it is.



Russia won't come to the table. Ukraine offered multiple times last year to negotiate based on the current conditions Russia countered by saying they would only negotiate if Ukraine demobilized its military, Zelensky and the Ukrainian PM resigned, Russia got to pick the new PM who would serve as interim President until new elections could be held, and Belarus and only Belarus could oversee the Ukrainian elections. So basically Ukraine was and probably still is semi willing to negotiate but Russia is not unless Ukraine completely surrends.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45551 posts
Posted on 3/2/24 at 4:53 pm to
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Darth_Vader


You never answered my questions from a few pages back. How does one protect western MBTs like the M1A1 and Leopard 2 from FPDs? Their turrets are much larger targets than the hulls of Soviet/Russian tanks and the armor on top of the ammo bustle is thin. Do you think western APS like the Trophy system can protect them? All tanks but especially western tanks are sitting ducks for drones until someone figures that answer out.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 5:09 pm to

LINK

I do not know if this real or not and I hope it is not real because it is a very very bad idea.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 5:36 pm to
that looks like some shite someone on /pol/ would make and try to run viral

Everything in that blue box reads like a meme
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 3/2/24 at 6:23 pm to
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I worked with a fella stationed at one of our silo sites and trained with them from across the US, you obviously dont know much about our readiness.


Our warheads aren't armed until after launch. Russia's are armed as they sit. Armed warheads go boom when rocket goes boom or fizzle where they sit
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