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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/27/24 at 8:53 am to VolSquatch
Posted on 2/27/24 at 8:53 am to VolSquatch
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The whole war (which Ukraine is supposedly winning according to some here) hinges on one aid package?
Link?
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 9:01 am to cypher
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Poland FM Says US House Speaker to Blame if Ukraine Fails
I remember 4 years ago when Poland was based.
They were completely cowed by COVID. Now they have dominant liberal government and populism is on the run. Very sad.
Have changed my retirement plans from Lódz to Buenos Aires. Hoping to change it back before the rubber meets the road.
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 9:04 am
Posted on 2/27/24 at 9:42 am to SirWinston
If you look at an election map, the social rot in Poland follows the old German border. It makes me wonder, is it lingering German cultural influence? Germany is a pretty screwed up place these days, the allied occupation seriously damaged the culture. These regions are also full of transplants though, the Germans were ethnically cleansed after the war, and the transplants have shallow roots, and weak social institutions, which would make them more vulnerable to social decay.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 9:53 am to VolSquatch
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If we won't put boots on the ground NOW, when they are actively being invaded, whats the point of getting them in NATO at all. We can help them now, but we aren't because the paperwork isn't done?
If they aren't worth helping before the ink is dry then they aren't worth helping after. Or worth being a piece of ground that gets us into a global conflict because of Article 5.
Interesting perspective.
Taiwan trades with the US/EU because of US security guarantees. An awful lot of the world remains on good behavior because the United States underwrites the global status quo.
That goes away and an awful lot of international trade relations, trade law, and the advantages accrued therein go away, too.
Either the US can be counted on to stand by its word, and defend the countries it pledges to protect, or they can't/won't.
Can Ukraine "win" this conflict? Unlikely, IMO. Can Russia lose this conflict? In many ways, they already have, and as time goes on, I think things get worse for Russia, not better.
But Ukraine needs an awful lot of 155mm shells and we ought to be the ones to give it to them.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:01 am to No Colors
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Putin is a bully who pushes until someone pushes back
Then let Western Europe push back. They have a vast economic, population, military, manufacturing and technological advantage over Russia. If they're worried about Vlad, I guess they should pay the freight to take care of that regional conflict. Whether Ukraine falls or survives doesn't affect the USA one iota.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:12 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Whether Great Britain falls or survives doesn't affect the USA one iota.
What people like you said in 1940.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:15 am to SoFla Tideroller
That's a very simplistic, short-sighted, isolationist and selfish way to look at the world. It is so much more complicated than that.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:16 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:18 am to LeClerc
Ukrainian forces shot down the second Russian Su-34 attack plane in a single day on Feb. 27, the Air Force reported.
Air Force Commander Mykola Oleshchuk initially reported one Su-34 shot down in the eastern sector earlier today.
According to the Air Force, the second plane was downed at around 2 p.m. local time in the same sector as the previous one.
The Kyiv Independent
Air Force Commander Mykola Oleshchuk initially reported one Su-34 shot down in the eastern sector earlier today.
According to the Air Force, the second plane was downed at around 2 p.m. local time in the same sector as the previous one.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:18 am to RuLSU
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Because they broke into the capital and attacked police officers.
You're nuts if you think this makes up even a fraction of the political prisoners
Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:20 am to GOP_Tiger
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Wait ... are you talking about the administration that had John Bolton as National Security Advisor? Rex Tillerson and Mike Pompeo as Secretary of State? Are some idiots here really pretending that the Trump Administration was isolationist?
So I can't even understand what idiots are calling America first if the America first administration isn't America first.
Can you be a serious person about a single topic in a single thread on this entire website?
Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:26 am to Turbeauxdog
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So I can't even understand what idiots are calling America first if the America first administration isn't America first.
People are now using "America First!" as a cry to withdraw from NATO and end embrace isolationism. The Trump administration was not fundamentally different from the administrations that preceded and followed it in terms of foreign policy.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:37 am to GOP_Tiger
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People
Great generalization.
I'll leave you and the other clowns to your clown thread.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:44 am to Turbeauxdog
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people
good point, he should have specified “retards”
Posted on 2/27/24 at 11:05 am to LeClerc
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It is so much more complicated than that.
Y'all say this, and there is a decent argument you're right, but you can't clarify without relying on cheap hypotheticals
Posted on 2/27/24 at 11:05 am to RuLSU
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In exchange for their nuclear weapons, the US promised security for Ukraine.
If we don’t provide said security, yes, we’re a bad partner that cannot be fully trusted.
Ukraine should have kept some of their nukes rather than trust America. Of course, we were very concerned at the time that some might find their way into terrorist hands (for the right price).
Posted on 2/27/24 at 11:06 am to GOP_Tiger
People who think Putin is anything like Hitler are beyond saving and comprehension 
Posted on 2/27/24 at 11:09 am to VolSquatch
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People who think Putin is anything like Hitler are beyond saving and comprehension
Putin identifies as the new Peter The Great.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 11:14 am to RuLSU
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Taiwan trades with the US/EU because of US security guarantees. An awful lot of the world remains on good behavior because the United States underwrites the global status quo.
And if we don't find them worth putting boots on the ground for, then what good are those guarantees?
I want someone to tell me a good reason we should send troops to Ukraine. Because those of you parroting "security guarantees" are essentially saying that if it comes down to our troops being necessary to stop Russia from marching into Kiev then that is what we have to do. Not should do, HAVE to do.
Obama even knew that Russia would always have an escalation advantage with Ukraine and that its just not strategically important. This is existential to Russia, and its just not to us. You can't pick fights with people who are willing to go further than you are in a conflict.
The calculus is a lot differnt for Taiwan. Still probably slanted in China's favor vs the US there, but not nearly as lopsided as the Ukraine issue is between us and Russia.
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Either the US can be counted on to stand by its word, and defend the countries it pledges to protect, or they can't/won't.
You're advocating for boots on the ground. You won't ever post that you are, and you'll likely deny it. But thats basically what you're saying here, and its crazy.
Posted on 2/27/24 at 11:15 am to Auburn1968
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Of course, we were very concerned at the time that some might find their way into terrorist hands (for the right price).
Lets circle back and see where some of the weapons we are sending now end up in 10 years.
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