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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/26/24 at 5:08 am to
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17329 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 5:08 am to
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The US government was against any sort of peace deals because peace eliminated any chance for the Fedgov to launder money.


If the gvt launders money it's in places like the Bahamas (where that bitcoin guy Sam Bankman Fried did it) or the Seychelles islands. You don't do it in Ukraine where every bank is filled with Russian spies. It would be like a drug dealear selling his heroin the police officers parking lot.

And this has to be said again for the 500th time, 90% of the money appropriated to Ukraine stays in the USA. It is spent of making new stuff to replace the old worn out shite we are sending them.

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Here is the best-kept secret about U.S. military aid to Ukraine: Most of the money is being spent here in the United States. That’s right: Funds that lawmakers approve to arm Ukraine are not going directly to Ukraine but are being used stateside to build new weapons or to replace weapons sent to Kyiv from U.S. stockpiles. Of the $68 billion in military and related assistance Congress has approved since Russia invaded Ukraine, almost 90 percent is going to Americans, one analysis found.

But you wouldn’t know that from the actions of some U.S. lawmakers. When Ohio Sen. J.D. Vance (R) joined a United Auto Workers picket line in October at the Jeep assembly plant in Toledo, he said he wanted to “show some support for the UAW workers” in his state. Yet he has not shown the same solidarity with the UAW workers in Lima, Ohio, who are churning out Abrams tanks and Stryker combat vehicles for Ukraine thanks to the military aid that Congress has approved. Vance opposes Ukraine aid, as does Rep. Jim Jordan (R), whose House district includes Lima.

Ohio voters might have expected their elected leaders to be pushing the (reluctant) Biden administration to give Ukraine more Lima-produced tanks and vehicles — or to require that more of them be included in the aid package for Ukraine that Congress will soon take up. Instead, Vance and Jordan are fighting to stop Ukraine from receiving any more union-made tanks and combat vehicles from America’s only tank factory.

It’s not just them. In all, 31 senators and House members whose states or districts benefit from funding for Ukraine have voted to oppose or restrict that aid. They include some of the most prominent anti-Ukraine voices in Congress, such as Republican Sens. Josh Hawley (Mo.), Tommy Tuberville (Ala.) and Mike Braun (Ind.), as well as Republican Reps. Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Bill Posey (Fla.), Anna Paulina Luna (Fla.) and Lance Gooden (Tex.).

At a time when both major parties are competing to win working-class votes and strengthen the U.S. manufacturing base, our military aid to Ukraine does exactly that — it is providing a major cash infusion into factories across the country that directly benefits American workers. It is also creating jobs and opportunities for local suppliers, shops, restaurants and other businesses that support the factories rolling out weapons.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 5:53 am
Posted by salty1
Member since Jun 2015
5177 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 5:20 am to
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17329 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 5:54 am to
Well since you decided to repost so will I.

If a country, any country, I don't care if it's Ukraine, Syria, Australia, Nigeria or freaking Equatorial Guinea, if in any country a new spy chief comes in and makes his first calls to the USA and UK people in his field, I would think that is a very GOOD thing and not something to complain about.

Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4689 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 6:31 am to
Random tweets

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Russian troops are now storming Tonenke. The momentum after the fall of Avdivka has not stopped and the Russian army is taking advantage of the Ukrainian withdrawal to seize control of the towns to the west until it reaches the Ukrainian defence line. The situation of the Ukrainian army is worrying, as it is losing personnel at the cost of holding on to frontline positions for a short time before being forced to abandon them. The smart thing to do would be to withdraw to the defence line between Karlivske Reservoir and Ocheretyne and from there shell the attacking Russian forces, which would advance slowly through the abandoned area under Ukrainian artillery and drone fire. This technique was used by the Russian army during the successful Ukrainian offensive in Kharkov. Outnumbered and outgunned, Russian troops withdrew beyond the Oskil River to build a new line of defence around the Svatove heights. Ukrainian troops seized a large area on this bank of the river. However, they were unable to advance any further.
The reasons for this decision may possibly lie in the frictions in the Ukrainian manod after Zaluznhy's dismissal and the Ukrainian government's need to avoid territorial losses as a bargaining chip for new aid packages.

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In 2024, russia plans to produce 2.7 million shells.

This was reported by Vadym Skibitskyi, a representative of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications of Ukraine.

He noted that last year the Russians produced about 2 million 122 mm and 152 mm projectiles. In February 2024, the Russians planned to launch 130 missiles of the Iskander, Caliber, Kh-101, Kh-32, and Dagger class.

The russians have already received 1.5 million 122 mm and 152 mm shells from North Korea. These are ammunition 70-80 years old, half of them do not work.

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The Armed Forces of Ukraine made a withdrawal from the village of Lastochkyne.

This was reported by the spokesman of the "Tavria" OSG, Dmytro Lykhovii.

The units went out to organize defense along the lines of the settlements of Orlivka, Tonenke and Berdychi, in order to prevent the advance of Russian troops in the western direction.

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Polish carriers plan to join farmers' protests on the border with Ukraine from March 1

According to RMF journalists, they plan to block border crossings in Hrebenne, Dorohusk and Korczowa, and possibly in Medyka.

Polish trucking companies complain that Ukrainians are allegedly pushing them out of the market.

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Navalny was to be exchanged shortly before his murder

The information was confirmed by his associate Maria Pevchikh.

Maria Pevchikh said that the "humanitarian exchange" of political prisoners from Russia (who are not exchanged by foreign countries in the standard situation) for "Russian spies" began to be prepared two years ago. According to her, all this time the politician's associates have been communicating with German and American officials, businessmen and politicians - the exchange could have taken place a year ago.

She also confirmed that Navalny wanted to be exchanged for Russian Vadim Krasikov, who is convicted in Germany for the murder of field commander Zelimkhan Khangoshvili. Putin himself mentioned Khangoshvili during an interview with Tucker Carlson. According to Pevchikh, Roman Abromovich told Putin about the possible exchange.

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All countries in northern Europe bordering Russia are now reporting widespread jamming that could pose a risk to both shipping and aviation.

In the far north, Norwegian Communication Authority says it has received about disturbances to the GPS navigation 44 days in 2024. That is practically every day.

“So far this year until February 22nd it is registered disturbances in 44 days in the airspace over Finnmark,” says senior engineer Nicolai Gerrard, to Dagens Næringsliv.

According to the Norwegian Communication Authority, the reports started to spike as Moscow launched its full-scale war on Ukraine.

There were 122 days with GPS jamming that hit Norway’s northeast corner in 2022 and 294 days in 2023. In 2021, before Putin ordered tens of thousands of troops to attack Ukraine, GPS jamming in the airspace over Finnmark were reported 18 days.

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Today in Paris, French President Emmanuel Macron is gathering about 20 European leaders for an urgent meeting, — Reuters.

It is noted that the purpose of the meeting is a public message to putin, which should counter the kremlin's narrative that russia will definitely win the war in Ukraine, which has been going on for the third year.

In particular, they will discuss the purchase of hundreds of thousands of ammunition from third countries, which was previously blocked by France.

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Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5716 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 6:36 am to
Biden meets with Speaker Johnson on Tuesday to discuss aid to Ukraine

U.S. President Joe Biden will meet with four congressional leaders on Tuesday to discuss, among other things, assistance to Ukraine.

According to Ukrinform, citing The Hill, Biden intends to emphasize "the urgency of passing the bipartisan national security supplemental and keeping the government open".

Attendees will include Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.), Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.).
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5716 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 6:44 am to
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At a time when both major parties are competing to win working-class votes and strengthen the U.S. manufacturing base, our military aid to Ukraine does exactly that — it is providing a major cash infusion into factories across the country that directly benefits American workers. It is also creating jobs and opportunities for local suppliers, shops, restaurants and other businesses that support the factories rolling out weapons.


There are some who are rooting against a strong economy heading into the election.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5716 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 6:47 am to
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Ukraine aid is unpopular outside of DC. It's about #50 for the average American.



The de facto speaker of the house should allow Mike Johnson to put it to a vote.
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7930 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 6:54 am to
Americans are 2 to 1 against additional aid to Ukraine, until the border is dealt with. Unfortunately, our politicians are 2 to 1 in favor of more aid to Ukraine.

Our politicians aren't listening to their constituents. Shocker, I know.
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7930 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 6:56 am to
Insanity: Fighting a war of attrition against an enemy that has at least 10x the combat manpower.

The replacement of Zaluzhny by Syrsky signals Zelensky’s intent to push ahead with the suicidal war of attrition and fight for every inch of land despite the cost in lives.

The Ukrainians have lost the last 2 significant siege battles (Bakhmut and Avdiivka), wasting troops that they cannot replace.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16084 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 7:02 am to
The funniest part of this post is what the nutters ignore, that the offices were empty, and documents burned, along with wiped computers filled with Russian malware.

Of course, they are going to seek assistance from other than Russia.

Useful idiots to the last politard.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42746 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 7:08 am to
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I wish some of you would be as upset about our southern border being invaded.


It’s not an either or. I’m upset about Biden and his administration handling the border and I support Ukraine aid.

It’s not hard to do both.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 7:12 am to
They haven’t done a census in a long time, but they had an emigration problem before the war, and the prewar population may have been substantially smaller than we thought it was. That, coupled with the death toll, and the millions of young men who’ve left the country to escape the war, does pose a demographic problem. Post war Ukraine will also be a basket case, and so moving back may not be immediately attractive to these men.

The states of the Soviet Union suffered horrendous losses in WW2, which distorted society for decades. Post war birth rates were relatively high though, current rates are much lower, and it seems unlikely that Ukraine will experience a baby boom. That makes the consequence potentially much worse.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 8:37 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42746 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 7:15 am to
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The funniest part of this post is what the nutters ignore, that the offices were empty, and documents burned, along with wiped computers filled with Russian malware.


And the Russian stooge had already been run out of Dodge.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16084 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 7:35 am to
Both Russia and Ukraine have had emmigration since the collapse of the USSR. Ukraine has had problems with Russian run corruption causing much of its emmigration. Both have had low birthrates though Ukraine a lower abortion rate. Both have had vodka dick issues for at least two decades.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 8:03 am to
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Today in Paris, French President Emmanuel Macron is gathering about 20 European leaders for an urgent meeting, — Reuters.

It is noted that the purpose of the meeting is a public message to putin, which should counter the kremlin's narrative that russia will definitely win the war in Ukraine, which has been going on for the third year.


That will show Putin. LOL. These aren't serious people. They don't live in reality.

Too little. Too late.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 8:46 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 8:27 am to
I would assume that Nalyvaichenko is paid asset. He was in DC at the embassy in the early 2000s, and he headed the SBU under Yushchenko. We would have picked him up somewhere between those two points.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 8:35 am
Posted by salty1
Member since Jun 2015
5177 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 8:29 am to
The whole point is that we destabilized Ukraine, for very selfish reasons, and caused all the pain and suffering experienced by everyone involved. Meanwhile, US politicians continue to get wealthier and more powerful. I, personally, witnessed the destabilization and eventual conversion to puppet states of multiple nations over the years. It never ends well for the citizens of said countries. It always enriched our politicians, however. Ukraine is no different. Those of you that swallow the MSM propaganda hook, line, and sinker will never wake up, so I’ll save my breath.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 8:42 am to
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Both Russia and Ukraine have had emmigration since the collapse of the USSR. Ukraine has had problems with Russian run corruption causing much of its emmigration. Both have had low birthrates though Ukraine a lower abortion rate. Both have had vodka dick issues for at least two decades.


Russia hasn’t experienced the same high level of losses, both as an overall total, and as a percentage of society. The war won’t seriously damage Russia’s demographics, but it’s a legitimate issue for Ukraine.

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Ukraine has had problems with Russian run corruption causing much of its emmigration


Ukraine’s problems are internal. They’ve been run by gangsters and kleptocrats since independence. Where Putin, to his credit, stepped on the oligarchs and brought some order to Russia, nothing similar happened in Ukraine. Ukraine is to some degree Russia where the 90s never ended.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 8:52 am
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 8:42 am to
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If a country, any country, I don't care if it's Ukraine, Syria, Australia, Nigeria or freaking Equatorial Guinea, if in any country a new spy chief comes in and makes his first calls to the USA and UK people in his field, I would think that is a very GOOD thing and not something to complain about.

The PT has become a different world. They're as much "America Bad" skyscreamers are your average blue-haired ANTIFA type.

Horseshoe theory in action, I guess.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38221 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 8:45 am to
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The whole point is that we destabilized Ukraine, for very selfish reasons, and caused all the pain and suffering experienced by everyone involved. Meanwhile, US politicians continue to get wealthier and more powerful. I, personally, witnessed the destabilization and eventual conversion to puppet states of multiple nations over the years. It never ends well for the citizens of said countries. It always enriched our politicians, however. Ukraine is no different. Those of you that swallow the MSM propaganda hook, line, and sinker will never wake up, so I’ll save my breath.


Russia has been destabilizing Ukraine for the last 100 plus years. You and your woke right friends never have much to say about Russia trying to assassinate ukraines president 15 years ago because it doesn’t fit your woke right narrative.

Fact is, every country in Russia’s orbit is a shithole. Countries like Ukraine and Finland are gravitating to NATO because they don’t want to end up like Russian proxy states like Belarus or Moldova where the quality of life is akin to Mozambique.

Did I mention that Russia is allied with Iran? That is what you support. The eastern axis.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 8:49 am
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