re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Face it, there is a large faction of people here that believe Ukraine should surrender and capitulate to the Russians.

Thank God in the 1770s patriots fought the British even though they were severely outnumbered and beaten up.

Thank God Churchill fought Hitler and didn’t take the advice of Chamberlain and others to sue for peace after France fell.

The way I see it Ukraine is sacrificing to stay free of Russian domination. I think we should continue to help them as long as they are fighting.

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Face it, there is a large faction of people here that believe Ukraine should surrender and capitulate to the Russians.

Thank God in the 1770s patriots fought the British even though they were severely outnumbered and beaten up.

Thank God Churchill fought Hitler and didn’t take the advice of Chamberlain and others to sue for peace after France fell.

The way I see it Ukraine is sacrificing to stay free of Russian domination. I think we should continue to help them as long as they are fighting.

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LOL…what the frick do you know about war? What have you “sacrificed for your country”? My guess is next to nothing. I love this fricking country. I hate our fricking government. I fought on three continents, not for my country, but because my government ordered me to. Most folks with my background feel the same. frick Ukraine, frick Russia, frick Israel, frick the whole goddamn Middle East, frick Africa, frick Europe, frick…you should volunteer and go get some since you’re obviously so patriotic.

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Thank God in the 1770s patriots fought the British even though they were severely outnumbered and beaten up.

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I had family who died in the revolution.

The problem here is resources, the Ukrainians can’t outlast the Russians. They’ll run out of everything they need to sustain the war before the Russians do. And so then it’s a question of the post war settlement, and trying to minimize their losses, and Ukraines only leverage here is time and expense, they can make a Russian victory cheaper, in exchange for losing less territory to the Russians.

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The vast majority of Ukraine wanted to get out of the grasp of Russian corruption.

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Russia wasn’t stealing from Ukraine. Poroshenko, Ahkmetov, Kolomoyskyi, and the rest are Ukrainians.

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They even willingly demonstrated while Russian snipers were killing demonstrators.

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The fire came from the wrong direction. They weren’t with the government forces.

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Maidan was about their Russian asset president who went against the legislature and public for not applying to membership in the EU

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It would have hurt Ukraine in the short to medium term. Russia was their primary trade partner, and EU imports would have forced a lot of domestic industry under. They wouldn’t have been competitive.

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France was a heavyweight, and could play the kind of decisive role that we cannot, due to industrial weakness, in Ukraine.

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The US, Canada, UK, and EU have combined industrial output that is 15x greater than Russia's. And when it comes to advanced military technology (thermal sights, guidance chips, stealth, lasers, visual recognition systems, etc) Russia has exactly ZERO (0) ziltch, production.

Russia cannot produce a modern main battle tank for crying out loud. They cannot produce and field a 5th generation fighter plane. They cannot even produce the hardened steel for their own artillery barrels. They have never in their history fielded a functioning aircraft carrier.

This idea that Russia is some sort of industrial juggernaut is just.....wrong.

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Oh.. let me answer that.. If they were behind it, a phone call would not be necessary.. Oh snap! there goes your conspiracy..

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this has been verified fact for years

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Those of you that swallow the MSM propaganda hook, line, and sinker

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Uses excerpt from the most MSM of all, NYT.

Probably loves Col. MacGregor who wrote in Time.com that the USMC was as useful as horse cavalry in the 1930's. Likely thinks that Tucker's $100 worth of groceries is affordable to the vast majority of Russians who make between $200 to $300 per month.

Gets talking points by following far leftists.

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this has been verified fact for years

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Really? Just because you keep saying the CIA orchestrated the entire revolution doesn’t make it so.

some important excerpts from the NYT article republished by The Kyiv Post

The New York Times published an investigative report on Sunday quoting anonymous sources from among the intelligence communities in the US, Europe and Ukraine who say that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has helped Ukraine to establish 12 secret spy bases throughout the country.

According to the report, the CIA and other US intelligence services track the movements of Russian troops, gather intelligence for missile strikes, and maintain spy networks with the help of these bases.

For almost 10 years the US has been helping Kyiv to train a “new generation of Ukrainian spies” who are operating globally against Russia.

Thanks to this network of bases, Kyiv has become one of Washington’s most important intelligence partners. It has proved so successful that prior to the war they were producing more intelligence than US intelligence staff in Ukraine were able to process and today are intercepting more Russian communications than the CIA’s own base in Russia, the NYT notes.

The network of CIA bases in Ukraine began to be established eight years ago. The news site says they were assembled “piece by piece” under US presidents Barack Obama, Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

At first, US intelligence was reluctant to work with Kyiv because it feared that many former Soviet Ukrainian intelligence officials might be compromised and would pass information to Russia or that the CIA interaction with them might provoke Moscow.

However, that all changed in 2015, when Gen. Valery Kondratyuk, who was then head of Ukraine’s Military Intelligence Directorate (HUR), handed over a stack of top-secret files to the CIA representative in the US embassy without warning. After this, the NYT wrote, Ukrainian intelligence regularly provided Americans with classified information to “create conditions of trust.”

The NYT claims that the Ukrainians proved themselves to the Americans by collecting intercepted data that helped prove Russian involvement in the downing of the Malaysia Airlines jetliner in 2014. Ukrainians also helped Americans prosecute the Russian agents who interfered in the 2016 US presidential election.

It was because of this newfound trust that the CIA began training an elite Ukrainian special forces unit known as Unit 2245, which captured Russian drones and communications equipment so that CIA technicians could reverse-engineer them and crack Moscow’s encryption systems. One of the officers in this unit was the current HUR chief Kyrylo Budanov.

As a result of the spy bases, the US embassy in Kyiv “became the best source of information, signals and everything else about Russia,” a former senior US official told the NYT.

According to the NYT, in the run-up to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, one of the heads of Russian intelligence services reported to Russian President Vladimir Putin that the CIA and MI6 control Kyiv and were turning the neighboring country “into a beachhead for operations against Moscow.”

Putin has frequently asserted that the overthrow of the pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych in 2014 was achieved with the support of the CIA.

But the NYT investigation dispelled that version, pointing rather to how “Putin and his advisers misread a critical dynamic.” According to the newspaper: “The CIA didn’t push its way into Ukraine. US officials were often reluctant to fully engage, fearing that Ukrainian officials could not be trusted, and worrying about provoking the Kremlin.”

The Kyiv Post