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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:22 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:22 pm to WestCoastAg
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seriously The US broke a treaty with Russia and people still don't think Putin has the right to fight back smh
It wasn’t a formal treaty. It was a verbal agreement between the GHWB administration and the USSR. By 1997, the USSR ceased to exist and there was a new POTUS. There was nothing binding about the agreement. However the Budapest Accords are binding and Putin violated that.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:32 pm to LSUPilot07
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They aren’t near finishing though. Even the 6 pilots that Ukraine has above everyone as far as being ready will be ready this summer at the earliest. You’ll start to see the 2nd group behind them of about 10 guys is in the UK. Then you have rest in Belgium or Romania. Ukraine is going to be flying just those 6 F-16 pilots for several months alone.
If those 6 F16 pilots are trained in SAM suppression then it will double the number wild weasel missions Ukraine can perform. That will allow Ukrainian helicopters to provide some air support to the front.
Which brings me to my next big problem with the US approach. The USMC retired hundreds of Super Cobras in 2020 and the UK, Denmark, and France have retired hundreds of lynx helicopters in the last few years. Why in the fudge haven’t we been training Ukrainian to use them? If we had started last year or even better in the summer of 2022 they would be flying and fighting in Ukraine now.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:39 pm to WeeWee
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways:
US Senate negotiators unveiled their proposed supplemental appropriations bill on February 4 that — if passed — would provide roughly $60 billion of security assistance for Ukraine, the overwhelming majority of which would go to American companies and US and allied militaries.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated on February 4 that Ukraine needs to replace a “series of state leaders” across the Ukrainian government who are “not just in a single sector” such as the Ukrainian military.
The Kremlin is intensifying rhetoric pushing for the hypothetical partition of Ukraine by seizing on innocuous and unrelated topics, likely in an attempt to normalize the partition narrative in Western discussions about Ukraine.
Delays in Western security assistance continue to exacerbate Ukraine’s shell shortage and undermine Ukraine’s ability to use high-value Western counterbattery systems.
The Kremlin may not allow Boris Nadezhdin, the only anti-war Russian presidential candidate, to run in the March 2024 presidential election due to Nadezhdin’s larger-than-anticipated popularity.
The Kremlin is reportedly nationalizing private enterprises in Russia quietly.
Russian forces made confirmed gains near Kupyansk, Kreminna, Avdiivka, and northeast of Bakhmut amid continued positional fighting along the entire frontline.
The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) may expand the list of courses available to women at the FSB Academy.
Russian occupation administrations continue efforts to indoctrinate Ukrainian children into Russian culture and nationalism through patronage networks with Russian federal subjects (regions).
Posted on 2/6/24 at 4:03 am to StormyMcMan
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Translation "We have a huge money dump coming and have to get rid of the honest fellas who keep trying to rat us out". I thought he cleaned out all the honest folks with the last two purges. Maybe even the ones left are sickened at all they have to kill to thief even more.
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krainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated on February 4 that Ukraine needs to replace a “series of state leaders” across the Ukrainian government who are “not just in a single sector” such as the Ukrainian military.
Translation "We have a huge money dump coming and have to get rid of the honest fellas who keep trying to rat us out". I thought he cleaned out all the honest folks with the last two purges. Maybe even the ones left are sickened at all they have to kill to thief even more.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:24 am to trinidadtiger
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 06 February 2024
On 1 February 2024, Ukraine's Main Directorate of Intelligence claimed it had sunk the TARANTUL-III-class IVANOVETS, a Russian missile corvette. Open-source video footage from different angles shows multiple uncrewed surface vehicles using swarming tactics to successfully strike the ship, resulting in a large explosion, almost certainly resulting in the ship sinking.
The IVANOVETS was patrolling Crimea's western coast in support of Russia's ongoing occupation of Ukraine. Its sophisticated 'Light Bulb' uplink allows it to send and receive targeting data to and from other ships, helicopters, and long-range patrol aircraft.
This latest Ukrainian success highlights the continuing vulnerability of Russian warships operating in the Black Sea. It will highly likely have an impact on the Black Sea Fleet's command and control elements, probably forcing them to re-evaluate their manoeuvrability near western Crimea. However, the Russian Navy is almost certainly still able to conduct its three main tasks in the Black Sea: long-range strike, patrol and support.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 06 February 2024
On 1 February 2024, Ukraine's Main Directorate of Intelligence claimed it had sunk the TARANTUL-III-class IVANOVETS, a Russian missile corvette. Open-source video footage from different angles shows multiple uncrewed surface vehicles using swarming tactics to successfully strike the ship, resulting in a large explosion, almost certainly resulting in the ship sinking.
The IVANOVETS was patrolling Crimea's western coast in support of Russia's ongoing occupation of Ukraine. Its sophisticated 'Light Bulb' uplink allows it to send and receive targeting data to and from other ships, helicopters, and long-range patrol aircraft.
This latest Ukrainian success highlights the continuing vulnerability of Russian warships operating in the Black Sea. It will highly likely have an impact on the Black Sea Fleet's command and control elements, probably forcing them to re-evaluate their manoeuvrability near western Crimea. However, the Russian Navy is almost certainly still able to conduct its three main tasks in the Black Sea: long-range strike, patrol and support.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:29 am to cypher
Russian media: Output of Russian oil refineries drop by 4% following drone attacks
by Elsa Court and The Kyiv Independent news desk February 6, 2024 2:44 PM
Russian oil refineries reduced refining operations by 4% in January 2024 compared to the same period the year before, partly due to "increased drone attacks," the Russian state-controlled media outlet Kommersant reported on Feb. 6, citing "sources familiar with industry statistics."
Multiple drone strikes have been reported on oil depots and refineries in Russia in January, including Bryansk, Oryol, and Leningrad oblasts, amid increasing claims of drones targeting Russian energy infrastructure.
According to Kommersant, an attack on an oil refinery in Tuapse in Krasnodar Krai on the night of Jan. 25 caused a 30% drop in output. Local residents reported seeing multiple drones flying over the region before and after the fire at the oil depot.
The attack contributed to the Russian energy company Rosneft reporting a 10% drop in oil refining compared to a year earlier, Kommersant said.
However, other refineries, such as those owned by Bashneft, a company controlled by Rosneft, increased refining output by 13%, Kommersant noted.
Bloomberg reported on Jan. 23 that Russian seaborne crude oil exports hit their lowest level in two months in the wake of an alleged attack on the Novatek gas plant near St. Petersburg overnight on Jan. 21.
Novatek is Russia's largest independent natural gas producer and exports oil products to international markets.
A fire also broke out at the Volgograd oil refinery overnight on Feb. 3. The local authorities claimed the fire started when a downed drone fell onto the site of the refinery.
Ukrainian authorities rarely comment on attacks on Russian soil.
by Elsa Court and The Kyiv Independent news desk February 6, 2024 2:44 PM
Russian oil refineries reduced refining operations by 4% in January 2024 compared to the same period the year before, partly due to "increased drone attacks," the Russian state-controlled media outlet Kommersant reported on Feb. 6, citing "sources familiar with industry statistics."
Multiple drone strikes have been reported on oil depots and refineries in Russia in January, including Bryansk, Oryol, and Leningrad oblasts, amid increasing claims of drones targeting Russian energy infrastructure.
According to Kommersant, an attack on an oil refinery in Tuapse in Krasnodar Krai on the night of Jan. 25 caused a 30% drop in output. Local residents reported seeing multiple drones flying over the region before and after the fire at the oil depot.
The attack contributed to the Russian energy company Rosneft reporting a 10% drop in oil refining compared to a year earlier, Kommersant said.
However, other refineries, such as those owned by Bashneft, a company controlled by Rosneft, increased refining output by 13%, Kommersant noted.
Bloomberg reported on Jan. 23 that Russian seaborne crude oil exports hit their lowest level in two months in the wake of an alleged attack on the Novatek gas plant near St. Petersburg overnight on Jan. 21.
Novatek is Russia's largest independent natural gas producer and exports oil products to international markets.
A fire also broke out at the Volgograd oil refinery overnight on Feb. 3. The local authorities claimed the fire started when a downed drone fell onto the site of the refinery.
Ukrainian authorities rarely comment on attacks on Russian soil.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:56 am to cypher
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Bloomberg reported on Jan. 23 that Russian seaborne crude oil exports hit their lowest level in two months in the wake of an alleged attack on the Novatek gas plant near St. Petersburg overnight on Jan. 21.
The Novatek "gas plant" is actually an NGL's fractionation plant. It receives condensate, which is rich in NGL's (ethane, propane, and butane) The plant is a similar process to an idle one I am putting together a proposal to buy. Condensate is also known as natural gasoline, and low in RON (octane) so needs to be isomerized into usable gasoline at around 88 RON. It may have a butamer unit which converts N butane into Isobutane. Isobutane is the feedstock for an alkylation unit with the alkylate being blended into gasoline. The condensate may also have diesel fractions in it. It may also have traces of ethane which is just blended with the propane.
Such plants are not so common in the US any longer, except at storage hubs for NGL's. Mont Belvieu is a major on in the US where Enterprise Products, Kinder Morgan and Oneok have larger plants at that salt dome storage. Pipelines from LA, NM and Texas ship what is called Y-Grade Ethane or even Y grade propane to central locations like this. These plants used to be smaller and scattered in LA, NM and Texas. This plant in Russia is much larger than the one I am looking at but smaller than those at Mont Belvieu.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:23 am to Auburn1968
It's not the flying, it's effectively employing the aircraft and its systems in concert with other aircraft.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:38 am to WeeWee
WeeWee I’ve been banging that same drum for what seems like years now about our Super Cobras just sitting around when they could be easily taught by Ukrainian helicopter pilots (the cream of the crop would be the guys that should fly them) to fly and have a counter to Russia’s Ka-52. Training would take months like any aircraft but it would be so worth it, especially when Russia tries it’s huge armor led attacks to have a flight of Super Cobras sending Hellfires or TOW missiles up their asses while they are banging away on their 20 mm gatling gun. Hell for that matter they could even send them some MH-6 Little Birds that can carry Hellfires and unguided rocket pods and wouldn’t take very long to train their pilots on either. Those are very capable little helicopters and there’s a reason our special forces love them.
As far as the first group of 6 F-16 pilots, they will 100% be trained in SEAD missions so you can put that one to bed. The big problem here is pilot fatigue. I fear they are going to have to initially fly these guys ragged like the Luftwaffe did their pilots in the Russian front in WWII which is where the phrase “fly till you die” came into existence. By 1944 the Luftwaffe was severely suffering not from a lack of available fighters, but a lack of trained pilots to fly them. They would quickly train these 19 year old kids, let them do a few practice runs more about takeoffs and landing than actual arial combat, and then send them up to get shot down and killed in their first couple missions. Our P-51 pilots absolutely chewed those guys up and spit them out which is what made Adolf Galland hate Hermann Goring’s guts because he actually cared about saving his pilot’s lives when he knew the war was lost when we were coming over Germany with 200+ B-17s being protected by 100 P-51s.
As far as the first group of 6 F-16 pilots, they will 100% be trained in SEAD missions so you can put that one to bed. The big problem here is pilot fatigue. I fear they are going to have to initially fly these guys ragged like the Luftwaffe did their pilots in the Russian front in WWII which is where the phrase “fly till you die” came into existence. By 1944 the Luftwaffe was severely suffering not from a lack of available fighters, but a lack of trained pilots to fly them. They would quickly train these 19 year old kids, let them do a few practice runs more about takeoffs and landing than actual arial combat, and then send them up to get shot down and killed in their first couple missions. Our P-51 pilots absolutely chewed those guys up and spit them out which is what made Adolf Galland hate Hermann Goring’s guts because he actually cared about saving his pilot’s lives when he knew the war was lost when we were coming over Germany with 200+ B-17s being protected by 100 P-51s.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:45 am to Auburn1968
It’s not the actual flying of the aircraft that takes longer, although our cockpit setup is different from that of old Soviet aircraft, particularly the gyro. What takes longest is understand the new technology that their old Mig-29s just didn’t have and then how to put this to use in the air in combat. Learning how to fly the plane is rather easy. Learning how to fight the plane takes longer.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 12:39 pm to WestCoastAg
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seriously
The US broke a treaty with Russia and people still don't think Putin has the right to fight back smh
This disinformation BS has to stop.
There was *never* a treaty preventing NATO expansion, or guaranteeing a right of Russian interference in the post-Soviet space. Hell, they can't even verify alleged verbal conversations-- and even if said conversations did happen, they flew in the face of what the United States and NATO clearly telegraphed over the next twenty years with the Partnership for Peace program-- and Russia can't claim ignorance of that, because they were *PARTICIPANTS* in the PFP program.
As a matter of actual fact, only one agreement with signatories of state actors exists that has been violated-- the accord guaranteeing the borders of post Soviet Ukraine, signed by its successor states and the United States, which has been blatantly violated repeatedly by the Russian Federation.
That's what an actual treaty violation looks like.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 2/6/24 at 1:45 pm to BoardReader
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This disinformation BS has to stop.
Unfortunately.. some people will not let historical fact get in the way of believing a narrative that fits their worldview....
Posted on 2/6/24 at 5:03 pm to BoardReader
The only verbal commitment per Gorbachev was that the US would not build any bases in former East Germany. We haven't built any there at all.
Bush (W) met with Putin to tell him China's designs on Siberia and Russia was a partner of NATO but refused to undergo standard inspection for becoming a full member and pulled out. That would have been an end of the oligarch support of his power.
Bush (W) met with Putin to tell him China's designs on Siberia and Russia was a partner of NATO but refused to undergo standard inspection for becoming a full member and pulled out. That would have been an end of the oligarch support of his power.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:45 pm to ticklechain
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It didn't?
"Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (LINK ;
The Ukraine boys don't want to hear facts
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:49 pm to Hateradedrink
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actually the U.S. began poking Russia in 1947 when we basically told them to eat shite because they’re communist assholes. It was called the Truman Doctrine.
What has followed since then has been a series of Russia and the U.S. poking each other for 70 years.
You should read a history book sometime; some pretty wild stuff in there.
That wasn't Russia. It was the Soviet Union. There's a huge difference, and you're too much of an idiot to understand it.
If you think the Bolshevik Revolution was run by Russians, you should just go report to the nursing home and tell them you're turning yourself in.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:03 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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That wasn't Russia. It was the Soviet Union. There's a huge difference, and you're too much of an idiot to understand it.
Same mindset whether Empire, Soviet or Federation. All have been about an empire.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:14 pm to klrstix
Sad but a lot of blind folks who were RuPaul followers where the drapes don't match the shades. One of the biggest spenders in congress with his campaign staff benefitting with contracts for his earmarks.
The only reason that heavily unionized area of Texas kept him in office was he made the money flow.
The only reason that heavily unionized area of Texas kept him in office was he made the money flow.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:15 pm to BoardReader
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This disinformation BS has to stop.
Look at who you're replying too
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Posted by BoardReader on 2/6/24 at 12:39 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:26 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University
Soviet security ceased being a thing circa 1991.
Where in these 1990 talks were there any guarantees for Russia?
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That wasn't Russia. It was the Soviet Union. There's a huge difference, and you're too much of an idiot to understand it.
Oooph and then your next post without even a damn sense of irony
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 7:27 pm
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