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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/26/23 at 3:50 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 12/26/23 at 3:50 pm to CitizenK
I’m going with the using cables and the weight of the ship idea to break it into smaller chunks that can be lifted. I just can’t envision how a crane with basically metal teeth would be able to grab and break apart a ship like that. I can’t even really fathom that being an actual thing. Seems like something you’d see in a redneck Frankenstein garage. By the size of the explosion we have no idea what condition that ship is in on the bottom. It could be in several pieces for all we know because that was one hell of a boom! Needless to say I seriously doubt patching holes in the hull and floating it with airbags is out of the question like on smaller boats.
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 4:04 pm to LSUPilot07
I'm guessing that the two best ways are similar to what we use to remove cement filled pilings/offshore oil and gas platforms, abrasive wire saws or explosives. Mangle like it would be makes either a very dangerous task,
Posted on 12/26/23 at 4:05 pm to CitizenK
quote:English like it would be makes either a very dangerous task as well.
Mangle like it would be makes either a very dangerous task,
Posted on 12/26/23 at 4:25 pm to soccerfüt
Looks like Russia just took Marlinka, this thing is melting before our eyes, zelensky better start talking treaty before he loses the entire country....
From the BBC two hours ago"
From the BBC two hours ago"
quote:
The Ukrainian military initially denied the Russian claim and Ukrainian military bloggers reported that Ukrainian troops were holding out in a small area of western Mariinka.
But speaking during a news conference on Tuesday, the commander of Ukrainian Armed Forces, Gen Valerii Zaluzhnyi confirmed that Ukrainian troops had withdrawn.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 4:30 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:
this thing is melting before our eyes, zelensky better start talking treaty before he loses the entire country....
At this rate Russia will get to Kiev in about 850 years with 100 million dead. You're right. The Ukes ought to just roll over and give up.
Or they can just see who was the political will to carry this thing out. Russia? Or the collective western MIC.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 4:47 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:
Looks like Russia just took Marlinka, this thing is melting before our eyes, zelensky better start talking treaty before he loses the entire country....
Marinka doesn't exist. There's not a single building left -- only a wall or intact basement here and there. Russia has cared very much about taking Marinka and Avdiivka, because they have been selling a story about the poor, helpless innocents of Donetsk City, who get regularly bombarded by Ukraine from those former suburbs.
Ukraine is much more focused on Crimea and southern Ukraine. The loss of the Novocherkask is significant, because it and the other landing ships in the Black Sea Fleet have provided an alternative to the Kerch Bridge in supplying Crimea.
Ukraine wants to get to the point when they can blockade Crimea, when Russia can't get anything in or out bigger than a helicopter. The strike last night was a significant step in that direction.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 4:51 pm to GOP_Tiger
Financial Times:
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The EU is preparing a back-up plan worth up to €20bn for Ukraine, using a debt structure that sidesteps the objections of Hungary’s Viktor Orbán about funding the war-torn country.
After EU leaders failed to agree a proposed €50bn four-year package for Ukraine earlier this month, officials have searched for alternatives to save Kyiv from a looming budget crisis if the bloc’s differences cannot be resolved.
Officials involved in talks said one model funded by debt has gained traction as the most practical way to provide support if Orbán refuses to drop his veto at a planned summit on February 1.
This scheme would involve participating member states issuing guarantees to the EU budget, enabling the European Commission to borrow up to €20bn on capital markets for Kyiv next year
Posted on 12/26/23 at 4:57 pm to GOP_Tiger
UK minister: Destruction of Russian ship proves there's no stalemate in war
by Dominic Culverwell December 26, 2023 3:21 PM
U.K. Defense Minister Grant Shapps said on Dec. 26 that Ukraine's recent attack on a Russian ship in the Black Sea proves that there is no stalemate in the war.
The Dec. 26 missile strike targeted the port town Feodosia in occupied Crimea. Ukrainian Air Force Commander Mykola Oleshchuk said that the attack had “destroyed” Russia's Novocherkassk ship, sharing a video of a large explosion.
“This latest destruction of (Russian dictator Vladimir) Putin's navy demonstrates that those who believe there's a stalemate in the Ukraine war are wrong,” Shapps wrote on X. “They haven't noticed that over the past 4 months 20% of Russia's Black Sea Fleet has been destroyed.”
The Kyiv Independent
by Dominic Culverwell December 26, 2023 3:21 PM
U.K. Defense Minister Grant Shapps said on Dec. 26 that Ukraine's recent attack on a Russian ship in the Black Sea proves that there is no stalemate in the war.
The Dec. 26 missile strike targeted the port town Feodosia in occupied Crimea. Ukrainian Air Force Commander Mykola Oleshchuk said that the attack had “destroyed” Russia's Novocherkassk ship, sharing a video of a large explosion.
“This latest destruction of (Russian dictator Vladimir) Putin's navy demonstrates that those who believe there's a stalemate in the Ukraine war are wrong,” Shapps wrote on X. “They haven't noticed that over the past 4 months 20% of Russia's Black Sea Fleet has been destroyed.”
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 12/26/23 at 6:17 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:
Looks like Russia just took Marlinka, this thing is melting before our eyes,
This sounds just like when Bakhumt and Sievierodonetsk were taken yet here we are still.
quote:
Russia? Or the collective western MIC
To be honest Ukrianes will to fight needs to be considered here. They are 100% having some draft issues. Maybe not on the scale of having to promise cannibals pardons for fighting, but still having some less than flattering "recruitment" moments
Posted on 12/26/23 at 6:39 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:
Looks like Russia just took Marlinka, this thing is melting before our eyes, zelensky better start talking treaty before he loses the entire country....
Only 3 days from Kyiv comrade and then onto Constantinople! The Orthodox Cross will be raised over the Hagia Sofia by Easter!
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 7:28 am
Posted on 12/26/23 at 6:41 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:Russia has lost an insane amount of men and armor for little gain. They may win the War in the longterm but it will take years for the Russian military to recover if the losses continue at the same pace for another year..
Looks like Russia just took Marlinka, this thing is melting before our eyes, zelensky better start talking treaty before he loses the entire country....
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:22 pm to TakeSteroidsBro
Im curious, how many of you actually think US taxpayers should sink a further 60 billion in that disaster versus, I dunno, fixing our border, ensuring elections are fair in 2024, taking care of the mentally ill, or fixing our road system, any number of various and sundry domestic issues?
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:27 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:
To be honest Ukrianes will to fight needs to be considered here. They are 100% having some draft issues.
Probably because they know the actual injured/killed Ukrainians in this war...both personally and the true numbers.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:29 pm to soccerfüt
And after over 3000 pages of "advancements" by Ukraine, Russia still sits in the territory rightly returned to mother Russia and hasnt moved an inch. In spite of the might of the entire western world, and they aint leaving.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 8:33 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:
And after over 3000 pages of "advancements" by Ukraine, Russia still sits in the territory rightly returned to mother Russia and hasnt moved an inch. In spite of the might of the entire western world, and they aint leaving.
Err wrong. They have no more “right” to Ukraine than Germany had a right to Poland.
And Russia thrown back miles and miles after losses in Kiev, Kherson and Kharkiv.
Maybe that news hasn’t made it to Trinidad.
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:12 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:
Im curious, how many of you actually think US taxpayers should sink a further 60 billion in that disaster versus, I dunno, fixing our border, ensuring elections are fair in 2024, taking care of the mentally ill, or fixing our road system, any number of various and sundry domestic issues?
Make love not war! We don't need to waste any money on defense.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:30 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:
Russia still sits in the territory rightly returned to mother Russia
Gotta love it when the "I don't actually support Russia" vail comes off
But to answer your question about how much money we should sink instead of X, I'll do you one better. How is Ukraine stopping any of that from being done? Hell why couldn't we just do both? I'd gladly pay an extra $363 in taxes to see it happen but you and I both know Ukraine funding isn't the reason those other items aren't being accomplished
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:55 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:
taking care of the mentally ill,
I don’t want my tax money to go to you
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:56 pm to StormyMcMan
There was no impetus to spending money on our elections, sealing the borders, investing big money in highways or any thing like this by the people in DC.
That’s a false debate. A red herring.
That’s a false debate. A red herring.
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