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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:54 am to StormyMcMan
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:54 am to StormyMcMan
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Hell why couldn't we just do both?
And this kind of idiotic logic is why we are 32 trillion in debt. Because most sane people have a budget to work with they dont just "do both" by printing money.
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:57 am to GOP_Tiger
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Make love not war! We don't need to waste any money on defense.
Fixing the border is defense, laundering money in ukraine not so much.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:59 am to REG861
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I don’t want my tax money to go to you
What a clever way of saying I couldnt sniff a degree at Vandy
Posted on 12/27/23 at 4:17 am to trinidadtiger
In the EUs next budget cycle they have committed 38.7 billion to border security, while cobbling together some make shift loan of 20 billion to Ukraine.
Does this sound like a continent that is more afraid of a "russian invasion" or a migration problem.
Does this sound like a continent that is more afraid of a "russian invasion" or a migration problem.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:08 am to trinidadtiger
They surely don't teach two of those three in Louisiana. Maybe all 3 in the democrat schools...dang, probably not even in country.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:20 am to trinidadtiger
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laundering money in ukraine not so much.
What do you think that "money laundering" means? You shouldn't use words you don't understand.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:23 am to StormyMcMan
Isw update
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Key Takeaways:
Russia's likely capture of Marinka in Donetsk Oblast represents a limited Russian tactical gain and does not portend any operationally significant advance unless Russian forces have dramatically improved their ability to conduct rapid mechanized forward movement, which they show no signs of having done.
Localized Russian offensive operations are still placing pressure on Ukrainian forces in many places along the front in eastern Ukraine, however, and can result in gradual tactical Russian advances.
Ukrainian forces conducted a successful missile strike that destroyed a Russian Black Sea Fleet (BSF) vessel and potentially damaged port infrastructure in occupied Feodosia, Crimea on December 26.
Russian forces struck a train station in Kherson City where civilians were waiting for evacuation on December 26.
Russian forces have reportedly decreased the tempo of their operations on east (left) bank Kherson Oblast, likely in connection with decreasing Russian aviation activity after Ukrainian forces recently shot down several Russian aircraft.
The Ukrainian government continues efforts to systematize and increase the sustainability of Ukrainian mobilization over the long term.
Russian President Vladimir Putin continued to portray himself as a gracious Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces, while contrasting his apparent attention to the Russian irregular forces’ with the Russian Ministry of Defense’s (MoD) incompetence.
Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) and Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) member states met during a series of meetings in St. Petersburg on December 25 and 26.
Russian actors seized on ongoing protests in Serbia against Serbian President Alexander Vucic to blame Western actors for causing instability in Serbia, which Russia perceives as a long-term European ally.
A prominent Kremlin-affiliated Russian milblogger claimed that Finland is becoming a “second Ukraine,” creating rhetorical parallels between Russian narratives about Ukraine and Finland, further suggesting that Russia maintains future ideological and territorial objectives that far exceed the war in Ukraine.
Russian forces made confirmed advances near Kupyansk, Avdiivka, Marinka, and Robotyne as positional engagements continued along the entire line of contact.
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a series of laws on December 25 to help further bolster Russia’s force generation capacity.
The Kremlin further formalized avenues to coerce residents of occupied Ukraine to receive Russian passports using maternity capital payments.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:33 am to trinidadtiger
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Does this sound like a continent that is more afraid of a "russian invasion" or a migration problem.
I can actually argue both on here because Russia uses migrants as form of hybrid warfare. And FWIW it's only 20B because of Hungry and the EU having to work around them. The original proposal was closer to 50B
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And this kind of idiotic logic is why we are 32 trillion in debt. Because most sane people have a budget to work with they dont just "do both" by printing money
And this is avoiding the response. How is funding Ukriane stopping us from doing anything you mentioned?
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Maybe they dont teach geography in louisiana, these towns they are in the territory formerly known as ukraine no, so Russia is still there, am I correct or did that news not reach louisiana?
Wait are you seriously arguing that Russia is currently occupying Kyiv, Kherson and Kharkiv? You seriously can't be this stupid
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 6:12 am
Posted on 12/27/23 at 7:26 am to trinidadtiger
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In the EUs next budget cycle they have committed 38.7 billion to border security, while cobbling together some make shift loan of 20 billion to Ukraine.
Do you want to know how much military spending has increased? Because while they share borders, they do not share a military. And a 20 billion dollar loan is a massive cash injection. You are just typing without thinking.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:28 am to trinidadtiger
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And after over 3000 pages of "advancements" by Ukraine, Russia still sits in the territory rightly returned to mother Russia and hasnt moved an inch. In spite of the might of the entire western world, and they aint leaving.
1. Russia doesn’t have any right to those territories.
2. Russia has lost over 50% of the territory that it captured in the first month of the invasion. It currently holds < 10% more Ukrainian territory than it controlled on 2/22/22 and has lost more than 300,000 soldiers in the process.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:34 am to trinidadtiger
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And after over 3000 pages of "advancements" by Ukraine, Russia still sits in the territory rightly returned to mother Russia
Poliboard ladies and gents
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:34 am to trinidadtiger
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And Russia thrown back miles and miles after losses in Kiev, Kherson and Kharkiv. Maybe they dont teach geography in louisiana, these towns they are in the territory formerly known as ukraine no, so Russia is still there, am I correct or did that news not reach louisiana?
Kyiv is in the Kyiv oblast and Ukraine currently controls 100% of the Kyiv oblast. Kharkiv is in the Kharkiv oblast and Ukraine currently controls > 99% of the Kharkiv oblast. Kherson is on the west bank of the Dnieper River and Ukraine controls 100% of the west side of the Dnieper River. Maybe you are the one who needs to learn geography.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:41 am to trinidadtiger
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Im curious, how many of you actually think US taxpayers should sink a further 60 billion in that disaster versus, I dunno, fixing our border, ensuring elections are fair in 2024, taking care of the mentally ill, or fixing our road system, any number of various and sundry domestic issues?
This is such a painfully stupid argument it hurts.
Do you know what happens with $60b if it doesn't get spent defending Ukraine? I heard someone ask that somewhere: "Can you imagine what we could do with $60b here in the United State?"
Yes, I can imagine -- tax cuts or corporate welfare.
The government has had 40+ years to fix health care, the border, infrastructure, etc ... and they haven't. Why would that change now because the US isn't spending money on Ukraine?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:46 am to StormyMcMan
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A prominent Kremlin-affiliated Russian milblogger claimed that Finland is becoming a “second Ukraine,” creating rhetorical parallels between Russian narratives about Ukraine and Finland, further suggesting that Russia maintains future ideological and territorial objectives that far exceed the war in Ukraine.
No way Russia will widen the war by attacking Finland. They already have more than they can handle in Ukraine where they’ve lost well over a quarter of a million men and are stuck in a stalemated war of attrition. Attacking Finland would unleash the full military capability of NATO on Russia at a time when Russia can ill afford it.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:47 am to Darth_Vader
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No way Russia will widen the war by attacking Finland.
Yep, pure fear porn.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:49 am to trinidadtiger
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Make love not war! We don't need to waste any money on defense. Fixing the border is defense, laundering money in ukraine not so much.
Spending $100 billion to destroy 87% of the Russian pre invasion military strength will save the USA money in the long run. Prior to the invasion the USA was projected to increase defense spending to protect Europe from Russia by $20 billion per year for the next 10 years. Now we don’t have to do that.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:55 am to Darth_Vader
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No way Russia will widen the war by attacking Finland. They already have more than they can handle in Ukraine where they’ve lost well over a quarter of a million men and are stuck in a stalemated war of attrition. Attacking Finland would unleash the full military capability of NATO on Russia at a time when Russia can ill afford it.
Would you have said that before Finland joined NATO?
It’s easy to see why Finland and Sweden rushed to get into NATO and why Ukraine wants in. The people who believe that NATO has served its purpose are wrong. Russia is still a threat to Europe.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:01 am to Hateradedrink
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And after over 3000 pages of "advancements" by Ukraine, Russia still sits in the territory rightly returned to mother Russia
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Poliboard ladies and gents
Yep…..same “logic” with these people would state the Taiwan is rightly china’s. Western territories are rightly Mexico’s. Poland, Finland, baltics, Georgia, are rightly part of Russia.
Forget that the populous of all these countries are firmly happy where they are now…..
And for Trinidad…..Neville Chamberlain called and wants his foreign policy back…..
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:02 am to doubleb
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The people who believe that NATO has served its purpose are wrong. Russia is still a threat to Europe.
Well I'm not European. America should've left NATO 30 years ago. The Europeans are more than welcome to form their own military alliance to fight the Russians on their own dime. I wish them the best. We could even sell them some cool tanks and jets and make a nice little profit. I bet even the JV team that is Europe can handle Russia while the varsity focuses on the world's real threat, China.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:20 am to Darth_Vader
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No way Russia will widen the war by attacking Finland.
Now that Finland is in NATO you are correct. Russia isn’t going to be stupid enough to attack Finland now. Prior to Finland joining NATO, Russia might have been stupid enough to attack Finland.
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