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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/24/23 at 10:37 pm to Errerrerrwere
Posted on 10/24/23 at 10:37 pm to Errerrerrwere
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been trying to take the city for over 10 years now?
:Sure Jan:
You got me. It was a typo. I meant to say almost 10 years.
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Starting Mid-April 2014 pro-Russian separatists captured several towns in Donetsk Oblast;[5][6] including Avdiivka. On 21 July 2014, Ukrainian forces reportedly secured the city from separatists.[7] This claim was repeated the next day.[8] Ukrainian forces kept control of Avdiivka, which became a frontline city and frequently shelled.[9][10] According to the OSCE, the area between Avdiivka and neighboring separatist-controlled Yasynuvata is one of the hotspots of the Russo-Ukrainian War.[11]
In March 2016 the Ukrainian army set up its fortifications in the area's "Industrial Zone", until then a buffer zone between the Donetsk People's Republic controlled territories and government-held territory in the eastern part of Avdiivka.[12] This meant that the pro-Russian separatists no longer had full control of the highway that connected Donetsk and Horlivka (two major cities under their control), and that it became more difficult for them to fire at Avdiivka even with weapons that Minsk II did not prohibit.[12] After March 2016, fighting for Avdiivka's "Industrial Zone" greatly intensified.[12]
In 2017, the city was embroiled in a battle from 29 January until 4 February, which left the city without electricity and heating for several days.[13][14][15] In January 2017 BBC News estimated that between 16,000 and 22,000 people were living in Avdiivka.
As part of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian forces fired rockets towards Avdiivka, most notably the coke plant in the city.[16] Much of the civilian population has fled due to the battle.[17] On 24 October 2023, BBC News reported that 'just over 1,000' people, or 3% of the city's pre-war population, were still living in Avdiivka.[2] On 22 February 2023 Governor of Donetsk Oblast Pavlo Kyrylenko declared that Avdiivka was almost completely destroyed.[18] As of late October 2023, the city remained under Ukrainian control.[2][18] In March, Russian troops were attempting to encircle the city while also attempting to capture Bakhmut.[19] Beginning on October 14, 2023, Russia made a general push to attempt to encircle the city once more, with very limited success and high losses of armour and other important assets.
"Separatists" (aka Russian soldiers out of uniform) took Avdiivka in the spring of 2014. The UAF retook the city in July of 2014. The city has been on the frontlines and in Ukrainian hands since then.
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Posted on 10/24/23 at 10:39 pm to RuLSU
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Some Russian sources claim the Z's lost more people in 2-3 days than Ukraine lost their entire effort to take Robotyne.
Posted on 10/24/23 at 11:21 pm to WeeWee
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I am too lazy to go back and read the thread. Have any of the usual suspects jumped in and made claims of imminent Russian victory in Avdiivka even though the Russians and their "separatist allies" have been trying to take the city for almost 10 years now?
Here not so much but Larry Johnson, Col MacGregor, etc... sure have. Someone connected with them told me that the diesel shortage for Russian farmers was due stockpiled for a major offensive. I let him know that they were exporting far less than in the past. He didn't like that answer at all.
O/T Tucker interviewed MacGregor a day or two ago. Why sane people cannot see through his talking in circles, starting out saying one thing then shifting halfway through is beyond me. This interview was more about Israel, Iran, Middle East.
BTW, the same guy who told me about the precious metals fire sale also told me about how steadfast Pompeo is in his support for Ukraine. His brother is a friend of Pompeo.
Posted on 10/24/23 at 11:46 pm to WeeWee
So, soldiers not in Russian uniforms calling themselves separatists = Russians.
Got it.
Thanks, I just needed to get the Algebra straight.
Got it.
Thanks, I just needed to get the Algebra straight.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:16 am to Errerrerrwere
Yes. It’s not as if this hasn’t been reported on since 2014. Satellite imagery of armored columns from Russia in Eastern Ukraine shows that they have been operating in Eastern Ukraine since 2014.
Here are excerpts from an article from 2019 that provides more support.
LINK
Here are excerpts from an article from 2019 that provides more support.
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Newly collated evidence documenting Russian military involvement in the conflict in Ukraine will be used to bolster legal claims against the Russian state by Ukrainian volunteer fighters. Forensic Architecture, a London-based research group, has collected and catalogued evidence of Russian military involvement in the battle of Ilovaysk in August 2014, including the presence of a model of tank used only by the Russian armed forces at that time.
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The evidence includes numerous satellite images of Russian armed convoys inside Ukraine and multiple sightings of the T-72B3 tank, a new model which at the time of the battle was operated only by the Russian armed forces. Russia has continually denied military involvement in Ukraine despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. In the battle of Ilovaysk, which came to a head at the end of August 2014, Ukrainian army units and volunteer battalions on one side were pitted against separatist and Russian military forces on the other, resulting in hundreds of deaths on both sides.
LINK
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:52 am to RuLSU
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It's turned into one of the biggest debacles of the entire war.
It's now up there with the Bilohorivka river disaster in May 2022 and the Vuhledar disaster from last winter. Russian losses at Avdiivka will surpass those soon, if they haven't already.
But I am hesitant to put Avdiivka in that category yet, as it's still possible that it ends up in the "Bakhmut" category of an an incredibly expensive advance.
Either way, the Russian Avdiivka offensive is a huge gift to Ukraine. Ukraine has been working to attrit the Russian military, and that's so much easier when Russia does stupid attacks.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:56 am to GOP_Tiger
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
25 October 2023
Over the last week fighting has intensified around the banks of the lower reaches of the Dnipro River. Ukraine has given higher priority to operations in this sector, building up small bridgeheads on the east bank it has controlled since the summer.
Russia has likely been alert to the possibly of attacks across the river since it withdrew its forces from the western bank 12 months ago. The area is under the control of the newly established 18th Combined Arms Army, after some of the units previously in the area were diverted to the Orikhiv axis to the east.
As in most sectors, a decisive factor is almost certainly the combatants' ability to bring accurate, intense artillery fire to bear. Initial indication suggests that Russia has maintained a significant artillery capability within range of the river.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
25 October 2023
Over the last week fighting has intensified around the banks of the lower reaches of the Dnipro River. Ukraine has given higher priority to operations in this sector, building up small bridgeheads on the east bank it has controlled since the summer.
Russia has likely been alert to the possibly of attacks across the river since it withdrew its forces from the western bank 12 months ago. The area is under the control of the newly established 18th Combined Arms Army, after some of the units previously in the area were diverted to the Orikhiv axis to the east.
As in most sectors, a decisive factor is almost certainly the combatants' ability to bring accurate, intense artillery fire to bear. Initial indication suggests that Russia has maintained a significant artillery capability within range of the river.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 12:28 pm to cypher
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What looks like a significant development in the Black Sea was reported by the Ukrainian Operational Command South today.
Russian aviation has reportedly dropped 4 probable bottom mines and this seems to have halted traffic to/from Odessa today.
LINK
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Russia is mining the Ukrainian corridor by plane. This explains why no ships sailed today despite there being many ready to sail. #UkriCor
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Today, Oct 25, the tactical aviation of russia discharged four explosive devices in the area of the trade route to the ports of Big Odesa, announced Natalia Gumeniuk, spokesperson of the Operational Command "South".
LINK
Posted on 10/25/23 at 12:38 pm to GOP_Tiger
While many, many sources thought this war would be a two week affair for Russia to waltz into Kiev, it looked to me like the Ukraine armed forces were too substantial for that to happen especially given their major differences in the will to fight.
Stalin liquidated millions of Ukraine's population by either "exile" or intentional famine. He then engaged in a program of Russification of the depleted population through migration. Real Ukrainians will never forget nor forgive those mass murders and atrocities. For them it is within generational living memory and family history.
Stalin liquidated millions of Ukraine's population by either "exile" or intentional famine. He then engaged in a program of Russification of the depleted population through migration. Real Ukrainians will never forget nor forgive those mass murders and atrocities. For them it is within generational living memory and family history.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 1:52 pm to Auburn1968
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Stalin liquidated millions of Ukraine's population by either "exile" or intentional famine. He then engaged in a program of Russification of the depleted population through migration. Real Ukrainians will never forget nor forgive those mass murders and atrocities. For them it is within generational living memory and family history.
The famine was regional, it occurred across the farm belt, and was not limited to the Ukrainian SSR, and it was the result of the Soviets inept planning processes, vs intentional neglect. The leaders of the collective process, like Stalin, the Georgian, were not Russian either, the Peoples Commissar for Agriculture at the time was a Jewish man named Yakov Yakovlev.
It’s worth noting that famine was not unprecedented though, famines were an issue under the Empire as well, and up to a million had died at the end of the civil war between the years 1921 and 1923.
With the brief exception of WW2, the Soviet leadership did suppress any sense of a Russian identity. The Revolution had been a minority revolution, against an ethnic Russian majority, and it was understood that the Russian identity was an existential threat to the Soviet Union - it resonated much more deeply than Communism did, and if the Russians rose up, it would break the Soviet Union. And that’s exactly how it ended, with Yeltsin on a tank.
There was a bit of engineering going on with the Ukrainian SSR though, the borders were expanded to increase the number of ethnic Russians in the SSR. This was not done out of any love for Russians or Ukrainians, the Soviets simply wanted to prevent uprisings, and internally divided Republics were considered less dangerous.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:06 pm to Lima Whiskey
How are we feeling about the new speaker elect, Louisiana representative, Mike Johnson?
Just going to leave this bread here
Just going to leave this bread here
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HAVE REPEATEDLY VOTED AGAINST UKRAINE AID
Byron Donalds (FL)
Mike Johnson (LA)
Kevin Hern (OK)
Pete Sessions (TX)
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:16 pm to Errerrerrwere
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How are we feeling about the new speaker elect, Louisiana representative, Mike Johnson?
Just going to leave this bread here
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HAVE REPEATEDLY VOTED AGAINST UKRAINE AID
Byron Donalds (FL)
Mike Johnson (LA)
Kevin Hern (OK)
Pete Sessions (TX)
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Rep. Mike Johnson (R-La.) had a message for countries around the world who had been watching the drama play out over the last few weeks.
“We want our allies around the world to know that this body of lawmakers is reporting again to our duty stations,” Johnson said. “Let the enemies of freedom around the world hear us loud and clear: The people’s house is back in business.”
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:17 pm to Errerrerrwere
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How are we feeling about the new speaker elect, Louisiana representative, Mike Johnson?
Bad news if you are on a pension in Ukraine.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:18 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The famine was regional, it occurred across the farm belt, and was not limited to the Ukrainian SSR, and it was the result of the Soviets inept planning processes, vs intentional neglect.
I see it as both inept planning and polices and something worse than intentional neglect in the form of intentional liquidation via famine. The land owning peasant farmers of Ukraine had resisted Stalin's push for collectivization and were rounded up by the millions to be shipped off to "exile" never to be seen again. Stalin then took all of the grain , in many cases right down to seed stocks, for sale on the European market since he needed the cash.
The world is lucky that Stalin loved roast suckling pig so much.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:29 pm to StormyMcMan
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“We want our allies around the world to know that this body of lawmakers is reporting again to our duty stations,” Johnson said. “Let the enemies of freedom around the world hear us loud and clear: The people’s house is back in business.”
So, you take the words that never mention Ukraine over his actions of voting against it?
Yikes
Seems the theme in this very thread.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:31 pm to Errerrerrwere
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So, you take the words that never mention Ukraine over his actions of voting against it?
I mean your taking his actions of voting against it to mean it won't ever be voted on
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:38 pm to StormyMcMan
Who sets the agendas to be voted on?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:39 pm to Errerrerrwere
Oh and
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:43 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Who sets the agendas to be voted on?
The corporations who donate to the SOTH's campaign.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:50 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Who sets the agendas to be voted on?
I'm going to guess you aren't that stupid (despite thinking that $113B is half a trillion), but just in case it's the speaker of the house. His lack of support on recent bills doesn't mean it won't be brought up
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A legislative plan that Johnson circulated two days before clinching the Speakership names support for Rep. Mike McCaul’s (R-Texas) resolution condemning Hamas as a top priority, but he does not mention the funding package. However, Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.) said on CNN that it was his “understanding” that Johnson was willing to bring the legislation to the floor.
LINK
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The new Speaker of Congress Mike Johnson is open to negotiations on the allocation of additional funds to assist Ukraine.
Joe Biden asked him about this, Bloomberg reports.
LINK
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 5:57 pm
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