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Posted on 10/12/23 at 1:42 pm to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/12/23 at 1:42 pm to
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it sucks its come to almost complete stalemate but it is what it is.


Initially I thought in less than two months Russia would conquer Ukraine. The fact they have not is a win in that sense.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 10/12/23 at 2:45 pm to
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it sucks its come to almost complete stalemate but it is what it is.


It would have helped if the arms Ukraine got was not in trickle and a trickle there.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15751 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

both countries are shite holes, complete and utter disasters.


Interesting that Ukrainians trust central governments less than Libertarians. They've had more than their share of the fiasco of central rule.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:08 pm to
If the armor and the artillery had been delivered en masse in the summer of 22, it would be a different war.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:38 pm to
quote:

Initially I thought in less than two months Russia would conquer Ukraine. The fact they have not is a win in that sense.



Copium. I member the days when Moscow was falling!
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:44 pm to
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Copium. I member the days when Moscow was falling!


You must have just gotten dropped off the school bus.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/12/23 at 4:52 pm to
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You must have just gotten dropped off the school bus.


The short bus
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:00 pm to
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Copium. I member the days when Moscow was falling!

Are you referring to the time a mercenary warlord led 30k men into Russian territory while screaming at the Russian MoD? They shot down multiple Russian planes, conquered a city and then marched on Moscow?

Are you referring to that, as if thinking Moscow could fall under those circumstances was somehow unthinkable?

If Russia is winning so hard, why did they have a literal coup in June?
This post was edited on 10/13/23 at 7:22 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5652 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 4:57 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 13 October 2023

Russian Air Force Long Range Aviation (LRA) aircraft have not conducted a strike against Ukraine since 21 September 2023, a period of 21 days.

While such breaks have not been unusual, the last similar break in strikes occurred between 9 March and 28 April 2023, a period of 51 days. In that instance it was likely that LRA had almost depleted its stocks of capable AS-23 missile munitions following its winter campaign against Ukrainian critical national infrastructure.

This time, it is likely that Russian LRA are preserving existing stocks of AS-23 missiles as well as using this pause to increase useable stocks in anticipation of further heavy strikes against Ukraine over the winter.

Recently, Russia has focused its airstrikes against grain-related facilities across the south of Ukraine, using SHAHED one-way-attack uncrewed aerial vehicles (OWA UAVS.) This included strikes against Ukrainian Danube River ports, which likely required a high level of accuracy due to the target's proximity to the Romanian border. It is likely that Russia used SHAHED OWA UAVS on these targets because of their better accuracy over other types of air-launched missiles.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 6:01 am to
ISW Update Oct 12

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Russian forces likely launched a significant and ongoing offensive effort around Avdiivka, Donetsk Oblast on October 10. ISW observed Russian forces simultaneously attacking northwest, west, and south of Avdiivka using armored assault groups, rotary wing aircraft, and concentrated artillery starting on October 10.[1] Avdiivka City Military Administration Head Vitaliy Barabash indicated that Russian forces are carrying out assaults with air support in 10 to 12 directions around the settlement.[2] Ukrainian military observers framed Russian offensive operations against Avdiivka as a “major attack” and noted that Russian forces used an unusually high number of armored vehicles in combat.[3] Russian forces’ increased use of armored vehicles and aviation – alongside persistent simultaneous ground attacks – indicates that Russian forces are conducting an offensive effort more significant in scope and intent than ISW previously assessed on October 10 and October 11.[4] ISW is revising its assessment that Russian attacks around Avdiivka are local efforts intended solely to fix Ukrainian forces but is not prepared to assess the exact objectives and likely outcome of Russian efforts in the Avdiivka direction at this time.

Russian forces have not secured any major breakthroughs near Avdiivka as of October 12 and are unlikely to immediately cut off Ukrainian forces in the city. ISW estimates that Russian forces have captured 4.52 square kilometers of territory from different directions around Avdiivka since October 10 and that Russian forces are 3.32km away from a Ukrainian ground line of communication (GLOC) along the O0562 highway from the south and 5.25km from the north of Avdiivka, and Russian claims of advances beyond these distances are likely overstated. Russian sources claimed that Russian forces are attempting to create a cauldron around Ukrainian forces in Avdiivka, but quickly acknowledged that current advances are slow

Geolocated footage indicates that Russian forces have likely lost at least a battalion tactical group’s (BTG’s) worth of armored vehicles in offensive operations around Avdiivka. A reliable X (Twitter) user observed on October 12 that Ukrainian forces destroyed 33 Russian armored vehicles and 15 tanks since October 10 near Avdiivka

Defending Ukrainian forces are inflicting relatively heavy losses and suppressing Russian logistics near Avdiivka, likely slowing down the Russian pace of advance. A Russian milblogger claimed that the pace of Russian advance had slowed down and Russian forces are now focusing on “quality” attacks after Russian forces endured initial high equipment losses.[16] Geolocated footage published on October 12 shows that Ukrainian forces destroyed a bridge northeast of Avdiivka between Yasynuvata and Horlivka.[17] A Russian milblogger claimed that the bridge’s destruction will negatively impact Russian logistics in the Avdiivka area and that Russian forces will likely face difficulties attempting to repair the bridge due to its proximity to the frontline.[18]

The Russian information space is likely exaggerating the degree of Russian successes on the Avdiivka front and will continue to do so despite military failures or a slow pace of advance. Russian sources are celebrating Russian offensive operations but are largely not reacting to the significant vehicle losses sustained in just a few days of fighting. This muted response is largely inconsistent with prior outcry when Russian forces lost a whole armored vehicle column as the Russian offensive against Vuhledar culminated in February 2023.[19] The milbloggers are likely engaging in self-censorship following the recent arrests of prominent critical information space voices. Many prominent Russian milbloggers also have strong connections to formations in the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) People’s Militia, many of which are fighting in the Avdiivka area, further providing incentive for milbloggers to censor defeats and exaggerate claimed victories

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and reportedly advanced in both sectors of the front on October 12. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces achieved some unspecified successes east of Klishchiivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut) and east of Andriivka (10km southwest of Bakhmut).[22] Ukrainian Eastern Group of Forces Spokesperson Captain Ilya Yevlash stated that Ukrainian forces are continuing offensives in the Bakhmut direction and have advanced several hundred meters in unspecified areas.[23] The Ukrainian General Staff and Ukrainian Tavriisk Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Oleksandr Shtupun reported that Ukrainian forces improved their tactical positions west of Robotyne.[24]

Russian “Vostok” Battalion Commander Alexander Khodakovsky advocated for Russian forces to freeze the frontlines in Ukraine in order to replace exhausted mobilized personnel with fresh contract servicemen and launch a renewed offensive effort. Khodakovsky stated on October 12 that Russian forces could conduct a “deliberate final phase” to end the war after replacing tired units with contract servicemen, which aligns with ISW’s longstanding assessment that Russian forces will almost certainly take advantage of any short or long-term freeze to refresh their forces and restart fighting at a later date.

Russian forces conducted a series of drone strikes across Ukraine, targeting port infrastructure in southern Ukraine and critical infrastructure in Kharkiv Oblast on the night of October 11 to 12. Ukrainian official military sources reported that Ukrainian air defenses shot down 28 of the 33 Shahed-131/136 drones.

The Russian Presidential Administration continues preparations to manage and falsify the March 2024 presidential elections. Russian opposition outlet Meduza reported on October 12 that the Russian Presidential Administration may install electronic voting terminals with passport scanners at polling stations in certain regions of Russia ahead of the presidential election in March 2024.[33] The electronic voting terminals will reportedly allow Russian authorities to collect data about Russian citizens in an electronic database, including data regarding mobilization eligibility and voting habits. Meduza noted that Russian authorities first used electronic voting terminals during the Moscow mayoral elections in September 2023.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 6:01 am to
quote:

Key Takeaways:

Russian forces likely launched a significant and ongoing offensive effort around Avdiivka, Donetsk Oblast on October 10, and ISW is revising its initial assessment these attacks are a limited effort to fix Ukrainian forces.

Russian forces have not secured any major breakthroughs near Avdiivka as of October 12 and are unlikely to immediately cut off Ukrainian forces in the city.

Geolocated footage indicates that Russian forces have likely lost at least a battalion tactical group’s (BTG’s) worth of armored vehicles in offensive operations around Avdiivka.

The Russian information space is likely exaggerating the degree of Russian successes on the Avdiivka front and will continue to do so despite military failures or a slow pace of advance.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and reportedly advanced in both sectors of the front on October 12.

Russian “Vostok” Battalion Commander Alexander Khodakovsky advocated for Russian forces to freeze the frontlines in Ukraine in order to replace exhausted mobilized personnel with fresh contract servicemen and launch a renewed offensive effort.

Russian forces conducted a series of drone strikes across Ukraine, targeting port infrastructure in southern Ukraine and critical infrastructure in Kharkiv Oblast on the night of October 11 to 12.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations near Kupyansk, along the Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, around Donetsk City, in the Donetsk-Zaporizha Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced in some areas.

Russian Security Council Deputy Chairperson Dmitry Medvedev stated on October 12 that the Russian military has recruited more than 357,000 contract, volunteer, and conscripted military personnel since January 1, 2023.

Russian authorities continue to persecute religious communities in occupied Ukraine as part of ongoing Russian efforts to destroy the Ukrainian identity.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30478 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 6:03 am to
Sevastopol, a Russian Buyan-class corvette was spotted billowing smoke at the mouth of the bay, with casualties reported. Their is another video further down in the Tweet showing the helicopter that purportedly evacced casualties.



Twitter





This post was edited on 10/13/23 at 6:04 am
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
3008 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 6:20 am to
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If the armor and the artillery had been delivered en masse in the summer of 22, it would be a different war.


2014 is when aid was needed and should have been provided.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5652 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 7:45 am to
Dmitri
@wartranslated

"Damage to rudder group... Epicentre of the explosion was underwater ... a tug was sent to rescue Pavel Derzhavin, but was also attacked" - Rybar.



Twitter
This post was edited on 10/13/23 at 7:47 am
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14811 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 7:49 am to
risk/reward for Russia to keep its BSF in Sevastopol has to be reaching the point its too much of a risk to keep ships in the harbor.....

...... that or they just need to bad cigarettes from use in the Russian navy.......
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8194 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 8:05 am to
Between war damage and deferred maintenance, the Black Sea fleet is going to slowly degrade into obsolescence.

Any underwater damage is going to require dry docks and graving docks, which the Ukrainians have already been successfully attacking.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20973 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 8:10 am to
Great doompost from Comrade Murz about Avdiivka: LINK

We no longer get Girkin doomposts or Prigozhin rants, so Murz is all we have left.

Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 8:19 am to
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Errerrerrwere

You were dropped on your head as a baby, weren't you?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20973 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 2:04 pm to
Politico

Ukrainian pilots expected to start F-16 training in Arizona next week


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Ukrainian pilots are expected to begin training to fly the F-16 fighter jet at an Air National Guard base in Tuscon, Ariz., next week, according to four U.S. officials.

A small number of pilots, who arrived in the United States last month to participate in an English language course at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas, have passed their first test for English proficiency and are headed to Morris Air National Guard Base in Arizona, according to one of the officials, who like the others were granted anonymity to speak ahead of an announcement. There, they will train with the 162nd Wing, the main F-16 training hub for the Air Force, two of the officials said.


Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/13/23 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

it sucks its come to almost complete stalemate but it is what it is.


And just like that, we have a new talking point this week.

Looks like my job is done, ladies.

Good luck. Poor fycks.
This post was edited on 10/13/23 at 3:40 pm
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