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Posted on 10/11/23 at 3:45 pm to
Posted by immobileman
nowhere in particular
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 3:45 pm to
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I'm not all about Russia but our government could care less about us.


Reading is not your specialty I see.

And by all means, shave your head, tattoo yourself with swastikas and join the Azov battalion.
This post was edited on 10/11/23 at 3:46 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 4:23 pm to
And there are some devoted to this thread claiming to have gone in country to stop the Russian advances.

Talk about a pointless life.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 4:30 pm to
Though, I forget what LARP it was that told everyone that!

Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:50 pm to
ISW Update

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Ongoing localized Russian offensive operations near Avdiivka likely demonstrate the ability of Russian forces to learn and apply tactical battlefield lessons in Ukraine. Russian forces launched localized attacks towards Avdiivka after intensive artillery preparation of the battlefield in the early hours of October 10, and geolocated footage from October 10 and 11 confirms that Russian troops advanced southwest of Avdiivka near Sieverne and northwest of Avdiivka near Stepove and Krasnohorivka.[1] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that a grouping of up to three Russian battalions with tank and armored vehicle support intensified offensive operations near Avdiivka.[2] Ukrainian General Staff Spokesperson Andrii Kovavlev clarified that these battalions are part of three motorized rifle brigades of the Southern Military District’s 8th Combined Arms Army.[3]

Russian sources celebrated Russian advances in this area and outlined several adaptations that suggest that Russian forces are applying lessons learned from operations in southern Ukraine to other sectors of the front.[4] A Russian artillery battalion commander who is reportedly fighting in the area claimed that Russian forces are paying significant attention to counterbattery combat.[5] Another source who also claimed to be fighting in the area reported that Russian forces are using electronic warfare (EW) systems, conducting sound artillery preparation of the battlefield, and are demonstrating “clear interaction” between command headquarters, assault groups, aerial reconnaissance, and artillery elements.[6] The milblogger noted that Russian forces are not employing human wave-style “meat” assaults, and several Russian sources amplified footage of Russian armored vehicles leading a breakthrough along roadways towards Ukrainian positions, followed by infantry columns.[7]

The suggestion that Russian forces are effectively employing EW, counterbattery, artillery preparation, aerial reconnaissance, and inter/intra-unit communication is noteworthy, as Russian sources previously emphasized these tactical adaptations as the strengths of Russia’s defense against Ukrainian counteroffensive operations in southern Ukraine, particularly in June and July.[8] Furthermore, the majority of Russian forces currently fighting in the Avdiivka area are likely elements of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) 1st Army Corps, which the Russian 8th Combined Arms Army predominantly controls

These tactical-level adaptations and successes, however, are unlikely to translate into wider operational and strategic gains for Russian forces. Geolocated footage shows that Russian gains around Avdiivka are concentrated to the southwest of Avdiivka, and Russian forces have not completed an operational encirclement of the settlement and will likely struggle to do so if that is their intent. Avdiivka is also a notoriously well-fortified and defended Ukrainian stronghold, which will likely complicate Russian forces’ ability to closely approach or fully capture the settlement. Russian forces additionally already control segments of the critical N20 Donetsk City-Kostyantynivka-Kramatorsk-Slovyansk highway and other routes that run near Avdiivka, so the hypothetical capture of Avdiivka will not open new routes of advance to the rest of Donetsk Oblast. As ISW previously assessed, Russian forces likely intend attacks in the Avdiivka area to fix Ukrainian forces and prevent them from redeploying to other areas of the front. However, Ukrainian officials have already identified the Avdiivka push as a Russian fixing operation, and they are unlikely to unduly commit Ukrainian manpower to this axis.[11]

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and reportedly advanced in both sectors of the front on October 11. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces were successful east of Klishchiivka and Andriivka near Bakhmut.[12] The Ukrainian General Staff and Tavriisk Group Commander Brigadier General Oleksandr Tarnavskyi reported that Ukrainian forces improved their tactical positions west of Robotyne.[13]

A large number of NATO member states recently announced aid packages to Ukraine against the backdrop of the 16th Ukraine Defense Group Contact Group meeting in Brussels, Belgium on October 11. Military and government officials from almost 50 countries met in Brussels, Belgium on October 11 for the beginning of the Contact Group on Defense of Ukraine, and multiple NATO states pledged aid and support to Ukraine

Russia’s Federation Council Defense and Security Committee voted to replace Senator Viktor Bondarev with Senator Vladimir Bulavin as Federation Council Defense and Security Committee Head on October 10. Russian Senator Vyacheslav Timchenko claimed on October 10 that Bondarev is resigning as part of the chairperson’s standard rotation and will remain the first deputy chairman of the Defense and Security Committee.[17] Timchenko claimed that he expects the Federation Council to approve Bulavin’s new appointment.

Russian military command continues to celebrate the 810th Naval Infantry Brigade (Black Sea Fleet) for its service in Ukraine, despite claims that the brigade was defeated and reportedly transferred to the Kherson direction. Russian Black Sea Fleet (BSF) Deputy Commander Rear Admiral Ildar Akhmerov presented awards to servicemen of the Russian 810th Naval Infantry Brigade on October 11 for repelling Ukrainian attacks in an unspecified sector of the front a week after Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu partially attributed the successful Russian defensive operations around Robotyne to the brigade.[21] Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Head Lieutenant General Kyrylo Budanov stated on September 22 that Ukrainian forces “completely defeated“ the 810th Naval Infantry Brigade and that Russian command withdrew the brigade from western Zaporizhia Oblast.[22] A Russian milblogger claimed on October 5 that elements of the 810th Naval Infantry Brigade were transferred to the Kherson direction, indicating that the brigade may have been reconstituted or is in the process of reconstituting

Armenia continues to ostensibly distance itself from Russia after a decades-long security relationship. Armenian forces are not participating in the week-long Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) “Indestructible Brotherhood-2023” exercises in Kyrgyzstan that started on October 6.[25] The Kyrgyz Presidential administration reported on October 10 that Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan told Kyrgyz President Sadyr Japarov that he is unable to attend the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) Summit in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan on October 13.[26] Pashinyan also stated on October 11 that Russian peacekeepers should return to Russia instead of Russian bases in Armenia if they leave Nagorno-Karabakh


Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 7:51 pm to
quote:

Key Takeaways:

Ongoing localized Russian offensive operations near Avdiivka likely demonstrate the ability of Russian forces ability to learn and apply tactical battlefield lessons in Ukraine. These tactical-level adaptations and successes, however, are unlikely to necessarily translate into wider operational and strategic gains for Russian forces.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and reportedly advanced in both sectors of the front on October 11.

A large number of NATO member states recently announced aid packages to Ukraine against the backdrop of the 16th Ukraine Defense Group Contact Group meeting in Brussels, Belgium on October 11.

Russia’s Federation Council Defense and Security Committee voted to replace Senator Viktor Bondarev with Senator Vladimir Bulavin as Federation Council Defense and Security Committee Head on October 10.

Russian military command continues to celebrate the 810th Naval Infantry Brigade (Black Sea Fleet) for its service in Ukraine, despite claims that the brigade was defeated and reportedly transferred to the Kherson direction.

Armenia continues to ostensibly distance itself from Russia after a decades-long security relationship.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in western Donetsk Oblast, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced in some areas on October 11.

Russian opposition outlet Sever Realii reported on October 11 that Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) representatives may have recruited over 1,000 convicts to serve in the Russian MoD-affiliated Redut private military company (PMC).

Russian occupation authorities are suffering staff shortages at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP).
Posted by BamaSaint
Moh-beel
Member since Mar 2013
3970 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:01 pm to
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southern boarder
quote:

Kill of your adversary
quote:

eat ze bugs




quote:

failing education

Maybe you have a point here
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20973 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 5:35 am to
We're getting some evidence now that the big Russian assault on Avdiivka has, so far, been very costly for Russia, with limited gains.

Russia could still break through, of course, possibly even surrounding Avdiivka, but this now seems increasingly unlikely.

Tatarigami has counted 36 confirmed Russian vehicle losses so far, with him saying that there are likely many more.

Here's what Andrew Perpetua has counted over the last two days (keep in mind that this is across all fronts):

Two days ago:




Yesterday:



I've seen some comparisons to last year's Vuhledar disaster, but that's not exactly right, because Russia didn't take anything at Vuhledar, and they have gained some ground on the flanks of Avdiivka so far.

But so far, I think that Ukrainian sources are much happier than the Russian ones about the results there.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:04 am to
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Putin signed a decree on the mandatory sale of foreign currency earnings by individual exporters on the domestic market.

The Kremlin hopes that such a step will help stabilize the ruble. The decree concerns 43 companies related to various branches of industry and agriculture.

It is not known what percentage of foreign currency earnings exporters will have to sell and which companies will be forced to do so. The decree itself has not been published yet, but it is known that it will be introduced for a period of six months.

LINK
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 10/12/23 at 8:39 am to
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15744 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 8:46 am to
Not exactly the way it is. Israel needs some 155mm shells and a few missiles for its systems MAYBE.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42626 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 8:50 am to
He actually said; “We are coming NEARER to the end of the rope.”

You can read that any way you want to.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 8:56 am to
It looks like this push was hasty, poorly planned and poorly executed.

Hard to say if it's just the initial phases being bloody or a disaster. It's also harder to say if this was a desperate push to get relief in the south or just a pre-planned offensive.

Based on the results thus far, it looks like it was hastily thrown together, rather than carefully planned.
Posted by mattfromnj
New Jersey
Member since Mar 2020
601 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 8:59 am to
quote:

Rybar is a sunshine pumper for the Russian military.

Confirmed gains are minimal, at best, according to all of the mapping sources. That doesn't mean Russia won't break through / can't break through, just that there aren't confirmed breakthroughs yet.

This is a good time to remind everyone of the glorious Russian offensive towards Kupyansk that went nowhere.

This increasingly looks like a deadly but frozen conflict.


In fairness to Rybar a lot of these Russian "milbloggers" have been really accurate and honest throughout the war. I don't speak Russian so I have to find it on twitter/x but people who read their telegram channels say they're generally up front about the reality of what's going on and have even brought to light some high casualty disasters that otherwise would have been covered up (like the 100+ men KIA/WIA when their commander made them gather in formation for a speech well within Ukr rocket range).

Completely agree with you about the war overall. A stalemate that is killing thousands of men on both sides, maiming thousands more, all for gains of a few hundred yards at a time here and there. Sad and depressing.

I don't think either side has the offensive ability to take any new territory, or at least in any significant amount.

I feel bad for the average soldier on both sides. At this point on both sides they're mainly draftees and according to articles I've read on the Russian and Ukrainian sides they're all deemed to be in service until the war ends. A Russian official told a bunch of wives/mothers of the mobilized they were serving until the "conclusion of the SMO" and Ukrainians are signed up for the duration as well with just 10 days of leave per year. Horrible.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42626 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 9:05 am to
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I feel bad for the average soldier on both sides


There is a big difference. The Ukraine soldier is on his home turf fighting an invader to preserve his country.

On the other hand what is the Russian soldier doing? Fighting on a foreign soil and for what?

To carry out the special operation to stop NATO, kill Nazis, stop the Globalists, Russian glory, Putin, or what?
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5652 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 9:10 am to
quote:

He actually said; “We are coming NEARER to the end of the rope.”

You can read that any way you want to.


Kirby is talking about the current funding.
This post was edited on 10/12/23 at 9:24 am
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 9:18 am to
quote:

In fairness to Rybar a lot of these Russian "milbloggers" have been really accurate and honest throughout the war.

They were very accurate until Girkin got snatched up by the FSB.

It's been sunshine pumping ever since. Rybar has been ridiculous for months, IMO.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42626 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 9:27 am to
It’s like the Pink Floyd song, Time.

“And you run and you run to catch up with the Sun, but it’s sinking racing around to come up behind you again. The Sun is the same in a relative way, but you are older. Shorter of breath, and one day closer to death.”

The end is getting nearer for everything.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15744 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:15 am to
quote:

In fairness to Rybar a lot of these Russian "milbloggers" have been really accurate and honest throughout the war.


Not at all. Through the Kherson counteroffensive they were but Putin quashed that accuracy afterwards.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15744 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:34 am to
quote:

They were very accurate until Girkin got snatched up by the FSB.


Even before then they switched the pro Putin propaganda sign on.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38031 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:45 am to
quote:

Completely agree with you about the war overall. A stalemate that is killing thousands of men on both sides, maiming thousands more, all for gains of a few hundred yards at a time here and there. Sad and depressing.

I don't think either side has the offensive ability to take any new territory, or at least in any significant amount.

I feel bad for the average soldier on both sides. At this point on both sides they're mainly draftees and according to articles I've read on the Russian and Ukrainian sides they're all deemed to be in service until the war ends. A Russian official told a bunch of wives/mothers of the mobilized they were serving until the "conclusion of the SMO" and Ukrainians are signed up for the duration as well with just 10 days of leave per year. Horrible.



this is how i feel

i dont like foreign spending on war but to be fair, most is older equipment we were getting rid of. and with russia coming out with the BS about the Balkins and Poland...this is the cheaper of the options. better to allow ukrainians to die defending their land than americans. and cheaper too.

both countries are shite holes, complete and utter disasters. but Russia is the one who essentially started and wont stop, until they do Ukraine is not goign to give up and cant blame them.

it sucks its come to almost complete stalemate but it is what it is.
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