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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/30/23 at 12:12 pm to MoarKilometers
Posted on 9/30/23 at 12:12 pm to MoarKilometers
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by SlimCharles Certified nazi hunter
Shocking. Another unstable, rabid anti semite feigning outrage over muh Nazis. Standard poli board poster.
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Posted on 9/30/23 at 12:19 pm to REG861
still wasting our money
Posted on 9/30/23 at 12:24 pm to Errerrerrwere
You caught me! Douchebag.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 12:25 pm to WhereisAtlanta
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Comparing future EU "financial commitments" to what the US has actually supplied is not the same thing.
What? Where's your number for what the US has actually supplied?
Much of the USAI money went to US military weapons manufacturers to make equipment in the future. A significant amount of it hasn't even been contracted yet. There's a good bit of stuff that won't be delivered for another 18 months.
Example: back in November of last year, we promised Ukraine 250 M117 Guardian vehicles. A couple of weeks ago, it was revealed that the refurbishment process for those vehicles has not yet begun, and we might not deliver them to Ukraine until 2025.
US commitment vs. European commitment is a fair metric. Both have contributed a lot and also have a number of commitments for the future.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 12:50 pm to SlimCharles
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Funny how patriots of Russia are on keyboards outside Russia.
Putin signs a tough new military draft law, banning conscripts from fleeing Russia
Thousands of Russians Flee to Thailand to Escape War
Living In Fear Of The Draft, Russian Emigres In Kazakhstan Have No Plans To Go Home
As many as 200,000 Russians have arrived in Serbia’s capital since Putin invaded Ukraine and called up more troops.
Where have Russians been fleeing to since mobilisation began?
Having Fled War, Russian Emigres in Israel Find Themselves Drafted to IDF
Young Russian men find refuge in Istanbul
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My point is that it's not up to people living outside Ukraine to decide how many Ukrainians dying is justifiable. See reply above.
Agreed. Russia doesnt, but i think everyone here does. No one is forcing Ukrainians to the front line but other Ukrainians. They could all just put down arms if they wanted to but they aren't.
If the you really think the US had that kind of power to force other nationals to fight in a war they don't want to, you don't think we would have used that power in Afghanistan?
Posted on 9/30/23 at 2:18 pm to tigersmanager
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still wasting our money
The $1200 you paid in taxes are really making a difference.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 2:20 pm to LSUPilot07
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What if they don’t consent to submitting to Putin’s rule? How dare they fight back, right? If you’re not a Russian you sure as shite suck Russian cock.
Who are you to tell 1000s of Ukrianians who don't want to fight to die for the nationalist regmime? Ukronationalists will cave if they have no military aid, war will be over and we can go back to wasting money on some other shitehole.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 2:23 pm to WeeWee
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The $1200 you paid in taxes are really making a difference.
What a count you are. $1,200 might matter to him, dipshit.
You should volunteer.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 2:29 pm to REG861
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Shocking. Another unstable, rabid anti semite feigning outrage over muh Nazis. Standard poli board poster.
Calm down. That upset a-hole went through my history to stalk and find a typo. Obviously I wanted to type New Jersey, N and J keys are next to one another. Read the discussion, with typo it doesn't even make any contextual sense.
This kind of chidlish unhingedness and bias affirmation is not a recipe for any kind of discussion.
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Posted on 9/30/23 at 2:35 pm to SlimCharles
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Who are you to tell 1000s of Russians who don't want to fight to die for the nationalist regmime? Russonationalists will cave if they have no military aid, war will be over and we can go back to wasting money on some other shitehole.
ETA I'm really just editing these to show everything you're saying about Ukraine is just as valid in reverse. It's just intriguing that the arguments for Ukraine to stop/stop aiding Ukraine are just as valid for Russia to stop/Iran et al to stop aiding Russia
This post was edited on 9/30/23 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 9/30/23 at 2:46 pm to SlimCharles
They sure as shite look ready to fight to me. No one is forcing them to. They can fold and kneel to Putin but they don’t want to. Who are you to tell them NOT to fight? If you are am American and Russia invaded would you be a pacifist and welcome Putin the sickle and hammer or would you fight? Something tells me you’re the type that would rather live on your knees than die on your feet in your boots.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 2:48 pm to StormyMcMan
One thing is for sure: you can tell from the shifting upvote/downvote ratios that support for aid is dwindling fast.
Government better figure out an off-ramp for this conflict before 2025 or it’s gonna turn into Afghanistan 2: tarragon flavored boogaloo
Government better figure out an off-ramp for this conflict before 2025 or it’s gonna turn into Afghanistan 2: tarragon flavored boogaloo
Posted on 9/30/23 at 2:49 pm to StormyMcMan
@stormy
The argument was over when you said this:
Yes, Ukrainian nationlists want to fertilize the earth, let them, but they do it by themselves. As soon as they started to force conscript people with those press gangs, aid to them should have been cut off. They had 8 rounds of re-mobilizations. Now they're kidnapping men in Lviv and Western Ukraine. Looking at recent footages, they got masked up too because the press crews have been getting killed and assaulted, so they're trying to cover their identitites.
This is the moment US is facing aiding those nationalists:
The argument was over when you said this:
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No one is forcing Ukrainians to the front line but other Ukrainians.
Yes, Ukrainian nationlists want to fertilize the earth, let them, but they do it by themselves. As soon as they started to force conscript people with those press gangs, aid to them should have been cut off. They had 8 rounds of re-mobilizations. Now they're kidnapping men in Lviv and Western Ukraine. Looking at recent footages, they got masked up too because the press crews have been getting killed and assaulted, so they're trying to cover their identitites.
This is the moment US is facing aiding those nationalists:
Posted on 9/30/23 at 2:58 pm to SlimCharles
We helped Russia win WW2. Without our support they would have been fricked. Our big mistake was not listening to Patton and going on to Moscow while we had the forces in Europe already to do it. One of the biggest what-ifs of the century. We should have squashed that bug in 1945.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 3:00 pm to LSUPilot07
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One of the biggest what-ifs of the century. We should have squashed that bug in 1945.
No
You crush the Bolsheviks in the opening period of the civil war. That was your one shot. The Western powers were too exhausted to fight a war against the Soviets in 45, and the political will for it was next to zero, Stalin had been called “Uncle Joe” after all. London and Paris were also deeply compromised by Communist sympathizers.
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Posted on 9/30/23 at 3:05 pm to LSUPilot07
Russia just hit Ukrianian manpower/armor location with Iskander. Looks like Himars on steroids.Lots of armor there, lots of personnel too probably. At leats 12 pieces of vehicles/equipment visible.
This is why Ukrainian "offensive" can never get off.
Video:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/16wdb3p/ru_pov_russian_iskander_missile_strike_in_the/
This is why Ukrainian "offensive" can never get off.
Video:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/16wdb3p/ru_pov_russian_iskander_missile_strike_in_the/
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Posted on 9/30/23 at 3:08 pm to LSUPilot07
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If you are am American and Russia invaded would you be a pacifist and welcome Putin the sickle and hammer or would you fight? Something tells me you’re the type that would rather live on your knees than die on your feet in your boots.
Sadly I feel there are many that cheerlead Putin on, especially on the Politics forum. And the reason they do is even sadder. Putin is seen as being buds with Trump, thus we should root for him and everything he does.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 3:14 pm to SlimCharles
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The argument was over when you said this:
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No one is forcing Ukrainians to the front line but other Ukrainians.
Meh. Think you are over analyzing what I said. I would say that only Americans were forcing Americans to fight in WWI, WWII, Korea, etc
Russians are only forcing Russians to fight in this war just like in Afghanistan for them.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 3:22 pm to SlimCharles
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Russia just hit Ukrianian manpower/armor location with Iskander. Looks like Himars on steroids.Lots of armor there, lots of personnel too probably. At leats 12 pieces of vehicles/equipment visible.
Reality is both sides are releasing videos like this almost daily it feels like. One off videos don't really mean anything and a reason I don't post about most of those strikes. It was interesting when the war started and Ukraine was hitting Russian stockpiles but its become somewhat common place over the last 18+ months.
I mean he'll just on Twitter this morning I scrolled past 4 burned to bone dead Russian soldiers. I'm not about to like it for several reasons, but it's also just 1 video and doesn't mean anything in the big picture. Videos that show where the lines are these days are really or major strikes (like hitting 2 ships in dry dock) are the ones that can actually tell a story by themselves
Posted on 9/30/23 at 3:25 pm to StormyMcMan
@stormy
Or you're underanalyzing and dismissing what you mentioned. Ukrainians forcing other Ukrianians to die for nationalism. When you have to start forcing your own people to die, you're prolonging the inevitable and making yourself weaker long term. Ukriane has no long term future if this war continues, it's a demographic and a macroeconomic fact. You'll need able bodied men to power the economy and support all those hadicapped from war, and it's not like Ukraine was a flourishing economy prior to the war...
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Meh. Think you are over analyzing what I said. I would say that only Americans were forcing Americans to fight in WWI, WWII, Korea, etc
Russians are only forcing Russians to fight in this war just like in Afghanistan for them.
Or you're underanalyzing and dismissing what you mentioned. Ukrainians forcing other Ukrianians to die for nationalism. When you have to start forcing your own people to die, you're prolonging the inevitable and making yourself weaker long term. Ukriane has no long term future if this war continues, it's a demographic and a macroeconomic fact. You'll need able bodied men to power the economy and support all those hadicapped from war, and it's not like Ukraine was a flourishing economy prior to the war...
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