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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/30/23 at 4:54 am to LemmyLives
Posted on 9/30/23 at 4:54 am to LemmyLives
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We should send not one Euro/Dollar more than is sent by the EU to UKR.
Guess what? The EU has sent significantly more than the US. If you add in the UK and Norway, Europe has now contributed over twice what the US has. That's even more true when you separate out the actual money (instead of including donations of old equipment).
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Posted on 9/30/23 at 4:56 am to BoardReader
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 30 September 2023
On 29 September 2023, Russian authorities published footage of President Putin meeting former Wagner Group Chief of Staff Andrei Troshev, tasking him with overseeing and establishing new 'volunteer fighting units. Deputy defence minister Yunus-Bek Yevkurov was also at the meeting.
Around the time of the June 2023 insurrection, Troshev took up a role in the official security forces: Troshev was probably involved in encouraging other Wagner personnel to sign contracts, contributing to the insurrection. Many Wagner veterans likely consider him a traitor.
Yevkurov has recently been pictured touring African states. Presidential endorsement of Troshev and Yevkurov indicates Russia's continuing utilisation of volunteer units and private military companies, and planning for the future of Wagner. It is prepared to draw on the experience of veterans who can demonstrate their loyalty to the state and continued involvement in the Global South, but probably with greater oversight from the Kremlin.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 30 September 2023
On 29 September 2023, Russian authorities published footage of President Putin meeting former Wagner Group Chief of Staff Andrei Troshev, tasking him with overseeing and establishing new 'volunteer fighting units. Deputy defence minister Yunus-Bek Yevkurov was also at the meeting.
Around the time of the June 2023 insurrection, Troshev took up a role in the official security forces: Troshev was probably involved in encouraging other Wagner personnel to sign contracts, contributing to the insurrection. Many Wagner veterans likely consider him a traitor.
Yevkurov has recently been pictured touring African states. Presidential endorsement of Troshev and Yevkurov indicates Russia's continuing utilisation of volunteer units and private military companies, and planning for the future of Wagner. It is prepared to draw on the experience of veterans who can demonstrate their loyalty to the state and continued involvement in the Global South, but probably with greater oversight from the Kremlin.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 5:49 am to GOP_Tiger
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Guess what? The EU has sent significantly more than the US. If you add in the UK and Norway, Europe has now contributed over twice what the US has. That's even more true when you separate out the actual money (instead of including donations of old equipment).
Nah, that’s not true
Posted on 9/30/23 at 7:14 am to Tantal
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They're not trying to build an empire simply for the sake of empire. When the Soviet Union fell they lost all of their geographic blocking positions. What they're trying to do is reestablish those positions. They already got Crimea back in 2014, giving them command of the Black Sea. Now they're going for the Polish Gap/Northern European Plain and Bessarabian Gap to defend themselves against any potential aggression by Western Europe and a re-emerging Turkey, who is set to become a major player again. This is why Russia maintains forces in Transnistria, Armenia, Georgia, and Kazakhstan.
Much of this is 100% truth. Putin is not a communist. Putin is a Tsarist. He is following the history and actions of the tsars. Defense By Depth. He is reestablishing buffer zones. If you want to know how Putin thinks and acts, go back and study the rein/history of Alexander III.
Defense by Depth.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 7:14 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Nah, that’s not true
He's correct when you consider the EU as its own institution AND individual European nations. The EU itself has contributed more than the USA.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 7:20 am to GOP_Tiger
US aid to Ukraine Money pledged to rebuild Ukraine will be given to UK, Norweigan, and EU donor companies if Ukraine survives.
Provide a link showing money contributed to help Ukraine survive
Provide a link showing money contributed to help Ukraine survive
This post was edited on 9/30/23 at 7:26 am
Posted on 9/30/23 at 8:11 am to LSU7096
Right now, I can't find the graph showing that total European commitment is double that of the us, but this graph is useful, showing that commitment directly from the EU itself is greater than the US, before all the individual contributions of the various individual EU countries are added up:
But besides actual amounts contributed, it's important to consider donations in terms of how big the sacrifice is, and the US lags way behind in those terms:
The US is actually contributing relatively little to support Ukraine.
But besides actual amounts contributed, it's important to consider donations in terms of how big the sacrifice is, and the US lags way behind in those terms:
The US is actually contributing relatively little to support Ukraine.
This post was edited on 9/30/23 at 8:12 am
Posted on 9/30/23 at 8:18 am to GOP_Tiger
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“The SMO will continue until the Kyiv regime is completely destroyed, and there will be more new regions within Russia (after it).”
- Dmitry Medvedev, former Russian President and current Deputy Chair of the Security Council of the Russian Federation
"kYiv WaS jUst A fEinT, buT wE wIlL eVeNtuaLlY TaKe KyIv."
Posted on 9/30/23 at 8:20 am to GOP_Tiger
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The US is actually contributing relatively little to support Ukraine.
Interesting.
I guess it makes more sense for neighboring countries to commit more aid for The Ukraine. Mainly the Baltic countries and Poland come to mind on the graph - but Norway doesn't surprise me either.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 8:31 am to Tantal
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Keep in mind that the world that you and I understand is artificial. By historical standards, the last 80 years have been the most peaceful. Once the U.S. is no longer enforcing the global order, which we're losing interest in by the day, everyone will revert back to their old warring, imperialist ways.
Without going too far down this rabbit hole (which IMO would be very interesting one..) it would be interesting to consider the role of modern weapons in this "most peaceful" era you allude to.. in the sense that the range of destruction and death that is available to nations now is also unprecedented .. and what role that played in keeping major powers from engaging each other on the battleground...
Posted on 9/30/23 at 8:35 am to CitizenK
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Japan also have demographic implosion
Japan is in (real or hypothetical, pick your cards accordingly) the 5th stage of the demographic cycle.
For reference this is Japan's population pyramid:
Just wanted to note that
Posted on 9/30/23 at 8:45 am to GOP_Tiger
Interesting that the alleged “pallets of cash” for laundering are coming from the EU, not hunter biden.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 9:02 am to doubleb
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With planes, missiles, rockets, and drones the gaps can’t be plug even if the Russians had enough soldiers.
Russia is using tactics of the past,
Russia is a dinosaur on the world stage. It’s tactics of the past destabilize the world.
Russia could be behaving on the world stage in a similar fashion to Brazil. Comparable population, comparable GDP, blessed with natural resources. For all its problems and faults, the South American continent hasn’t really seen nation state warfare in generations. Because the leaders of Brazil and other South American countries have taken this behavior off the table.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 9:15 am to klrstix
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and what role that played in keeping major powers from engaging each other on the battleground...
It's less about the weaponry and more about the Bretton Woods agreement. We didn't allow our allies to go to war with one another. Europe had been in a state of perpetual war for hundreds of years until the U.S. came in like a parent in 1945, breaking up the fight between siblings. Since then, the only conflicts have been the ironing out of ethnic, religious, economic, and political differences in the former Warsaw Pact. Western Europe had been pretty much burned down and was caught between the USSR and U.S. Only access to the U.S. market allowed them to rebuild. They did what they were told, which was to keep the peace.
This post was edited on 9/30/23 at 9:16 am
Posted on 9/30/23 at 9:22 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Nah, that’s not true
Posted on 9/30/23 at 9:30 am to WestCoastAg
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quote:Nah, that’s not true
Give him a chance to post his numbers.
We are waiting.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 9:54 am to GOP_Tiger
PROMISED AID
NOT REAL AID.
TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
Most of that aid will be funneled back to businesses and their countries.
NOT REAL AID.
TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
Most of that aid will be funneled back to businesses and their countries.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 9:55 am to BoardReader
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They have no right to feel sufficiently comfy in their own borders by demolishing their neighbors. That's not anyone else's problem, but theirs.
I completely agree. I'm not saying that Russia's actions are right, I'm just saying that the plugging of the gaps is the reason.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 9:57 am to GOP_Tiger
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The US is actually contributing relatively little to support Ukraine.
Be serious man.
Posted on 9/30/23 at 10:02 am to GOP_Tiger
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The US is actually contributing relatively little to support Ukraine.
By percentage of each country's GDP, not by percentage of actual aid given?
That comparison is stupid to the point of being completely irrelevant.
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