re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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Still waiting on Klischiivka to be taken. What happened?

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Russia has abandoned the town. Ukraine currently has some troops in part of Klischiivka, but they haven't fully occupied it yet, because Russia is still shelling it. Instead of wasting lives by occupying the city directly while under heavy fire, Ukraine is simply making more progress south of Klischiivka to cut the Russians off and take it with fewer losses.

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All I can say to that is they can go frick themselves, they have been given one of the greatest aid packages in the history of mankind at great expense to the US taxpayers.

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The USA/NATO has given Ukraine a lot of aid, but it has given it too late for it to be effective. Over half of the western MBTs that US/NATO promised have not been delivered but the USA/NATO pushed for the summer counteroffensive anyway. The USA/NATO still have not come up with a plan to provide Ukraine with fighter planes but we still forced them into counteroffensive because we needed to see some progress on their part because Biden and Macron are needing something to help them politically. It is very easy to see how Ukrainians are starting to believe that the west just wants Ukraine not to lose before the next set of elections in the USA and Europe.

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France sent a new batch of SCALP/Storm Shadow missiles with these having a range of about 180 miles versus the 150 miles from previous Storm Shadows sent.


I haven't seen anything on that -- can you post the source?

Because Orikhiv to the Kerch Bridge is 163 miles, so this would be a big deal.

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Meh the Kerch Bridge is not the priority now. The road bridge is down to 1/4 lanes being open. The rail bridge is still operating under weight restrictions and only one track. Granted having Kerch Bridge fall into the sea would be a big morale boost for Ukraine it is not a priority. Those missiles would have an effect on the battlefield if they keep the Chonhar bridge and the replacement pontoon bridges out of action and knocking out the port facilities at Berdyansk.

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I was in a dark and cold place called banland.


Dumb but safer than where we thought. Welcome back.

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Thanks but I did go to Ukraine while I wan in banland.

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Meh the Kerch Bridge is not the priority now. The road bridge is down to 1/4 lanes being open. The rail bridge is still operating under weight restrictions and only one track. Granted having Kerch Bridge fall into the sea would be a big morale boost for Ukraine it is not a priority. Those missiles would have an effect on the battlefield if they keep the Chonhar bridge and the replacement pontoon bridges out of action and knocking out the port facilities at Berdyansk.

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It might not be the top priority at the moment, but Russia will fix the road bridge eventually, and then Ukraine will need to take it out again. And as you say, it would be a huge morale boost.

But here's another way that extra range could make a big difference. The distance from the city of Kherson to Sevastopol harbor is 149 miles.

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quote:We gave Russia way more. What do you say to the Russians who have actually killed our soldiers and aided our enemies? link please for both

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First place I googled: LINK

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Even before the United States entered World War II in December 1941, America sent arms and equipment to the Soviet Union to help it defeat the Nazi invasion. Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today’s currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945 in support of what Stalin described to Roosevelt as the “enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy — bloodthirsty Hitlerism.” 400,000 jeeps & trucks 14,000 airplanes 8,000 tractors 13,000 tanks 1.5 million blankets 15 million pairs of army boots 107,000 tons of cotton 2.7 million tons of petrol products 4.5 million tons of food

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Stalin killing Americans:

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Language Watch Edit Though not officially a belligerent during the Korean War (1950–1953), the Soviet Union played a significant, covert role in the conflict. It provided material and medical services, as well as Soviet pilots and aircraft, most notably MiG-15 fighter jets, to aid the North Korean-Chinese forces against the South Korean-United Nations Forces. Joseph Stalin had final decision-making power and several times demanded North Korea postpone action, until he and Mao Zedong both gave their final approval in spring 1950.

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LINK

Another quick google

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It might not be the top priority at the moment, but Russia will fix the road bridge eventually,

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Then hit it then. Ukraine only has a limited number of those missiles and they need to make them count. Keeping the Chonhar bridge and its replacements out of action as well as the rail ferry facilities in Berdyansk will do a lot more to keep supplies from the front line in the Zap oblast so that Russian troops will be demoralized when Ukraine finally makes its way through the minefields (which it will do eventually).

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But here's another way that extra range could make a big difference. The distance from the city of Kherson to Sevastopol harbor is 149 miles.

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Unless they get lucky and hit a missile storage depo bombing Sevastopol is just a political statement. Politicians made the Ukrainians launch the counteroffensive before they were ready and Ukraine has paid for it. Ukraine should listen to its military people and the foreign military people advising it who can put political aspirations aside and focus on military objectives. It should use it few Storm Shade and Slade missiles to keep the Chonhar bridge, the rail yard and Krasnoperekopsk, the rail yard at Dzhankoi, and the rail bridge over the Kil'tchychya River in Troiany out of action. If Ukraine can cut destroy those and keep Russia from repairing them then they can cut all of the rail lines of supply between Russia and the Zap oblast as well as Crimea and the Zap oblast.

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France sent a new batch of SCALP/Storm Shadow missiles with these having a range of about 180 miles versus the 150 miles from previous Storm Shadows sent.

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Meh the Kerch Bridge is not the priority now.

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[H]ere's another way that extra range could make a big difference. The distance from the city of Kherson to Sevastopol harbor is 149 miles.

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Does the SCALP / Storm Shadow have a powerful enough warhead to pose much danger to a major warship in port? I'm seeing 450 kg / 992 lb, which sounds pretty good, but I wonder whether it could effectively destroy or long-term disable a Russian navy combat ship of significant size (e.g. those corvettes). Info? Thoughts?

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It should use it few Storm Shade and Slade missiles to keep the Chonhar bridge, the rail yard and Krasnoperekopsk, the rail yard at Dzhankoi, and the rail bridge over the Kil'tchychya River in Troiany out of action. If Ukraine can cut destroy those and keep Russia from repairing them then they can cut all of the rail lines of supply between Russia and the Zap oblast as well as Crimea and the Zap oblast.

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Well, all those locations will be within GLSDB range, once those arrive. I posted about that recently. One of the bigger unknowns is whether Ukraine gets those next month or in three months.

But when GLSDB arrives, all the above targets can be hit with it, and the Storm Shadow/SCALP missiles can be saved for hunting strategic targets in southern Crimea.