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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/11/23 at 10:37 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 7/11/23 at 10:37 am to GOP_Tiger
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NATO communique is out. The key passage. “today we recognise that Ukraine’s path to full Euro-Atlantic integration has moved beyond the need for the [MAP]…We will be in a position to extend an invitation to Ukraine to join the Alliance when Allies agree and conditions are met.”
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 10:50 am to GOP_Tiger
From what I understand the requirements for NATO membership is rather rigorous. Meaning that unless they made some seriously big changes they couldn't be added to the list. I think the biggest deal is that they are currently at war, which is a nonstarter.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 10:59 am to ticklechain
The fact that it is even being discussed is such a fail on the part of Putin. Before the invasion NATO wouldn’t even consider Ukraine.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:12 am to OGtigerfan87
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They fact that it is even being discussed is such a fail on the part of Putin. Before the invasion NATO wouldn’t even consider Ukraine.
Not to mention Finland has already joined NATO in 2023, and now Sweden is on the path to membership.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:18 am to GOP_Tiger
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It's so weird to see Biden standing with our Poliboard friends: Ukraine needs more "democritization" (translation = continuing to eliminate corruption). Putting Ukraine into the alliance immediately after the war is over could risk WWIII. Etc.
I don't think it's that complicated. Biden is an elected Democratic president that has managed to keep Republican Representatives and Senators on board with support to Ukraine despite loud objection by the "Poliboard" faction of the Republican party. To keep everyone under the same tent, the Administration has to engage in some tough talk and mixed messaging. To me, the only time this is a negative issue is when it results in delaying necessary hardware support. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter what mixed messages the Administration puts out.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:23 am to TBoy
Russian military blogger Romanov reports that Russian forces left ("surrendered without a fight") the Dacha area near the Antonivskyi bridge while also claiming that Ukrainian forces have established themselves on the left bank of the Konka river just S/SE of Kherson
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This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 11:25 am
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:40 am to IAmNERD
Disclaimer: i dont have exact answer…
However; ukraine has that prototype system which bypasses the local fire control and integrates all disparate air defense systems directly into a centralized system which takes in all radar inputs as well. Lets the systek select the best option to deal with any detected target.
Something tells me this would negate the need for your typical patriot config… but again, this is new tech so im not sure if this is publicly available info or not and i dont claim to have any privileged info. Just an informed guess.
However; ukraine has that prototype system which bypasses the local fire control and integrates all disparate air defense systems directly into a centralized system which takes in all radar inputs as well. Lets the systek select the best option to deal with any detected target.
Something tells me this would negate the need for your typical patriot config… but again, this is new tech so im not sure if this is publicly available info or not and i dont claim to have any privileged info. Just an informed guess.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:06 pm to LSUnation78
Random tweets:
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So they are going to use more cluster bombs???
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Russia's defence minister claims that Ukraine has lost 1,244 tanks and armored vehicles since they launched the offensive last month
Shoigu also says that Ukraine has suffered more then 26 thousand losess.
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Russia continues to block the grain initiative and refuses to conduct inspections of vessels heading to Ukrainian ports for loading.
This is reported by the Ministry of Community Development, Territories and Infrastructure of Ukraine.
"The loading of 85,000 tons of grain for Egypt is now being completed at the port of Odesa. These are the last two bulkers that were waiting to be loaded," –– the ministry writes.
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The window of opportunity for Ukraine to achieve military progress will close by the end of this year due to upcoming elections in the US and other countries.
This was stated by the President of the Czech Republic, Petr Pavel, –– The New York Times reports.
"Everything that will be achieved by the end of this year will be the basis for negotiations," –– Pavel said.
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russia should immediately stop the aggressive war against Ukraine and unconditionally withdraw its troops and equipment from Ukrainian territory.
This is stated in the final communique adopted today in Vilnius during the NATO summit.
In addition, the leaders of the alliance called on all countries "not to provide any assistance to russian aggression" and condemned "all those who actively support russia's war."
A few more statements on the NATO final communiqué:
— The peace in the Euro-Atlantic region has been broken. Russia violated the norms and principles that contributed to the creation of a stable and supposed European security order;
— Alliance leaders fully support Ukraine's right to choose its own security arrangements. The future of Ukraine is in NATO;
— The deepening of Russia's military integration with Belarus, including the deployment of advanced Russian military assets and military personnel in Belarus, has implications for the Alliance's regional stability and defense.
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If the USA supplies cluster munitions to Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces will be forced to use similar means of destruction against the AFU, Defense Minister Shoigu has said.
So they are going to use more cluster bombs???
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:07 pm to StormyMcMan
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In the context of counter-offensive and minefields let's continue the review of the russian manual that offers guidelines for establishing minefields as a countermeasure against Ukrainian mechanized columns.
The manual recommends installing mines on roads, bridges, and off-road areas near tree lines where vehicles may move. Special attention should be given to intersections, where the installation of mixed groups of mines, obstacles, and barricades is recommended.
The process is described as follows: mixed minefields are installed in the front part of the defense line at night. The mining itself is carried out covertly by groups of sappers consisting of no less than 10-15 individuals, allowing for manual placement of mines.
he squad leader with his sapper squad carries 2-4 mines to the designated area and indicates the placing location. After placing the mines, the squad withdraw? back to the storage of the next batch of mines (not more than 30-50 meters away from the minefield boundary).
According to the practical experience outlined in the manual, FAB-250 bombs and S-300 surface-to-air missile warheads were successfully employed as explosive charges to effectively demolish roads.
Sometimes, mines were deliberately installed without camouflage, forcing the AFU to divert their route towards areas where hidden mines are positioned
Russian manual advises to deploy clusters of anti-tank mines in bypass routes adjacent to obstacles such as disabled vehicles, destroyed road sections, and road-bridge structures.
The manual mentions the utilization of the "Uragan" (MLRS) equipped with KPTM-3 cluster mines, as well as the "Zemledelie" remote mining systems, to effectively obstruct the movement of the AFU convoys
The manual emphasizes the effectiveness of nocturnal operations carried out by small sapper groups equipped with night vision means. These groups move further from defensive lines and lay mines in various areas, including previously mine-cleared zones.
The manual may not introduce groundbreaking innovations, but it highlights the enemy's capability to remotely redeploy cleared minefields or deploy them during offensive operations to impede the movement of assaulting forces. This additional factor complicates the assault
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:18 pm to TBoy
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I don't think it's that complicated. Biden is an elected Democratic president that has managed to keep Republican Representatives and Senators on board with support to Ukraine despite loud objection by the "Poliboard" faction of the Republican party. To keep everyone under the same tent, the Administration has to engage in some tough talk and mixed messaging. To me, the only time this is a negative issue is when it results in delaying necessary hardware support. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter what mixed messages the Administration puts out.
The Ukraine war and our military and financial support are like number 72 on the list of shite Americans care about. Nobody cares either way.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
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There are now both Ukrainian and Russian sources confirming the death of Russian Lieutenant General Oleg Tsokov in a Storm Shadow strike in Berdyansk.
Hmm. I did not realize this, from WSJ reporter Yaroslav Trofimov:
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The highest-ranking Russian fatality in Ukraine since the invasion began, he was deputy commander of Southern Mil District
Be
My
Little
General
Yep. That's a three star. Just wondering if any other military guys use that method to remember the general ranks.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:35 pm to northshorebamaman
from UKRINFORM...
Invaders blockade Novooleksiivka, where ammunition depot hit - media
11.07.2023 16:18
The Russian military is not allowing anyone to enter the occupied Novooleksiivka in the Kherson region, where an ammunition depot was hit.
This was reported by Henichesk ua, according to Ukrinform.
"Our readers report on the situation in Novooleksiivka, where last night there was an explosion at the former coal warehouse of the railway station, which was turned into an ammunition depot by the Russians. The detonation lasted over 3 hours. Now the village is calm, but it is blocked by the Russian military - no one is allowed to enter Novooleksiivka," the statement said.
As noted, residents of the houses next to the ammunition depots and the railroad evacuated to the center of Novooleksiivka on their own. After the detonation stopped, Russian soldiers ran around the houses and told people to take their documents and the most necessary things and go to the center of the village.
Invaders blockade Novooleksiivka, where ammunition depot hit - media
11.07.2023 16:18
The Russian military is not allowing anyone to enter the occupied Novooleksiivka in the Kherson region, where an ammunition depot was hit.
This was reported by Henichesk ua, according to Ukrinform.
"Our readers report on the situation in Novooleksiivka, where last night there was an explosion at the former coal warehouse of the railway station, which was turned into an ammunition depot by the Russians. The detonation lasted over 3 hours. Now the village is calm, but it is blocked by the Russian military - no one is allowed to enter Novooleksiivka," the statement said.
As noted, residents of the houses next to the ammunition depots and the railroad evacuated to the center of Novooleksiivka on their own. After the detonation stopped, Russian soldiers ran around the houses and told people to take their documents and the most necessary things and go to the center of the village.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:50 pm to cypher
Details of SCALP missile transfer announced – Reuters
On July 11, Emmanuel Macron stated that France would provide Ukraine with SCALP long-range cruise missiles to help strike the rears of the Russian invaders.
“I have decided to increase deliveries of weapons and equipment to enable the Ukrainians to have the capacity to strike in-depth,” Macron shared while declining to specify how many missiles would be sent.
However, a French military-linked source told reporters that the missiles would be transferred from French military stockpiles, adding that it would be a “significant number.”
The displacement of missiles from the French military reserves means transferring the original version. It is not controlled by export legislation, which limits the sale of weapons with a range of over 300 kilometers. The operational range of “domestic” missiles is 560 kilometers depending on the flight mode.
Another French diplomatic source said that this regards 50 SCALP missiles manufactured by MBDA.
Ukrainian Military Portal
On July 11, Emmanuel Macron stated that France would provide Ukraine with SCALP long-range cruise missiles to help strike the rears of the Russian invaders.
“I have decided to increase deliveries of weapons and equipment to enable the Ukrainians to have the capacity to strike in-depth,” Macron shared while declining to specify how many missiles would be sent.
However, a French military-linked source told reporters that the missiles would be transferred from French military stockpiles, adding that it would be a “significant number.”
The displacement of missiles from the French military reserves means transferring the original version. It is not controlled by export legislation, which limits the sale of weapons with a range of over 300 kilometers. The operational range of “domestic” missiles is 560 kilometers depending on the flight mode.
Another French diplomatic source said that this regards 50 SCALP missiles manufactured by MBDA.
Ukrainian Military Portal
Posted on 7/11/23 at 2:23 pm to cypher
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The displacement of missiles from the French military reserves means transferring the original version. It is not controlled by export legislation, which limits the sale of weapons with a range of over 300 kilometers. The operational range of “domestic” missiles is 560 kilometers depending on the flight mode.
Of course, France could still have the factory take some of the fuel out of the missiles before they are sent to Ukraine. I have wondered what the UK did to Storm Shadow, as the range is definitely restricted. Ukraine hasn't made a real attempt to hit Kerch with Storm Shadow, which leads me to believe that it doesn't have the range. (Ukraine made an attempt with another weapon, claimed to be an S-200 missile.)
So, I'll be very curious if France actually sends SCALP to Ukraine with the range to hit Kerch.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 2:27 pm to GOP_Tiger
Useful clarification on the new German promises. Note that the Dutch and Danes are working with Germany on the Leopard 1s, so this includes the Leo 1s that they are providing in conjunction with Germany.
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Marder IFVs
— 40 already delivered
— 20 announced in May
— 40 announced now
— 100 total
Leopard 1A5s
— 80 until the end of 2023
— 30 in 2024 announced in May
— 25 announced now
— 135 total
Posted on 7/11/23 at 3:56 pm to GOP_Tiger
It’s like Christmas time for Ukraine rn
Posted on 7/11/23 at 4:23 pm to StormyMcMan
Sky News has a couple of serious military analysists (when the network isn't complaining about global warming).
Ukraine War: The case for and against using controversial cluster bombs
Military analyst Sean Bell discusses the reasons why Ukraine wants to use cluster bombs and the case for and against the controversial weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA9CtvE2MQY
Ukraine War: The case for and against using controversial cluster bombs
Military analyst Sean Bell discusses the reasons why Ukraine wants to use cluster bombs and the case for and against the controversial weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA9CtvE2MQY
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 7/11/23 at 4:35 pm to GOP_Tiger
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My first thought about France sending SCALP is that it really increases pressure on Biden to send ATACMS. The UK is no longer alone in sending long-range weapons.
I thought the same as well - or it is being staged this way to ease the decision back home with the UK and now France taking the lead first so the U.S. isn't the "big bad".
The other consideration is that is eases the burden on UK missile stocks as Ukraine does not seem to have been shy in their use previously and this was probably an indicator that more stocks would become available.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 4:43 pm to Auburn1968
To me - using cluster bombs to clear out an invading force and prevent the invader from sending missiles into your country’s residential apartment blocks seems like a no brainer.
Since Russia is guilty of war crimes, which have already been documented, then I don’t see why the debate is necessary. Customs and norms were thrown out the window as soon as Russia started kidnapping the Ukrainian children.
And it’s not as if the excessive use of military force isn’t already happening by one side.
Since Russia is guilty of war crimes, which have already been documented, then I don’t see why the debate is necessary. Customs and norms were thrown out the window as soon as Russia started kidnapping the Ukrainian children.
And it’s not as if the excessive use of military force isn’t already happening by one side.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 4:53 pm to AGGIES
from twitter..
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
Prigozhin announces that Wagner PMC will resume combat operations in Ukraine on August 5th.
Video w translation
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
Prigozhin announces that Wagner PMC will resume combat operations in Ukraine on August 5th.
Video w translation
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