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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/10/23 at 7:55 am to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 7:55 am to
Wow.

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Canadian armored vehicle maker Roshel has delivered over 550 Senator high-tech armored personnel carriers to Ukrainian Armed Forces.

“By the end of this year, it will be over 1000,” senior company representatives said.





A Senator is an IMV like a Humvee, only bigger. Ukraine getting another 500 of them this year is significant.

EDIT: original source
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 8:26 am
Posted by evil cockroach
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:07 am to
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Canadian armored vehicle maker Roshel has delivered over 550 Senator high-tech armored personnel carriers to Ukrainian Armed Forces. “By the end of this year, it will be over 1000,” senior company representatives said.
gonna be a nice Christmas party this year for Roshel and their executives will have awesome vacations
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:26 am to
And some Russian mobiks will have some nice dirt naps, everyone wins!
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:27 am to
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gonna be a nice Christmas party this year for Roshel and their executives will have awesome vacations



And companies that make generators really benefit from hurricanes. Are you saying that arms manufacturers shouldn't make a profit?
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:38 am to
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In a new joint investigation with @mediazona_en and statistician Dmitry Kobak, we use previously unstudied inheritance records to estimate the number of all Russian soldiers killed so far in Ukraine: roughly 47,000 men.

LINK


LINK

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This appears to be a pretty accurate estimate of Russian KIA in Ukraine. Between 40,000-55,000 Russian soldiers KIA at the end of May 2023. If we add DPR - LPR KIA to their work, we are probably closing in on 65,000-70,000 total KIA.

They estimate a 1.7-1 ratio of wounded to KIA. With this estimate, total casualties for the Russian forces are close to 200,000. If the ratio is higher, then total casualties may also be even higher.

LINK


Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:56 am to
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Mick Ryan with a thread on combat engineers and mine clearing activities.



Good thread. I want to quote the article in The Economist that the thread was based on, and talk about it: LINK

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n this game, 50 centimetres can make all the difference. “Tsar”, a 35-year-old veterinarian turned combat engineer, was part of a five-man group demining fields near Robotyne on June 27th. The sappers were three hours into their early-morning mission when artillery duels began. First came the mortars—not in itself a signal to stop working. But then came cluster munitions, which began to explode overhead. “You know where you are with mortars. With clusters you’re in one of two camps: lucky or unlucky.” Tsar escaped with shrapnel injuries in the soft tissue of his backside, from which he is recovering in the local hospital. Five tourniquets could not save his comrade Dima Shulgin, just 50 centimetres to his side. He died from bleeding the next day, aged 35.

The fate of Ukraine’s counter-offensive hinges on the work of its combat engineers. Sappers are the key to breaking through at least three lines of well-planned Russian defences—and nowhere more so than in the open plains of Zaporizhia region, the main focus of Ukraine’s counter-offensive. Progress here is more strategically important than anywhere else. But Russia knows this and has built defences accordingly. The Ukrainian sappers given the job of finding a way through have to deal with around 1,500 mines per square kilometre. That is before Russian artillery, drones, aviation and electronic warfare begin their work. “Sappers have become target number one,” says “Sleepless”, the company commander in charge of the ill-fated mission on June 27th. “It’s a hunt, pure and simple.”

Ukraine changed tactics in the early days of the counter-offensive. An unsuccessful attack southwards from Mala Tokmachka on June 7th saw much of its most capable Western-supplied mine-clearing equipment bogged down—then targeted—in minefields. Now Ukraine throws sappers forward first in small groups of four or five, on foot, in the hope they go undetected; infantry then follows. It is a departure from nato-standard doctrine, which emphasises the role of armour as protection. “This war is making us do non-standard things,” says “Beaver”, who commands the engineering regiment providing sappers to Ukraine’s attack brigades.“We don’t have air cover or plentiful Western equipment, so we risk our people. Small group tactics, like the Finns used in the winter war [of 1939-40].” Surprise tactics were the only way to breach an obstacle course like no other built since the second world war, he said.

The work could not be more dangerous. Much of it is done at dawn. The Ukrainians have night-vision goggles provided by Western partners and local volunteers, but the optics are not perfect. “A sapper’s main weapon is his eye,” says Sleepless. So the engineers move forwards in the early morning at a snail’s pace, eight to ten metres from each other, probing at 45 degrees until they hit metal. All the while, drones hover above, and the sappers are at constant risk of triggering a barrage of artillery. Rain and cloud offer the best conditions, since they reduce visibility from the drones. But in southern Ukraine’s scorching summer, where sunstroke has become a common war affliction, such protection is rare.

The exhausted sappers have to deal with a range of what are known in the profession as “surprises”. These include the entire inventory of Soviet anti-personnel and anti-tank mines; the ozm-72 “toad” mine that jumps out of the ground and releases shrapnel into the midriff; and booby-traps disguised as cigarette packs or attached to corpses. One of the Ukrainian dead in the failed Mala Tochmachka offensive in June was mined, for instance. Three soldiers sent out on an evacuation mission were badly injured when they moved the body. The mission was abandoned.

Much of the Russian engineering work is crafty, reports Tsar. “You can stumble on a trip-wire that would cause an explosion right at the spot your group is following behind you.” But there were examples of shoddy workmanship, too. “Quite often they forget to put a detonator in, or they short-circuit wires.”

The sappers say progress would be much faster if Ukraine had sufficient engineering equipment and air cover to make a mechanical push viable. But the new small-group tactics are achieving modest results. A slow advance has inched Ukrainian positions near Robotyne towards their target of Tokmak to the south, an important rail hub that could put himars rocket-launchers within firing distance of the Russia-Crimea road link. Ukrainians are also applying new technological know-how. Drones equipped with heat sensors are the latest weapons. These seek out Russian mine positions by looking for heat signatures in the 30-60 minutes before sunset, when the metal mines have heated up just enough.
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The snail’s pace of advance means that this phase of the counter-offensive, focused on the attrition of Russian artillery firepower and reserves, may yet take months. Progress is not even, says Beaver; you can’t press ahead too rapidly, or you will be cut off from the flanks.


As the article says, it goes back to the first day of the Ukrainian offensive, when the 47th lost three of their six demining vehicles to a combo of artillery, ambush from infantry with ATGMs (hidden in a treeline), and Russian attack helicopters.

Ukraine will look forward to the forecast of some cloudy/rainy weather later this week.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 9:41 am to
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Erdogan demanded #Turkey's admission to the #EU in exchange for Turkey's agreement to admit #Sweden to #NATO.


Yikes. Hope not. Freedom of movement for Turks into Europe would be a bad idea.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 9:51 am to
This is undoubtedly a dumb question, but I know nothing about landmines.

Does hard, frozen ground have any impact on how well land mines work?

Will these things go boom just as readily in January when there is potentially a layer of ice on and a few inches down into the soil? I assume yes but am genuinely curious.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 9:57 am to
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And companies that make generators really benefit from hurricanes. Are you saying that arms manufacturers shouldn't make a profit?


Everyone but SpaceX should make a profit from the war imo.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:04 am to
Ukraine's defense forces take Bakhmut 'under fire control' - Syrskyi

The enemy is trapped in Bakhmut, with Ukraine's defense forces taking the city "under fire control."

Ukrainian Ground Forces Commander, Colonel-General Oleksandr Syrskyi said this in a Telegram post, according to Ukrinform.

"Bakhmut. The enemy is trapped. The city is under fire control of the Defense Forces," Syrskyi wrote.

UKRINFORM
Posted by ticklechain
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:04 am to
Why not space x? Just curious
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:25 am to
I was being sarcastic. SpaceX had been providing free internet to Ukraine since the beginning of the war to the tune of $20 million per month and when Elon said he couldn’t do that indefinitely a lot of people called him a Putin dicksucker for wanting to get paid for the services he provides.
Posted by ticklechain
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:38 am to
Gotcha. Wasn't sure if he was still providing services to them
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:45 am to
I think the Pentagon finally started paying him last month.
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 11:11 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:16 am to
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a lot of people called him a Putin dicksucker for wanting to get paid for the services he provides.


Well, there's also the fact that Elon regularly parrots false Russian propaganda, but yeah.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:23 am to
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Well, there's also the fact that Elon regularly parrots false Russian propaganda, but yeah.


Maybe that’s why he’s helped kill thousands of Russian soldiers with free communications for the Ukrainian army. He must love them so much.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:25 am to
I think it’s a bit more complex. Spacex likely has a ton of DoD hands in the jar- both on and off the books.
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 11:26 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:35 am to
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Well, there's also the fact that Elon regularly parrots false Russian propaganda, but yeah.


"Pootin Stooge..."

Damn, they are everywhere!
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:22 pm to
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KYIV, July 10 (Reuters) - NATO has decided to drop a requirement for Ukraine to follow a Membership Action Plan (MAP) setting out targets to be met before joining the military alliance, Ukraine's foreign minister said on Monday.


Wonder why this now vs say 6-12 months ago? Not much has changed as far as territory since, and the media reports the counteroffensive has been a failure or minimum lackluster. But now they’ve finally decided to go with this?

Happy for the update, just curious why now vs the previous 6-12 months. What goes into that calculus?
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:24 pm to
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Erdogan demanded #Turkey's admission to the #EU in exchange for Turkey's agreement to admit #Sweden to #NATO.

"First, open the way for Turkey to join the EU, and then we will clear the way for Sweden's NATO bid, just as we did with Finland," the Turkish president said.


This feels like a terrible idea for Europe.

From an identity perspective, can someone more knowledgeable on Turkey enlighten their gain from an identity standpoint? Obvious economic benefit, but identity seems very important here. I thought there was some deal of pride is being that bridge between Europe and Asia and playing the two sides off the other?
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