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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:04 am to
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:04 am to
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the Moskva is on the screen. WTF.

It wasn't sunk. It was converted into a submarine cruiser.
Posted by MrLSU
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:10 am to
How much longer until this war is over and this thread is MIA?
Posted by Hateradedrink
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:15 am to
Latest Q drop says August 6th at 12:37 pm.
Posted by klrstix
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:56 am to


Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:30 pm to
WSJ article today on the offensive:

Article but paywall

Excerpted:

quote:

KURAKHOVE, Ukraine—The Ukrainian 68th Jaeger Brigade spent the past year defending trenches in the country’s east against Russian onslaughts. Last week, they went on the attack.

On Saturday, three platoons from the 68th took the village of Blahodatne from a larger Russian infantry force after a methodical firefight. Men from the Jaeger, used to fighting in fields and hills, said they had trained themselves in house-to-house combat and described using their American-made armored vehicles to blast open a Russian strongpoint. The last Russian defenders ran away through their own minefield. Few made it.

Four of the Jaegers were killed taking Blahodatne, and several were wounded, men from the unit said.

The past week’s battles have also highlighted Russian forces’ problem of low morale, according to several Russian soldiers taken prisoner in recent days who spoke to The Wall Street Journal.

“The battles are fierce, but we are moving forward,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in his nightly address late on Monday. Muddy ground after recent rain is among the difficulties facing troops, he said.

The first week of the offensive has seen probes by small units in several sections of the 600-mile front in Ukraine’s south and east, as troops test for vulnerabilities in Russia’s positions and clear paths for bigger assaults on what lies beyond: a formidable line of Russian fortifications.

Some units have struggled against Russian minefields and airstrikes. The 47th Mechanized Brigade, with many troops and officers freshly trained by U.S. forces in Germany over the winter, suffered heavy losses last week, including a number of German-made Leopard 2 tanks and U.S.-made Bradley Fighting Vehicles.

In next-door Donetsk, however, troops from experienced brigades such as the 68th have made steady progress, driving Russian forces out of a string of villages along the Mokri Yaly River. Starting from around the town of Velyka Novosilka, Ukrainian units are pushing south toward the Russians’ main defensive line, replete with antitank obstacles.

The early battles around Velyka Novosilka are displaying Ukrainian troops’ determination and firepower—the former driven by the country’s suffering since Russia launched its full-scale invasion last year, the latter boosted by the heavy weapons from the U.S. and European allies.

River Offensive
Ukraine recaptured a series of villages down the Mokri Yaly River in the Donetsk region.

Some Ukrainian units have probed well beyond the known front lines. Two soldiers with a reconnaissance unit said they pushed deep into Russian-held territory on Thursday night, fighting against Russian marines. “They were screaming and panicking,” said one of the Ukrainians. “They are quite broken right now” in terms of morale, he said. The Russians retreated, but blew up a small dam, flooding the road and forcing the Ukrainians to pause.

The villages along the Mokri Yaly River, trapped between the two armies for months, were already badly damaged by artillery duels. Hardly any civilians remain. Weeds have taken over the abandoned farmland that stretches all around.

Russian forces are hitting back at the villages they have lost south of Velyka Novosilka with artillery and airstrikes, Ukrainian troops said, but the advance continues.

Several Russian soldiers taken prisoner near Velyka Novosilka, who spoke with the Journal at a detention facility, described their discontent with their commanders’ wasteful use of men and their fear of the Ukrainians’ new weaponry.

One of them, a Russian conscript from Vladivostok in Russia’s far east, said his unit knew exactly when the Ukrainians were coming, having intercepted radio traffic, but could do nothing about it. “Among ourselves, we were saying we won’t be able to withstand the counteroffensive,” he said.

The softly spoken former warehouse worker described a Ukrainian assault near the village of Staromaiorske with a trembling voice. First, mortars and artillery pounded their positions. When U.S.-made MaxxPro armored vehicles opened fire, “it was so intense that you couldn’t raise your head,” he said.

The men to his right fled. Those to his left had gone silent on the radio. He and three comrades remained in a trench. One of the men shot himself. The Vladivostok conscript and another man surrendered. As Ukrainian troops lay them on the ground and bound their hands, the fourth Russian attacked with hand grenades, wounding several Ukrainians before being killed, the Russian prisoner said.

“The combat spirit of fighters at the front line has fallen,” said a rifleman with Russian paramilitary group Storm Z. Russia tried to press its own offensive in Donetsk throughout the winter, but heavy casualties outweighed its meager territorial gains. “We were advancing by quantity, not by quality,” he said. “We were exchanging 10 of our lives for one of theirs.”

A former soldier from St. Petersburg, the rifleman was serving a prison sentence for drug-dealing when Storm Z signed him up with the promise of a pardon if he fought in Ukraine for six months. On the Donetsk front, he and his comrades were threatened with being shot by an antiretreat unit if they refused to advance, he said. He heard one such shooting ordered over the radio, and reported as carried out. “They treat us like livestock,” he said.

The 68th was involved in the long and bloody battle this winter for the nearby town of Vuhledar, where it destroyed a large Russian armored column. The brigade’s second battalion has lost over 100 of its 700 men, said the battalion commander, known by his call sign Dolphin.

Dolphin worked for the Ukrainian central bank until 2014, when he joined the army during Russia’s first invasions of Crimea and Donbas. He has risen to command the battalion as other officers have been killed or wounded.

Last Thursday, after Ukrainian marines had broken through the first Russian lines south of Velyka Novosilka, Dolphin’s battalion was asked to help take Blahodatne, where other troops were having difficulty. The Jaegers were delighted, he said: “We’ve been holding this line for almost a year now, trying to deal with their offense. Now we have a chance to advance.”

Dolphin watched 60 of his men approach the village, using drones hovering above them, on screens at his command post. Engineers had previously cleared a path through a Russian minefield. The Russian force was estimated at well over 100 men, professional soldiers from Arkhangelsk, Dolphin said. Russian artillery covered the defenders.

The firefight took three days. MaxxPros blasted Russians out of a tree line. The Jaegers worked their way through houses and tunnels that the Russians had dug. They took turns sleeping in basements. By Saturday, the Russians were firing from two strongpoints: a school and a community center.

The Ukrainians used a MaxxPro’s .50-caliber gun to rip open a brick wall on the second floor of the community center. They then fired rocket-propelled grenades through the hole, killing many defenders. Ukrainians cleared out the lower floors room by room. The Russians on the top floor, cornered, gave up.

The Jaegers called on the Russians holding the school to surrender. “Do you want to go home?” they shouted in Russian. The reply was a hail of bullets. But the Russians ran out of ammunition. The survivors ran out of a rear exit, through the minefield. Only two escaped, said Jaegers involved in the action.


Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:45 pm to
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The softly spoken former warehouse worker described a Ukrainian assault near the village of Staromaiorske


First comment is that we have no statements yet from either side that Ukraine controls Staromaiorske, but we obviously have a Russian POW from a battle there.

Secondly, letting reporters into Blahodatne (there are other reporters from there now) means that the front line has been pushed considerably further. This is absolutely correct:



EDIT: Russia may have pushed reinforcements onto this axis and slowed the Ukrainian advance, but Ukraine is quite obviously still advancing in this sector.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 12:47 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:51 pm to
Official announcement of new DoD military aid to Ukraine:

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It includes key capabilities to aid Ukraine’s efforts to retake its sovereign territory and support Ukraine’s air defenders as they bravely protect Ukraine’s soldiers, civilians, and critical infrastructure, as well as artillery, anti-armor systems, and ammunition valued at up to $325 million.

The capabilities in this package include:

- Additional munitions for National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS);
- Stinger anti-aircraft systems;
- Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
- 155mm and 105mm artillery rounds;
- 15 Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles;
- 10 Stryker Armored Personnel Carriers;
- Javelin anti-armor systems;
- Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) missiles;
- AT-4 anti-armor systems;
- Over 22 million rounds of small arms ammunition and grenades;
- Demolition munitions for obstacle clearing;
- Tactical secure communications support equipment;
- Spare parts and other field equipment.


Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 12:57 pm to
The UK continues to heavily support Ukraine:

LINK

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A new package of vital air defence capabilities for Ukraine was announced today at a meeting of defence ministers from the Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF).

The equipment, worth £92 million, will be procured in the coming months through the International Fund for Ukraine (IFU) to bolster Ukraine’s ability to protect its critical national infrastructure, civilian population, and front-line personnel. The package will provide radars to help protect from indiscriminate Russian strikes as well as guns and a significant amount of ammunition.

quote:

The UK has contributed a further £250 million to the International Fund for Ukraine and, with allies and partners, through the fund we are providing a package of air defence to help Ukraine protect their critical national infrastructure and defend against indiscriminate Russian air strikes.

The IFU uses financial contributions from international partners to procure priority military assistance for Ukraine. This will ensure the continued supply of military support – lethal and non-lethal – to Ukraine through 2023 and beyond.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 1:04 pm to
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crazy4lsu


Upvoted Japan post, just didn’t want to keep going off track of the main purpose of the thread. As usual, appreciate the discussions.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 1:07 pm to
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The Russian state had nothing to do with the events in Donbas in 2014.


Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 1:09 pm to
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The Chinese would have to attempt a huge seaborne assault for Taiwan eventually but they would no doubt start by using their missiles both from land and on their ships to hit military targets like airfields, command buildings and ammunition dumps as well as fuel storage areas. This would coincide with China using their Air Force to hit targets much like their land/ship missiles would and they would try to neutralize Taiwan’s Air Force. Then and only then could they think about assaulting from the sea because if Taiwan still had good aviation and missile stocks they would annihilate tens of thousands of Chinese soldiers before they ever stepped foot on dry land. The other huge question is would China attack our base in Guam before an attack on Taiwan. That would open up a whole new can of worms. I’m the end I don’t think China will or can invade Taiwan. The world needs Taiwan’s resources and losing them to the control of China would be devastating economically so if you think Ukraine has received support it wouldn’t even hold a candle to what the world would do to keep Taiwan independent of China.


That’s what I figured

I think Taiwan would be majorly supported, just the support would be led by different nations, like Japan and SK. I think it would have to be majorly air defense and anti ship more so than tanks and vehicles that we’ve seen in Ukraine. That brings us back to what we’ve sort of learned in Ukraine, drones to take out air defense munitions are much cheaper than the air defense itself. China can produce and produce the cheap drones to exhaust air defense.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:20 pm to
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The Russian state had nothing to do with the events in Donbas in 2014.


By the way, Putin saying this is what drives Girkin's bitterness. He risked his neck to separate Luhansk and Donetsk from Ukraine, and he did it for the glory of Russia, and he sees idiots like pilots who accidentally bump into a Sea Eagle drone get Hero of Russia medals, and he still gets nothing, because Putin still wants to pretend.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:38 pm to
Taiwan is filled with bunkers. It even has aircraft hangers under mountains.

The islands near the coast of China which are part of Taiwan traded artillery attacks daily with China for years.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 2:40 pm
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5889 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:40 pm to
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I think Taiwan would be majorly supported, just the support would be led by different nations, like Japan and SK. I think it would have to be majorly air defense and anti ship more so than tanks and vehicles that we’ve seen in Ukraine. That brings us back to what we’ve sort of learned in Ukraine, drones to take out air defense munitions are much cheaper than the air defense itself. China can produce and produce the cheap drones to exhaust air defense.


The reality of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan is frankly too awful for me to really entertain, and I just hope cooler heads prevail.

To me the big difference is Russia thought it could extort the west into acquiescence through energy extortion, primarily of Europe.

Europe’s ability to pivot was frankly incredible, and Russian integration into the global economy wasn’t nearly as imbedded as it needed to be for Russia’s plan to work.

China, on the other head, really is in a position to bring severe economic pain to the collective west. It would bring itself similar or even worse pain, but that conflict would rewrite the global economy and the writing process would be awfully painful in even the best case scenarios.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 2:56 pm to
MARINKA, Ukraine — It wasn’t even 8 a.m. and Capt. Fritz, a Ukrainian infantry officer, had already smoked a half-dozen cigarettes. He’s 24, but his pale blue eyes seemed older than his years, reflecting the weariness of war but also maybe something else, perhaps a flicker of mischief.

He crouched in a trench, head cocked. If he stood up, he could be easily shot by Russian snipers concealed in a thick tree line a few hundred yards away. The trench walls and mud floor shook from explosions, the steady pounding of Russian artillery that erupts each day at dawn with an almost absurd regularity.

“See those bushes?” said Capt. Fritz, who identified himself by his call sign, as many Ukrainian soldiers do. “That’s where some Russians are hiding. I want to wish them good morning.” He jumped out of the trench with a grenade launcher perched on his shoulder. “Good morning, you … !” he shouted and then let loose a succession of swear words in three languages — Ukrainian, Russian and English — before blasting the grenade.

Outnumbered, outgunned, out-tanked and nearly surrounded, a small group of Ukrainian soldiers are doing whatever they can to hold onto Marinka, a small, strategic city that has been reduced to a heap of smoking rubble and is now a few blocks from falling. The soldiers here fight house to house, room to shot-up room, so close they can hear one another’s cries for help.

All along the eastern front line, clashes are intensifying as Ukraine’s long-awaited counteroffensive to take back captured land gets underway, and some of the fiercest battles are being waged right now over a string of eastern towns — Avdiivka, Vuhledar, Chasiv Yar and Marinka. The fate of the war turns on none of these places. Yet each matters. Even as Ukrainian forces make gains in some areas, they remain on the defensive in others. If the Ukrainians lose another town, it could be a doorway for the Russian army to pour through.

In Marinka, the Ukrainians say the Russians have stepped up their attacks in recent days, throwing more soldiers and armored vehicles into the fight to break through the front line. The Ukrainian forces trying to hold them back are the 79th Air Assault Brigade, better known by their nickname, “The Cyborgs.” The Cyborg legend goes back to 2014, when long-standing tensions between Russia and Ukraine suddenly exploded in this eastern region, the Donbas, a vast, mineral-rich area on the border with Russia. The 79th Brigade was hunkered down in an airport in Donetsk, the biggest city in the Donbas, trying to fight off an onslaught by separatist proxy forces and Russian troops backing them. The airport was taking fire from all sides.

The story goes that Ukrainian officers intercepted radio traffic between the rebels and their Russian commanders saying they couldn’t believe that the Ukrainian soldiers were still fighting and that they must be “cyborgs,” half man, half machine. The name stuck, and the Cyborgs’ last stand at the Donetsk airport went down among Ukrainians as one of the early war’s most heroic battles even though they eventually lost it.

Nine years later, the Cyborgs find themselves again with their backs against the wall. Powered by patriotism, fatalism and an almost desperate bravado, along with lots of cigarettes and unhealthy energy drinks, they have been pushed back to a few smashed blocks on Marinka’s western edge.

The Ukrainians are so desperate to protect themselves from Russian shelling that when they find a house that is still standing, or at least has a few intact walls, the first thing they do is rip up the floor and dig. Building a hideout underground is the only way to survive, they said. They live in a warren of tunnels and pulverized basements, in the dark, like moles. “The Russians outnumber us 4 to 1 in soldiers, 6 to 1 in artillery,” Capt. Fritz said. “Some of their guys are real professionals — you can see it in how they move, their tactics, how their tanks advance two by two.”

“But others,” he shook his head, “they’re just gun meat.”


You go brother! SLAVA UKRAINI!

LINK
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 2:58 pm
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:34 pm to
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MrLSU


Hey its the BRICs guy. Keep the faith man!
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:34 pm to
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This guy has 158k followers who eagerly lap up the absolute BS that he regularly puts out.


What a clown - as much as I would like to see Ukraine make this sort of progress this is wish casting at best, clickbait profiteering at worst, with acting as a propaganda account for one of the belligerents somewhere in the middle.

Based on their post history and how much they retweet posts asking for donations I lean towards the clickbait option.

Edit: Clarity
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 3:36 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:47 pm to
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The Ukrainians used a MaxxPro’s .50-caliber gun to rip open a brick wall on the second floor of the community center. They then fired rocket-propelled grenades through the hole, killing many defenders.


Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 4:03 pm to
How much longer until the Dollar is rendered a useless currency?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 4:06 pm to
Funny how the joke in the 1980's for Chinese purchase of old obsolete US chemical plants was that payment was in fish heads not dollars.

So I guess their currency is a facsimile of an Acme Brick.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 4:08 pm
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