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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:19 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:19 pm to GOP_Tiger
Ukraine would be very wise to utilize the night and attack. They have a huge advantage in thermal imaging on their equipment and for infantry units. As long as they have the forces in the north they can really make gains in that area. It has to be the least defended. You can still attack in the south where the major Russian defenses are but the name of the game is take your land back from the invaders wherever that may be. Put the squeeze on them from top to bottom.
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Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:57 pm to LSUPilot07
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Ukraine would be very wise to utilize the night and attack
They have smaller units that can do that but not the larger Batt/Brigade sized elements. Thats tough stuff man even with all the tech.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:02 pm to Lakeboy7
Isw update
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Key Takeaways
Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations in at least four areas of the front on June 10.
Russian forces in Zaporizhia Oblast are continuing to defend against Ukrainian attacks in accord with sound tactical defensive doctrine.
Russian milbloggers continue to highlight reported superior Russian electronic warfare (EW) capabilities as key to disrupting Ukrainian attacks.
Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces have tactical advantages in conducting assaults at night due to Western-provided equipment with superior night optics systems.
Russian sources continue to highlight the role of scarce military district-level Russian TOS-1A thermobaric artillery systems in defending against Ukrainian counteroffensive operations, though Ukrainian forces destroyed at least two of these key systems in recent days.
Ukrainian forces are currently attempting an extraordinarily difficult tactical operation – a frontal assault against prepared defensive positions, further complicated by a lack of air superiority – and these initial assaults should not be extrapolated to predict all Ukrainian operations.
Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov established a clear rhetorical line between criticizing the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and criticizing Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Russian forces targeted a Ukrainian operational airfield during another missile and drone strike on Ukraine on the night of June 9 to 10.
Russian forces made marginal advances northeast of Kupyansk and continued ground attacks near Kreminna.
Russian and Ukrainian forces both continued ground attacks in the Bakhmut area.
Russian forces continued limited ground attacks along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
Ukrainian forces continued limited ground attacks near the administrative border between Donetsk and Zaporizhia oblasts and have made marginal gains in the area as of June 10.
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) announced on June 10 that it plans to formalize the organization of volunteer formations.
Russia is further consolidating a centralized media apparatus in occupied areas.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
Interesting information, especially if you look at Brady Africk's Russian fortification map.
https://read.bradyafrick.com/p/russian-field-fortifications-in-ukraine (Click on map)
Still very early and it remains to be seen if this develops further but it looks like they are attempting to break through in this direction (first map) as it is one of the more lightly fortified regions (second map), with only really the single line of fortifications as opposed to multiple layers.
If they can get to Nikolske they can bypass much of the fortification into Berdyans'k as that is concentrated in the Melitopol direction and also threaten Mariupol as noted and also means Russia's Melingot line is essentially worthless.
Edit: Clarity
https://read.bradyafrick.com/p/russian-field-fortifications-in-ukraine (Click on map)
Still very early and it remains to be seen if this develops further but it looks like they are attempting to break through in this direction (first map) as it is one of the more lightly fortified regions (second map), with only really the single line of fortifications as opposed to multiple layers.
If they can get to Nikolske they can bypass much of the fortification into Berdyans'k as that is concentrated in the Melitopol direction and also threaten Mariupol as noted and also means Russia's Melingot line is essentially worthless.
Edit: Clarity
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:08 pm to OutsideObserver
https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1667230995760701440
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Report of Gen Tarnavsky, commander of AFU Tavria Operational and Strategic Group, that gives an idea of the scale of the fighting along the front line in southern Ukraine.
In his evening address President Zelensky called these battles “especially difficult”.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:08 pm to OutsideObserver
You know it’s looking tough if ISW is saying this:
“Ukrainian forces are currently attempting an extraordinarily difficult tactical operation – a frontal assault against prepared defensive positions, further complicated by a lack of air superiority – and these initial assaults should not be extrapolated to predict all Ukrainian operations.“
“Ukrainian forces are currently attempting an extraordinarily difficult tactical operation – a frontal assault against prepared defensive positions, further complicated by a lack of air superiority – and these initial assaults should not be extrapolated to predict all Ukrainian operations.“
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:11 pm to Stidham8
Yea its a slug fest in certain areas. But we're in the 4th round of the fight with 11 more to go. Sounds like Ukraine is loosening up the information pipeline to counter balance Russia's complete control of the information space since the offensive started.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:11 pm to Obtuse1
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MT-GLEO.
shite I just cashed out.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:14 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Staromlynivka
This thread is a real good brain exercise for me. I read this thread, see a town name, switch over to google maps, and try and remember how to spell the town name I was just reading about.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:14 pm to Chromdome35
Named after 2 MOH winners
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1667641393056034818
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1667641393056034818
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??The ????US Army introduced the name of its newest tank - M10 "Booker".
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:17 pm to ned nederlander
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This thread is a real good brain exercise for me. I read this thread, see a town name, switch over to google maps, and try and remember how to spell the town name I was just reading about.
Then find several with the same name and nowhere near the front
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:18 pm to Chromdome35
I see your Tu-95 and raise you a B2
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1667587674234863618
https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1667587674234863618
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??????American stealth strategic bomber B-2 Spirit flies over Miami, Florida
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:25 pm to OutsideObserver
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Still very early and it remains to be seen if this develops further but it looks like they are attempting to break through in this direction (first map) as it is one of the more lightly fortified regions (second map), with only really the single line of fortifications as opposed to multiple layers.
Right. But do keep in mind that the single line of fortifications is on the upslope of a ridge, so Ukraine will still need to fight uphill to reach it -- and they aren't even close yet.
Still, it may be easier than fighting through a multi-layered defense across flat, mostly treeless land where enemy drones can easily spot armored vehicles for artillery. That's what Ukraine is trying to do south of Orikhiv. And I think that Russia also has significantly more troops in the Orikhiv-Tokmak area as well -- that was widely expected to be the main axis.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:33 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Whoa. Major progress for Ukraine in southern Donetsk.
One thing the Russian ??? riders forget is these static defenses are like an egg once you break through the hard thin shell it is soft inside.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:37 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Ukraine as a whole is collapsing
Wut?
One day they are saying it is a sham war and point to life going on in a Mcdonald's in Kyiv the next the entire country is collapsing.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:41 pm to ned nederlander
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This thread is a real good brain exercise for me. I read this thread, see a town name, switch over to google maps, and try and remember how to spell the town name I was just reading about.
It would be nice if every Ukrainian and Russian town name were automatically hyperlinked to Google Maps.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Right. But do keep in mind that the single line of fortifications is on the upslope of a ridge, so Ukraine will still need to fight uphill to reach it -- and they aren't even close yet.
Agreed, the real test, if this is their main axis rather than a feint, will be when they get to the fortifications proper. I anticipate an absolute pounding from artillery in that area to begin soon if a break through here is their objective.
One thing that seems to be not be being focused on is the amount of work Ukraine did to disrupt supply and logistics in both the lead up to, and since, the counter offensive kicking off - there have been a few rumbles on Russian Telegram accounts of ammunition being a priority.
It is also interesting how much Tokmak was under fire prior to kick off - Russia was leaning towards a push towards Melitopol and the Ukrainians leant into it in the preceding weeks with their strikes there I believe.
Edit: Clarity
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:56 pm to OutsideObserver
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Agreed, the real test, if this is their main axis rather than a feint, will be when they get to the fortifications proper. I anticipate an absolute pounding from artillery in that area to begin soon if a break through here is their objective.
Maybe. Depends on how much artillery and men Russia has in that area. And that's what we don't know. I feel confident that it's less heavily manned than the area around Tokmak, but how much lighter is the question.
EDIT: And if Russia has already committed its reserves or not.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:58 pm to OutsideObserver
Simonyan was on Solovyov's evening show saying "when" they win it will be the greatest victory in Russia's history.
Evstafiev took the cake though saying Ukrainians don't feel pain because they are undead. Dehumanizing the other side's military is a constant and all militaries have done it for millennia but this one takes the cake, at least in modern times.
YT
Evstafiev took the cake though saying Ukrainians don't feel pain because they are undead. Dehumanizing the other side's military is a constant and all militaries have done it for millennia but this one takes the cake, at least in modern times.
YT
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:08 pm to Obtuse1
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Evstafiev took the cake though saying Ukrainians don't feel pain because they are undead. Dehumanizing the other side's military is a constant and all militaries have done it for millennia but this one takes the cake, at least in modern times.
I guess...I heard similar stuff constantly about Wagner.
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