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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:44 pm to Lakeboy7
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:44 pm to Lakeboy7
You are 100% correct about Von Braun, we just really crossed our fingers and prayed he didn’t kill Jews for fun, but we didn’t look real hard either. Basically our moon rocket is a modified V-2. He always said all he ever wanted to do was to go to Mars and didn’t care what the Nazis did as long as they let him built rockets and admitted he heard rumors about the death camps but rarely left his lab. He also said that they got their ideas for their advanced weapon system from “the others” make of that what you will.
In America he was a model citizen, father of NASA and winner of the race to the moon, and a very likeable guy
In America he was a model citizen, father of NASA and winner of the race to the moon, and a very likeable guy
Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:27 am to StormyMcMan
From Russian Telegram
https://t.me/cmiye/10953
https://t.me/cmiye/10950
https://t.me/cmiye/10935
https://t.me/cmiye/10953
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At night, our positions were subjected to strong pressure from the enemy in the Orekhovskoye direction. The enemy rolled in waves. At least two attacks were repulsed by our military. An unprecedented amount of aviation was in the sky. Apparently, as we all assumed, the task of the Ukrainian was to break through to Tokmak, Melitopol, Berdyansk in order to cut the land corridor to the Crimea. All forces are now rushing there. The enemy managed to take several heights, but on the whole there was no deep breakthrough that night. Eyewitnesses write from there that the enemy is throwing unit after unit into battle. Lots of technology. Our aviation works in a carousel. Many have been destroyed. There is a real harvest.
https://t.me/cmiye/10950
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??After this difficult night in the Orekhovsky sector, the fighters of the 42nd Motor Rifle Division and the 58th Army valiantly withstood the first powerful grunt, preventing a breakthrough. The data on the number of losses of the enemy and the forces involved are still abrupt, but he lost a lot of armored vehicles on this throw.
The roll-up nevertheless continued in the morning, albeit less intense. Painfully, the enemy was preparing to start.
It is also reported on the Russian aviation involved to consolidate the situation.
https://t.me/cmiye/10935
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?? The situation on the Zaporozhye front, addition.
The enemy forces, up to a company in number, went on the attack on the settlement of Lobkovoe, managed to gain a foothold on the outskirts of the settlement, on the territory of Lobkovoe, the enemy was ambushed and lost 4 tanks, 4 infantry fighting vehicles, losses in manpower up to 40 people.
Having lost the support of some of the heavy equipment, the enemy infantry is forced to act independently, and the shooting battle continues right now.
Enemy reserves are regrouping and preparing an attack on Nesteryanka.
In the area of the "Vremievsky salient" the enemy plans to continue the tactics of "softening" the positions of the RF Armed Forces (translated from the ukrovenny, the tactics of "erasing" the territorial defense against the defense of the RF Armed Forces), in order to cling to advantageous positions and bring the main forces into battle, it is planned to attract the 110th brigade of the territorial defense , as a reinforcement.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:29 am to Chromdome35
Rybar's update
https://t.me/rybar/48202
https://t.me/rybar/48202
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?????????? Highlights of Russian Military Operation in Ukraine on June 7
??As the situation around the Kakhovka HPP destruction aggravated, a state of emergency was introduced across the Kherson region.
Despite the gradual reduction in the amount of water in Nova Kakhovka, the situation remains difficult for the settlements downstream.
??In the Bryansk region, the AFU attempted to attack a transformer plant in the village of Suzemka.
A drone dropped a munition, but the destruction at the plant was avoided.
??The enemy continues to use drones to attack border areas of Kursk region.
A power substation in the village of Popovo-Lezhachi was hit: one person was injured.
??The AFU once again launched an artillery strike on border settlements of the Belgorod region.
The town of Shebekino came under massive enemy fire: residential buildings and infrastructure were damaged.
??At the same time, Ukrainian saboteurs continue to operate in the border area of Belgorod Region.
A group that tried to organize the evacuation of vehicles abandoned during an unsuccessful offensive was killed near Novaya Tavolzhanka.
??The situation has stabilized in the area of the Vremivka salient. The AFU, which suffered heavy losses, are not actively attacking.
Russian troops withstood the three-day onslaught and have full control of the situation in this section of the front.
??In the Zaporizhzhia direction, the AFU assault groups launched a series of attacks at the Orikhiv-Kam'yans'ke line.
According to preliminary data, none of them were successful: after losing a fair amount of armor, the enemy withdrew to its original positions.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 4:21 am to Chromdome35
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 8 June 2023
Amidst a highly complex operational picture, heavy fighting continues along multiple sectors of the front. In most areas Ukraine holds the initiative.
Russian forces are likely still being ordered to return to the offensive as soon as possible: Chechen units have led an unsuccessful attempt to take the town of Marivka, near Donetsk city, where the front line has changed little since 2015.
Through 07 June 2023, flood levels continued to rise in the lower Dnipro, following the collapse of the Kakhovka Dam, but will likely start to recede during 08 June 2023. Shelling has complicated some attempts to evacuate displaced civilians from inundated areas.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 8 June 2023
Amidst a highly complex operational picture, heavy fighting continues along multiple sectors of the front. In most areas Ukraine holds the initiative.
Russian forces are likely still being ordered to return to the offensive as soon as possible: Chechen units have led an unsuccessful attempt to take the town of Marivka, near Donetsk city, where the front line has changed little since 2015.
Through 07 June 2023, flood levels continued to rise in the lower Dnipro, following the collapse of the Kakhovka Dam, but will likely start to recede during 08 June 2023. Shelling has complicated some attempts to evacuate displaced civilians from inundated areas.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 4:36 am to cypher
Kakhovka Reservoir drains by 1 metre overnight, average flood level in Kherson Oblast is 5.6 metres
Iryna Balachuk — Thursday, 8 June 2023, 09:00
The water level of the Kakhovka Reservoir near Nikopol is 13.05m as of 08:00 on 8 June. The reservoir has drained by almost one metre over the past day, and the water level continues to fall.
Source: Ukrhydroenergo, the national hydro power plant regulator; Oleksandr Prokudin, Head of Kherson Oblast Military Administration, on Telegram; Oleksandr Sienkevych, Mayor of Mykolaiv, on Telegram
Quote from Ukrhydroenergo: "The water level in the Kakhovka Reservoir has decreased by almost a metre over the past day. Currently, the spillway dam and the earthen insert between the plant building and the lock are still in the process of being destroyed."
Details: It was reported that currently, Ukrhydroenergo together with Ukrenergo are developing possible scenarios to reduce the negative aftermath of the destruction of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant (HPP).
In particular, they are adjusting the operating mode of hydroelectric power plants and accumulating water above the Kakhovka HPP in other reservoirs of the Dnipro dam cascade in order to reduce flooding in the country's south.
Additionally, Ukrhydroenergo and the design institute Ukrhydroproject are working on a project to build a cofferdam (damming) at the Kakhovka Reservoir to restore the water level to what it was before the HPP was blown up.
Ukrainska Pravda
Iryna Balachuk — Thursday, 8 June 2023, 09:00
The water level of the Kakhovka Reservoir near Nikopol is 13.05m as of 08:00 on 8 June. The reservoir has drained by almost one metre over the past day, and the water level continues to fall.
Source: Ukrhydroenergo, the national hydro power plant regulator; Oleksandr Prokudin, Head of Kherson Oblast Military Administration, on Telegram; Oleksandr Sienkevych, Mayor of Mykolaiv, on Telegram
Quote from Ukrhydroenergo: "The water level in the Kakhovka Reservoir has decreased by almost a metre over the past day. Currently, the spillway dam and the earthen insert between the plant building and the lock are still in the process of being destroyed."
Details: It was reported that currently, Ukrhydroenergo together with Ukrenergo are developing possible scenarios to reduce the negative aftermath of the destruction of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant (HPP).
In particular, they are adjusting the operating mode of hydroelectric power plants and accumulating water above the Kakhovka HPP in other reservoirs of the Dnipro dam cascade in order to reduce flooding in the country's south.
Additionally, Ukrhydroenergo and the design institute Ukrhydroproject are working on a project to build a cofferdam (damming) at the Kakhovka Reservoir to restore the water level to what it was before the HPP was blown up.
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 6/8/23 at 4:44 am to cypher
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In particular, they are adjusting the operating mode of hydroelectric power plants and accumulating water above the Kakhovka HPP in other reservoirs of the Dnipro dam cascade in order to reduce flooding in the country's south.
Interesting, there has been a lot of noise, mainly from Russian channels, about Ukraine not closing the Dnipro dam up to reduce water movement downriver past the breach, and that this was some how proof that they were the ones behind the dam failure.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:19 am to Chromdome35
The orcs are panicking slava
Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:50 am to cypher
Russian elite no longer believes that Putin will win the war - Bloomberg
Iryna Balachuk — Thursday, 8 June 2023, 12:18
Representatives of the Russian elite - even those who support the Russian invasion of Ukraine - have lost faith in Putin's ability to win the war and are considering a "frozen" conflict to be the best option for the Kremlin now, writes Bloomberg.
Source: Bloomberg with reference to seven people familiar with the situation who wished to remain anonymous.
Quote from Bloomberg: "A mood of deepening gloom is gripping Russia’s elite about prospects for President Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine, with even the most optimistic seeing a ‘frozen’ conflict as the best available outcome now for the Kremlin.
Many within the political and business elite are tired of the war and want it to stop, though they doubt Putin will halt the fighting. While nobody’s willing to stand up to the president over the invasion, absolute belief in his leadership has been shaken by it."
Details: The publication's sources believe that the most favourable prospect would be negotiations at the end of the year, turning the conflict into a frozen one and allowing Putin to proclaim a Pyrrhic victory for the Russians, retaining part of the occupied Ukrainian territories.
Quote from Kirill Rogov, ex-adviser to the Russian government who left the country after the invasion began: "They are afraid to become scapegoats for a meaningless war. It is really surprising how widespread among the Russian elite became the idea of a chance that Putin won’t win this war."
Details: The publication believes that growing despondency will likely increase the shifting of responsibility for the failed invasion, which has already led to acute social divisions.
More Details
Iryna Balachuk — Thursday, 8 June 2023, 12:18
Representatives of the Russian elite - even those who support the Russian invasion of Ukraine - have lost faith in Putin's ability to win the war and are considering a "frozen" conflict to be the best option for the Kremlin now, writes Bloomberg.
Source: Bloomberg with reference to seven people familiar with the situation who wished to remain anonymous.
Quote from Bloomberg: "A mood of deepening gloom is gripping Russia’s elite about prospects for President Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine, with even the most optimistic seeing a ‘frozen’ conflict as the best available outcome now for the Kremlin.
Many within the political and business elite are tired of the war and want it to stop, though they doubt Putin will halt the fighting. While nobody’s willing to stand up to the president over the invasion, absolute belief in his leadership has been shaken by it."
Details: The publication's sources believe that the most favourable prospect would be negotiations at the end of the year, turning the conflict into a frozen one and allowing Putin to proclaim a Pyrrhic victory for the Russians, retaining part of the occupied Ukrainian territories.
Quote from Kirill Rogov, ex-adviser to the Russian government who left the country after the invasion began: "They are afraid to become scapegoats for a meaningless war. It is really surprising how widespread among the Russian elite became the idea of a chance that Putin won’t win this war."
Details: The publication believes that growing despondency will likely increase the shifting of responsibility for the failed invasion, which has already led to acute social divisions.
More Details
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:08 am to cypher
There's not a ton of news this morning from the main action on the Zaporzhzhia front. This quote in the Washington Post, from a Ukrainian officer fighting on that front, seems to sum it up:
From what I can tell, both Russian and Ukrainian sources agree that Ukraine has made some advances, but has not achieved any significant breakthroughs yet.
Russian Telegram showed the following photos, which show a Leopard 2A4 tank with some M113s, and other photos that show some of them burning, but it's not clear that the Leopard is burning. Video would help, but we don't have that yet.
I think the wiser accounts on both sides are still mostly saying "wait and see," but the cheerleading ones on the Russian side are saying that they have repulsed Ukrainian attacks, and the cheerleading accounts on the Ukrainian side are saying that Ukraine is still mostly probing to force enemy artillery to reveal itself so that it can be taken out, and that the big fist hasn't emerged yet.
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“It is very difficult on the field,” he said Thursday morning. “Our artillery and aviation are working, but the Russians are working, as well. It is difficult for us and for them. The armed forces are advancing. But not as fast as we wanted.”
From what I can tell, both Russian and Ukrainian sources agree that Ukraine has made some advances, but has not achieved any significant breakthroughs yet.
Russian Telegram showed the following photos, which show a Leopard 2A4 tank with some M113s, and other photos that show some of them burning, but it's not clear that the Leopard is burning. Video would help, but we don't have that yet.
I think the wiser accounts on both sides are still mostly saying "wait and see," but the cheerleading ones on the Russian side are saying that they have repulsed Ukrainian attacks, and the cheerleading accounts on the Ukrainian side are saying that Ukraine is still mostly probing to force enemy artillery to reveal itself so that it can be taken out, and that the big fist hasn't emerged yet.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:10 am to cypher
Seismic signals have been recorded from explosion at Kakhovka Dam in Ukraine
2023-06-07 16:28
NORSAR has analysed seismic signals from regional stations in connection with the collapse of the dam in Ukraine on Tuesday night.
Data from regional seismic stations show clear signals on Tuesday 6 June at 2:54 local time (01:54 CET). The time and place coincide with reports in the media about the collapse of the Kakhovka dam. The signals indicate that there is talk of an explosion.
The magnitude estimate is between 1 and 2.
The figure below shows a signal from the Bukovina (BURAR) seismic array, a monitoring station in Romania. Distance from the dam is 620 km.
NORSAR
2023-06-07 16:28
NORSAR has analysed seismic signals from regional stations in connection with the collapse of the dam in Ukraine on Tuesday night.
Data from regional seismic stations show clear signals on Tuesday 6 June at 2:54 local time (01:54 CET). The time and place coincide with reports in the media about the collapse of the Kakhovka dam. The signals indicate that there is talk of an explosion.
The magnitude estimate is between 1 and 2.
The figure below shows a signal from the Bukovina (BURAR) seismic array, a monitoring station in Romania. Distance from the dam is 620 km.
NORSAR
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:23 am to GOP_Tiger
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3rd Separate Assault Brigade update from Bakhmut;
- Yesterday, another 1.2km advance on the flanks.
- Ru 57th Bde and “Storm Z” had 30 KIA and 40 wounded.
- Ammunition, artillery and tanks were also destroyed.
Side note - “Storm Z” is Ru MoD’s own prisoner formation.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:27 am to GOP_Tiger
Looks like the Leopard is the only one not hit. M113 is just a beer can on tracks so it doesn’t take much to set them off. Losses were always to be expected. Anyone that thought differently was fooling themselves. That said I would think Ukraine would use their older Soviet t-64 and BMPs to do these reconnaissance in force missions. They don’t have enough Leopards to be able to send them in a few at a time and risk them getting hit. They need to only be used as the main fist of an attack. Those 31 Abrams tanks would sure be helpful right now though. Flooding the south just lets Russia bring all those troops up north making it harder for Ukraine to make a breakthrough. They are going to have ti bring up some of their best air defenses if Russia has finally decided to use their aviation advantage like is being reported.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:32 am to LSUPilot07
On the topic of aviation, we got this interesting news story yesterday from Australia:
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Retired Australian F/A-18 Hornet jets a step closer to joining Ukraine's war effort
Reading that makes it sound like it's actually going to happen, though the article is clear that it's not going to happen very soon.
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Retired Australian F/A-18 Hornet jets a step closer to joining Ukraine's war effort
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High-level international negotiations are continuing between Australia, Ukraine, and the United States over the fate of the decommissioned fighter aircraft, in what could become this country's largest-ever single transfer of military equipment to a foreign power.
The Royal Australian Air Force's fleet of Boeing "Classic" Hornets were retired in late 2021 after almost 40 years of service, which included bombing missions in the Middle East against Islamic State.
After the FA/18s were retired, Texas-based company RAVN Aerospace paid a deposit to purchase 41 of the multi-role fighters currently housed at RAAF Base Williamtown in varying states of airworthiness.
Sources familiar with the negotiations say RAVN Aerospace is willing to "on-sell" the Hornets to Ukraine but first requires approval from the White House given the fourth-generation fighters have American intellectual property (IP).
Australia's defence department would also have to formally change its contract with RAVN given the end user is currently listed as being in the United States, not Ukraine.
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"There are still many hurdles to clear before the F/A-18s can be sent to Ukraine," the official told the ABC, pointing to a shortage of appropriate personnel, training and a lack of spare parts.
Reading that makes it sound like it's actually going to happen, though the article is clear that it's not going to happen very soon.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:37 am to cypher
Would a missile register on the seismograph, or would it take explosive charges set at the dam to register?
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:38 am to cypher
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The signals indicate that there is talk of an explosion.
Am I reading this wrong? A seismic array in Romania picked up “talk of an explosion” in a dam hundreds of miles away?
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:43 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Am I reading this wrong? A seismic array in Romania picked up “talk of an explosion” in a dam hundreds of miles away?
Yeah, there are all kinds of explosions happening in Ukraine all the time. That's pretty weak.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:44 am to cypher
This image is from the footage of the explosion that reportedly occurred after the breach.
Note the time at the bottom.
Would this be what was registered on the seismic array? Some quick checking on how quickly seismic waves moves showed they can travel between 1.8 to 7.3 km/sec depending on rock and wave type. The slowest extreme would have seen it arrive about 2:53:50, assuming the time in the footage is accurate.
Any geologists/seismologists who might be able to shed some light on the mechanics as I do question if such a small explosion would register that far away and how do they differentiate it from the other explosions likely going on?
Edit: Added questions
Note the time at the bottom.
Would this be what was registered on the seismic array? Some quick checking on how quickly seismic waves moves showed they can travel between 1.8 to 7.3 km/sec depending on rock and wave type. The slowest extreme would have seen it arrive about 2:53:50, assuming the time in the footage is accurate.
Any geologists/seismologists who might be able to shed some light on the mechanics as I do question if such a small explosion would register that far away and how do they differentiate it from the other explosions likely going on?
Edit: Added questions
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 7:45 am
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:44 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Interesting developments. Yevgeny Balitsky, Russian appointed governor of the Zaporizhzia region, ordered an immediate temporarily relocation of residents living in Russian occupied Tokmak, Vasylivka and Polohy to Simferopol/Kerch (Crimea).
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Russian Forces are currently Shelling the Evacuation Sites and Routes in the Flooded-City of Kherson after Ukrainian President Zelensky was seen at an Evacuation Point in the City earlier today speaking with Evacuees and Rescuers; there have been multiple reports of Civilian Casualties as a result of the Shelling since the Residents have nowhere to go, to prevent this Evacuations have been Halted until further notice.
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Near-infrared imagery captured at 0400 am ET on June 7 indicates that flooding is heavily disrupting prepared Russian defensive positions on the east bank of the #Dnipro River – especially affecting Russian first-line positions in Hola Prystan & Oleshky. LINK
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Russian oil exports to India increased 19 times last year
The average cost of Russian oil for India was $90.9 per barrel, which is $10.3 lower than the average cost of raw materials from other countries.
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Multiple Ukrainian Officials have told the Washington Post that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have begun their Long-Anticipated Offensive against the Occupying Russian Forces in the East of the Country, with NATO-Equipped and Trained Units being used as the “Tip of the Spear” to break through their Defensive-Lines.
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:47 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Am I reading this wrong? A seismic array in Romania picked up “talk of an explosion” in a dam hundreds of miles away?
No you read it right but the article is translated from Norwegian so there may be issues with that
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:57 am to OutsideObserver
in 1941 it took 20 tons to blow the dam, that was built in 1932. We are not talking about a 500 lb bomb here so yes it would register.
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