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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:49 pm to Lakeboy7
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:49 pm to Lakeboy7
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Yeah really no need to overthink this. There is going to be a crossing of the Dnipro, this will slow it down but it’s going to happen.
If I may overthink this just for a minute- I feel like there is one plausible reason for Ukraine to have wanted this to happen now.
If the dam was mined by Russia and at risk of being blown at any given time, Ukraine can’t really move anything of substance into the potential path of that water.
So blow the dam now, let the waters settle and then go.
I don’t actually believe this scenario, but it seems at least plausible if Ukraine really wants to move and stage assets across the dnipro.
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:25 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
The Ukraine Naval Submersible Division wouldn’t need the United States help to blow the NordStream. Ukrainian underwater capabilities are among the best in the world!
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:26 pm to ned nederlander
This actually makes a lot of sense.
If you know Russia is going to blow the dam anyway, you blow it on your terms and on your timeline.
If you know Russia is going to blow the dam anyway, you blow it on your terms and on your timeline.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:27 pm to Hateradedrink
Is this the longest thread in TD history?
If so it only cost the taxpayers 1 trillion dollars.
If so it only cost the taxpayers 1 trillion dollars.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:29 pm to OysterPoBoy
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Is this the longest thread in TD history? If so it only cost the taxpayers 1 trillion dollars.
Damn chicken, what kind of servers you got TD running on?
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:30 pm to CitizenK
quote:Well that is quite a trick Nostradamus.
it was debunked months ago
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June 6, 2023
... Details about the plan, which have not been previously reported
quote:... is to actually read them, if you claim to have read them.
First rule of reading articles
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:43 pm to NC_Tigah
A reminder that, through this war, Russia has destroyed many relationships with countries that it could formerly count on as strong allies.
Financial Times
Serbia backs ammunition shipments to Ukraine in westward pivot
Financial Times
Serbia backs ammunition shipments to Ukraine in westward pivot
quote:
The Serbian president said he is not opposed to his country selling ammunition to intermediaries who ship it to Ukraine, in a sign that Russia’s staunch Balkan ally is pivoting westwards.
Aleksandar Vucic has traditionally backed Moscow and refused to align with western sanctions on Russia after its full scale invasion of Ukraine. But in a change of tack, the Serbian president said he was aware of US government reports that Serbian ammunition has ended up in Ukraine via intermediaries and that he had no plans to stop that.
“Is it possible that it’s happening? I have no doubts that it might happen,” Vucic told the Financial Times. “What is the alternative for us? Not to produce it? Not to sell it?”
The pipeline funnelling Serb ammunition to the Ukrainian front has been a crucial factor in a noticeable shift as the US, Nato and the EU recently backed Serbia in a recent flare-up of ethnic tensions in Kosovo, according to three western diplomats in the region.
Asked if it was a deliberate step to win the approval of western capitals, Vucic maintained that Belgrade sought to act in a “neutral way”.
“But I’m not a fool. I am aware that some of the arms might end up in Ukraine.”
Vucic acknowledged that he was walking a tightrope between Moscow and western powers but said that he would not help the Russian war effort. “We joined all the UN resolutions,” he said in reference to UN statements condemning Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. “We join re-export bans, such as dual-use [technology] in drones . . . We won’t be a hub for re-exporting something to Russia.”
He added that the times when he spoke to Russian president Vladimir Putin every three months were over, pointing out that he has not been in contact with the Kremlin for a year except for receiving visitors from Moscow. “That never happened before,” he said.
US ambassador to Serbia Christopher Hill told the FT that Ukraine overrode every other issue in Europe, and especially in the Balkans, where Russia has traditionally held sway.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:46 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Serbia backs ammunition shipments to Ukraine in westward pivot
Wow.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:56 pm to GOP_Tiger
https://twitter.com/rybar_en/status/1666092441248894977
Russia must not have many troops in this area, that Ukrainian penetration is ripe for being cut off.
quote:
?? ???????? Bakhmut direction
situation as of 11.00 June 6, 2023
Ukrainian formations continue to bite into the defensive formations of Russian troops and counterattack on the flanks of Bakhmut.
Advance enemy groups entered Berkhivka to the north of Bakhmut, fierce battles are going on for the settlement. Apparently, the AFU broke through the forest belt adjacent to the reservoir, since no loss of control over Zaliznyansky and Dubovo-Vasilevka was reported.
After advancing in the residential area on the SW outskirts of Bakhmut, the assault units of the AFU continued to put pressure on the Samolet area. The residential sector has become a zone of fierce fighting.
Some AFU units are advancing on Russian positions in Kleshcheevka: units of the Russian special forces have entered into a shooting battle and are holding the line. The task of the AFU is to reach the line Zaitseve-Opytne.
After the withdrawal of Wagner assault groups, the burden of defense fell on the regular troops. Making use of the Russian Armed Forces' communication issues, Ukrainian formations wedged into the defense and cut off Russian positions piece by piece.
Russia must not have many troops in this area, that Ukrainian penetration is ripe for being cut off.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:04 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:No doubt. As part of the invasion calculus, Russia thought they'd roll Ukraine, as did both allies and foes. That obviously isn't how it turned out. Countries like Serbia may reconsider their alignment as a result. On the flip side Sino-Russian relations have strengthened, which is problematic.
Russia has destroyed many relationships with countries that it could formerly count on as strong allies.
OTOH, our employment of dollar reserve levers, swift system sanctions, unilateral asset seizures, etc. will eventually prove to have been a huge mistake. We showed our own slip on that one.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:12 pm to NC_Tigah
White House: 'We cannot say conclusively who is responsible for Kakhovka dam breach'
by Martin Fornusek June 6, 2023 9:56 PM
U.S. President Joe Biden's administration "cannot say conclusively" who was responsible for the breach of the Kakhovka dam, National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told the media on June 6.
"We've seen the reports that Russia was responsible for the explosion at the dam, which I would remind, Russian forces took over illegally last year, and have been occupying since then. We're doing the best we can to assess those reports," Bloomberg cited Kirby.
by Martin Fornusek June 6, 2023 9:56 PM
U.S. President Joe Biden's administration "cannot say conclusively" who was responsible for the breach of the Kakhovka dam, National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told the media on June 6.
"We've seen the reports that Russia was responsible for the explosion at the dam, which I would remind, Russian forces took over illegally last year, and have been occupying since then. We're doing the best we can to assess those reports," Bloomberg cited Kirby.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:23 pm to cypher
Does anyone know if the explosions reported were from a missile or from explosives from inside the dam???
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:26 pm to Chromdome35
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Russia must not have many troops in this area, that Ukrainian penetration is ripe for being cut off.
Some pro-Russian accounts are saying that Rybar is doing the bidding of Wagner and exaggerating Ukrainian gains in the Bakhmut area to make the Russian MoD look bad and make Wagner look good.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:36 pm to GOP_Tiger
The dysfunction in the Russian military is staggering. The whole thing seems to built upon individual fiefdoms with no coordination between different units that aren't in the same command chain.
If you wrote a book on how not to fight a war, it would be way better than how Russia is fighting this one.
If you wrote a book on how not to fight a war, it would be way better than how Russia is fighting this one.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:39 pm to OysterPoBoy
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Is this the longest thread in TD history?
Pretty sure that old Q thread has this one beat by a mile.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:42 pm to NC_Tigah
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As part of the invasion calculus, Russia thought they'd roll Ukraine, as did both allies and foes. That obviously isn't how it turned out. Countries like Serbia may reconsider their alignment as a result. On the flip side Sino-Russian relations have strengthened, which is problematic
This to me this is so hard to overstate. The gravity of an easy Russian win and functional annexation of Ukraine would have had on geopolitical relations would be immense. China and Russia would appear to all the world a truly ascendent alternative to the US dominated world order, and would have pulled much of the world into its orbit in a very dangerous way.
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OTOH, our employment of dollar reserve levers, swift system sanctions, unilateral asset seizures, etc. will eventually prove to have been a huge mistake. We showed our own slip on that one.
You could be right on this one in the long run. Western primacy in global financial systems is something to safeguard. But at least right now it’s still far and away the best looking girl on the block.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:44 pm to Chromdome35
True, but Russia has taken out some top quality farm equipment provided by NATO since the offensive began. Two John Deere harvesters and a particularly menacing sprayer have been completely taken out of combat.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:50 pm to nitwit
They were probably trying to suppress the tractor brigade
Posted on 6/6/23 at 2:59 pm to cypher
quote:Thx for posting. That is actually a decent statement on all points.
U.S. President Joe Biden's administration "cannot say conclusively" who was responsible for the breach of the Kakhovka dam, National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told the media on June 6.
"We've seen the reports that Russia was responsible for the explosion at the dam, which I would remind, Russian forces took over illegally last year, and have been occupying since then. We're doing the best we can to assess those reports," Bloomberg cited Kirby.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 3:04 pm to GOP_Tiger
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A reminder that, through this war, Russia has destroyed many relationships with countries that it could formerly count on as strong allies.
Wasn't there something earlier about India agreeing to be more closely tied with the west now and would shun Russia?
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