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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/28/23 at 2:52 pm to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 2:52 pm to
On my phone so can't post the pictures

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Lot of news in the past few minutes.

In Mariupol, air defense located near Staryi Krym shot at something near Alaska.

At least 6 volleys of anti aircraft missiles were fired around mariupol. Including at least 1 volley in each of Staryi Krym (noted above), Mangush, and Nikolske. Unconfirmed reports of strikes on Nikolske

Report of a fire in Uzruf.

Reports of a strike in Yurivka

Air defense active in Beryansk.

Reports of explosions in Novopetrivka.

Reports of explosions in Komysh-Zorya

Report of explosion in Volnovakha

Video from Mariupol. OHHHH BOOOY is this video spicey.

Ambulances in Mariupol.

Unconfirmed strikes on Andrivka and Novotroitske. I made them purple because I've only seen one source mention it. If I cant find more news later Im going to delete them.

Reports of a strike on Olhynka.

Reports of Russians being rushed to hospital 2 in Mariupol.

LINK

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The Azov Sea coast was a safe haven for Russians until today.

LINK
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 3:08 pm to
Today really does look like the "shock and awe" part of the leadup to the offensive. Storm Shadow getting a lot of use.
Posted by LSUnation78
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Member since Aug 2012
14240 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 3:10 pm to
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Staryi Krym shot at something near Alaska.


Forgive my ignorance… Alaska what?


ETA: i see the call out on Map he posted. Was super confused just reading it.
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 3:12 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 3:21 pm to
GOP _Tiger said:

quote:

Today really does look like the "shock and awe" part of the leadup to the offensive. Storm Shadow getting a lot of use
.

Also a lot of HIMARS and other artillery launches being showcased across social media as well, though it could just be being used for optics using older imagery, it's definitely building a picture that things are ramping up.

Of note, many of the launches and strikes appear to be early morning pre-dawn.

Edit: I don't have time to post all the sources right now but will try and revisit later if someone else hasn't already shared.

Looks like the Russians are responding with multiple bombers going up, though these could be pre-planned after the previous mass-drone attack from Russia.

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1662905585103171584

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#UPDATE: Reports that 4 russian Tu-95Ms strategic bombers and two Tu-22M3 bombers are airborne

Ukrainian sources report that the 4 Tu-95Ms are flying towards the "launch sites", most likely in the Caspian sea.


This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 3:26 pm
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 3:29 pm to
I believe this.

I don’t think Putin gives a shite about “optics” because his propaganda machine can make the “optics” whatever he wants.


Russia simply is incapable of full war footing without destroying the country.
Posted by Tigris
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Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 3:40 pm to
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Storm Shadow getting a lot of use.


A timely Perun dropped earlier today

Storm Shadow & Long Range Weapons in Ukraine

It talks about the evolution of the use of HIMARS and Russian adaptation, the beginning of the use of Storm Shadow, and MALD and GLSDB which are on deck; and other longer term developments. Russia's stated objective of "demilitarizing" Ukraine hasn't really worked out all that well for them.
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8198 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 3:50 pm to
Give us the cliffs.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

Give us the cliffs.


A few:

Russia has adapted to HIMARS by increasing distance, dispersing, hardening, and possibly improving their targeting software to be able to be able to defend against it sometimes.

Storm Shadow has the range to hit anything in occupied Ukraine and can take out hardened sites. It flies low and slower; probably harder to defend against since it's hard to see. Storm Shadow is also very expensive and is somewhat limited in quantity since the Brits only have around 1,000 and will only be giving a fraction of this. France may also be able to help out since they have around 500 of a similar system.

MALD is a relatively cheap air launched decoy system that will cause Russia some problems since it can emulate expensive hardware electronics. If the Russians figure out not to target it then it can also carry a warhead and be used to hit things.

GLSDB is ground launched and relatively cheap with a range of 150 KM. Russia may be able to shoot it down but will be using expensive missiles to do so. Between this and MALD the Russians are going to have a difficult time playing defense against air attack.

Longer term the Ukrainians will have the capability to build their own better drones and missiles, and NATO is putting a greater effort into development and production.

NATO systems may have some compatibility issues when fired from Russian designed planes and not be 100% functional. Thus the reason for F-16's to Ukraine, as a delivery platform for NATO weapons.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21020 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 4:40 pm to
quote:

Give us the cliffs.



Ukraine started the war with a fair number of Tochka rockets, but they had no way to acquire more, and so these became scarce quickly. The introduction of HIMARS had a transformative effect in Ukrainian ability to hit targets behind the front.

Over time, though, Russia has adapted to HIMARS. They dispersed ammo depots and brought C2 and logistics out of range or put them in hardened locations that a GMRLS rocket cannot penetrate. They are having success using EW to jam the system, and the AD units have had enough practice that they are now much betting at shooting down the GMRLS rockets from HIMARS and M270 systems than they were at first.

Storm Shadow, though, renders most of those adaptations obsolete, because its range is (basically) all of Ukraine, and the large, penetrating warhead can destroy something like a building with a concrete-reinforced basement. In contrast to the high, ballistic arc of a GMRLS rocket, Storm Shadow flies low to the ground to hide from radar and does not follow a straight path to its target.

So, if we assume that:

1) Storm Shadow is supplied in sufficient quantity, and
2) Ukraine can keep its Su-24s in the air firing them, then we can conclude that:

Storm Shadow puts Russian logistics, comms, and command & control back into the same difficulties they faced when HIMARS was first introduced. Adapting, though, is harder, because of much greater the range and power is of this system.

In addition, adaptation is now much more of a challenge because Storm Shadow isn't entering the fight all by itself. US-made AMD-160 MALD decoy missiles confuse Russian AD. There are several types of long-range kamikaze drones that are entering the fight, including whatever the British are sending. And that's before we get into the future capabilities of GLSDB and whatever we eventually give Ukraine to fire from F-16s.

EDIT: LOL
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 4:42 pm
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28100 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 4:48 pm to
..+++..!!!!
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16096 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

Give us the cliffs.


Also a subtle jab at how Russia is not adept at managing logistics, not just moving things but the entire management process.

Not noted in Perun but elsewhere is that they don't even seem to know what a pallet is. Everything is in crates, large, medium and small. It takes men to move the crates onto trains, off the trains then onto trucks. Thus Russian logistics is not even at WWII standards.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:07 pm to
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Not noted in Perun but elsewhere is that they don't even seem to know what a pallet is. Everything is in crates, large, medium and small. It takes men to move the crates onto trains, off the trains then onto trucks. Thus Russian logistics is not even at WWII standards


Pro Ukraine reddit LARPers from April 2022 want their talking points back, mate
Posted by notiger1997
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Member since May 2009
61743 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:20 pm to
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SirWinston


You are a fricking idiot and add nothing to this thread at all.
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3588 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:59 pm to
quote:

...add nothing to this thread at all.


Comic Relief???

Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:15 pm to
Busy night for Ukranian AD, reports that is now up to 10 bombers launching missiles as well as Shahed drones as well.

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1662939189724233732

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BREAKING: Preliminary reports of missile launches from the Caspian Sea. Shahed drones also launched towards northern and southern Ukraine.
9:43 AM · May 29, 2023

Initial reports by Ukrainian sources that missiles have been fired from 10 Russian Tu-95Ms bombers.

1 bomber can carry 8 missiles. But they rarely fly with a full payload. It's likely that somewhere between 20 and 40 missiles have been fired

Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:27 pm to
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5988 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:34 pm to
Don’t think this was much of surprise in the end, but Erdogan is declaring victory in the runoff.

Who knows if it would have mattered, but Putin has to be happy with status quo in turkey
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16096 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:56 pm to
Corruption is through the roof especially with all the Russian cash flowing in. Per a Turkish neighbor whose brother is a banker there, while she is a PhD/MD involved in research
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:06 pm to
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Video from Mariupol. OHHHH BOOOY is this video spicey.

That was really cool. Air defense was non-existent.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4689 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:14 pm to
Isw update

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Key Takeaways

Russian forces conducted the largest Shahed drone strike against Ukraine since the start of the war overnight on May 27-28.

Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed that the Russian relief in place operation in Bakhmut may continue past his initial June 1 deadline and last until June 5.

The tempo of Russian operations around Bakhmut remains notably low.

Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin appears to have again indirectly undermined Russian President Vladimir Putin’s authority and regime.

Prigozhin may be attacking Putin for failing to give Prigozhin some promised reward for seizing Bakhmut.

The Wagner Group held a reportedly illegal pro-Wagner rally in Yekaterinburg on May 28 despite the reported banning of the rally by Yekaterinburg authorities.

Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov criticized former Russian officer and ardent nationalist Igor Girkin on May 27.

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks northeast of Kupyansk and along the Svatove-Kreminna line.

Russian forces conducted limited offensive operations along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City front.

Russian forces continued to fire on areas in Southern Ukraine.

The UK Ministry of Defense (MoD) asserted that Russia is now demanding that Russian citizens make additional sacrifices to support the war effort.

Russian occupation officials continue to forcibly deport Ukrainian children to Russia under the guise of summer camps.
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