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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:32 pm to doubleb
Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:32 pm to doubleb
Several explosions reported in Russian-occupied Berdiansk
by The Kyiv Independent news desk May 26, 2023 1:41 AM
Several explosions were reported in the Russian occupied city of Berdiansk, located in Ukraine's southern Zaporizhzhia Oblast, late in the evening on May 25, multiple Ukrainian media outlets reported, citing local Telegram channels.
One channel, called "Insider Ukraine," posted videos and a photograph of the explosions, adding that Russian forces had recently transferred ammunition to the site of the attack. The Kyiv Independent could not independently verify this claim.
Vladimir Rogov, a collaborator with the illegal occupation administration in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, said on Telegram that Ukrainian forces had inflicted a "massive attack" on the city.
He added that first responders were at the site of the explosions and that information on damages and casualties was yet to be determined.
Berdiansk has been under Russian occupation since February 2022 and is located some 100 kilometers south of the front line.
by The Kyiv Independent news desk May 26, 2023 1:41 AM
Several explosions were reported in the Russian occupied city of Berdiansk, located in Ukraine's southern Zaporizhzhia Oblast, late in the evening on May 25, multiple Ukrainian media outlets reported, citing local Telegram channels.
One channel, called "Insider Ukraine," posted videos and a photograph of the explosions, adding that Russian forces had recently transferred ammunition to the site of the attack. The Kyiv Independent could not independently verify this claim.
Vladimir Rogov, a collaborator with the illegal occupation administration in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, said on Telegram that Ukrainian forces had inflicted a "massive attack" on the city.
He added that first responders were at the site of the explosions and that information on damages and casualties was yet to be determined.
Berdiansk has been under Russian occupation since February 2022 and is located some 100 kilometers south of the front line.
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:47 pm to Chromdome35
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It is interesting how history repeats itself. The battle of Kursk was fought in the area of Belgorod. The largest tank battle ever fought was in Prokhorovka which is about 50km north of Belgorod.
After access to Soviet archives in the 1990's historians have seen this in a completely different light. It was actually 4 different tank battles in the area, rather than a single one. I'll have to go find the link to the lecture on it. The WWII Museum in NOLA likely has all that info.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:59 pm to IAmNERD
My RUCT mates you have forgotten the terror of psychological warfare.
Don’t you remember you mom telling you your dad was going to whip your arse silly when he gets home and the worst part always being waiting in your room for hours for him to get there. The waiting was always worst than the actual spanking and made the beating worse too.
Imagine if instead of a beating it’s a violent painful death but you have an option to avoid it by throwing down your weapon and saying “sorry we give”
Don’t you remember you mom telling you your dad was going to whip your arse silly when he gets home and the worst part always being waiting in your room for hours for him to get there. The waiting was always worst than the actual spanking and made the beating worse too.
Imagine if instead of a beating it’s a violent painful death but you have an option to avoid it by throwing down your weapon and saying “sorry we give”
Posted on 5/25/23 at 7:05 pm to Chromdome35
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I think another difference is that the Russian army in the Battle of Kursk was a much higher quality army than the Russian army of today.
It was numbers which won and lack of logistics for Germany.
Edit: Add Rick Atkinson lectures as a source.
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 5/25/23 at 7:18 pm to Chromdome35
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I think another difference is that the Russian army in the Battle of Kursk was a much higher quality army than the Russian army of today. They certainly had better leadership.
That’s a very good point.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 7:24 pm to CitizenK
Numbers which are flat out dangerous in 2023. Unless you can completely dominate the skies, it’s hard to put men and armor in a small geographic space without your adversary deciding it’s probably worth a few million dollars worth of targeted ordinance to ruin your day.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 8:05 pm to Joshjrn
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Numbers which are flat out dangerous in 2023. Unless you can completely dominate the skies, it’s hard to put men and armor in a small geographic space without your adversary deciding it’s probably worth a few million dollars worth of targeted ordinance to ruin your day.
Interesting is that Ukraine can scatter concentrations in the middle of the east side of Dnipro and they could go any direction to where signs of weakness are shown by probing attacks at the front. All reserves with say 75km of the front, any part of the front.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 8:13 pm to CitizenK
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways
Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin announced on May 25 that the Wagner Group began handing over its positions in Bakhmut to the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and claimed Wagner will entirely withdraw from the city on June 1. It remains unclear if Wagner will be able to withdraw the entirety of its contingent by June 1 and if Russian MoD troops will execute a successful relief in place.
Russia and Belarus signed agreements formally advancing preparations to deploy Russian tactical nuclear weapons to Belarus as part of a longstanding effort to cement Russia’s de facto military control over Belarus, though Russia has not yet deployed nuclear weapons to Belarus and their possible deployment is highly unlikely to presage any Russian escalation.
Russian President Vladimir Putin met with the leaders of the Eurasian Economic Union member states and several other post-Soviet heads of state at the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council in Moscow on May 25, likely to expand sanctions evasion opportunities.
Belgorod Oblast Governor Vyacheslav Gladkov announced that Russian officials have created seven territorial defense battalions in Belgorod Oblast as of May 24, likely in order to posture his engagement in the defense of Russian border areas following the May 22 all-Russian pro-Ukrainian raid into Belgorod Oblast.
Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin held a meeting with representatives of Russian oblasts bordering Ukraine to discuss fortifying border areas on May 24.
Wagner and Russian forces have notably engaged in previous efforts to fortify border areas, and the recent Belgorod Oblast raid exposed major shortcomings in these efforts.
Russian political strategist Konstantin Dolgov claimed on May 25 that he was fired as a result of his May 23 interview with Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin.
Russia conducted another massive Shahed-131/136 drone strike across Ukraine on the night of May 24 to 25.
Russian President Vladimir Putin continued attempts to portray Russia as an effective international mediator by mediating negotiations between Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan and Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev.
Russian forces continued limited ground attacks northeast of Kupyansk and south of Kreminna.
Russian forces continued limited ground attacks around Bakhmut as Wagner Group forces reportedly began their withdrawal from frontline areas the city.
Russian forces continued ground attacks along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.
Russian sources claimed that Russian forces shot down six drones over Crimea.
Russian forces are reportedly continuing to recruit personnel with various diseases.
Russian occupation officials continue to announce partnerships with various local Russian officials to improve the standard of living in occupied territories.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 8:31 pm to doubleb
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Is mud season over in Ukraine?
In southern Ukraine, the soil will be dry from around mid-April, then two weeks later in the Donetsk region, and from mid-May in the Russian-occupied Luhansk region further north.
At the outset of Russian's invasion, they had about 1000 tanks in three columns headed to Kiev. The ground was too soft for their 40 ton T72's, T80's and T90's so they all moved to a paved road creating a traffic jam that lasted a month while under fire.
Ukraine has a lot of Western tanks now that are 60 tons or more. I don't think they will want to make the same mistake.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 8:34 pm to CitizenK
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Interesting is that Ukraine can scatter concentrations in the middle of the east side of Dnipro and they could go any direction to where signs of weakness are shown by probing attacks at the front. All reserves with say 75km of the front, any part of the front.
I agree. Because of the shape of the front, Ukraine is about a day from wherever it wants to be, while Russia has a much larger front to guard *and* is faced with superior guided munitions if they try to mass. It’s an interesting dynamic.
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 5/25/23 at 9:10 pm to Joshjrn
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I agree. Because of the shape of the front, Ukraine is about a day from wherever it wants to be, while Russia has a much larger front to guard *and* is faced with superior guided munitions if they try to mass. It’s an interesting dynamic.
The front is kind of the reverse of Gettysburg.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:19 am to GOP_Tiger
EU leeches, frick NATO
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:37 am to LSU7096
Just listened to a very interesting Twitter Space for several OSINT accounts hosted by
https://twitter.com/HelloMrBond
In it they looked at the challenges to OSINT that can cause inaccuracies, how it has changed since the beginning of the war, and how they can better share information responsibly to prevent misinformation.
He apparently hosts them regularly so if you are keen to delve a bit more into the nuts and bolts behind it, worth a look.
https://twitter.com/HelloMrBond
In it they looked at the challenges to OSINT that can cause inaccuracies, how it has changed since the beginning of the war, and how they can better share information responsibly to prevent misinformation.
He apparently hosts them regularly so if you are keen to delve a bit more into the nuts and bolts behind it, worth a look.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:26 am to doubleb
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Stalin knew what Hitler was doing.
He had a lot of information and used it poorly, at least in 1941 and 1942. The Brits and Stalin's spy network warned him about Barbarossa in 1941 and Stalin didn't believe it, he even executed some of the spies that tried to warn him. In 1942 the Russians fortified the center and the Germans drove south instead and had huge gains (including Kiev which was a disaster for Russia), until things went bad due to overreaching (not much fun in Stalingrad). It really wasn't until Kursk in 1943 when the Russians got their act together (well, maybe late 1942 and the defense of Moscow with troops from Siberia).
Posted on 5/26/23 at 5:16 am to Tigris
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 26 May 2023
Over at least the last 20 years, Russia has experienced a proliferation of paramilitary groups out of its regular armed forces. However, this 'paramilitarisation' has dramatically accelerated since Russia's invasion of Ukraine and is particularly important in the Crimean Peninsula.
The leader of Russian-occupied Crimea, Sergei Aksyonov, has been instrumental in setting up several local units, which often claim affiliation with the Cossack tradition. Most have been given some semi-official status as reserve units of the regular army.
Aksyonov is likely keen to burnish his patriotic credentials by recruiting fighters, but he is likely also concerned about the regular army's ability to defend the peninsula. The main element of the Russian garrison, 22nd Army Corps, is currently mostly deployed outside the peninsula and has taken heavy casualties.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 26 May 2023
Over at least the last 20 years, Russia has experienced a proliferation of paramilitary groups out of its regular armed forces. However, this 'paramilitarisation' has dramatically accelerated since Russia's invasion of Ukraine and is particularly important in the Crimean Peninsula.
The leader of Russian-occupied Crimea, Sergei Aksyonov, has been instrumental in setting up several local units, which often claim affiliation with the Cossack tradition. Most have been given some semi-official status as reserve units of the regular army.
Aksyonov is likely keen to burnish his patriotic credentials by recruiting fighters, but he is likely also concerned about the regular army's ability to defend the peninsula. The main element of the Russian garrison, 22nd Army Corps, is currently mostly deployed outside the peninsula and has taken heavy casualties.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:19 am to cypher
Lowest price in two years.
What's the impact on the Russian economy?
What's the impact on the Russian economy?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:46 am to GOP_Tiger
More info on the drone attack on the Russian ship Ivan Khurs. I'm not totally convinced yet.
https://twitter.com/OSINTMISCIF/status/1662060981160222720
Supposed video of one of the drones hitting the ship. Pretty blurry.
https://twitter.com/pravda_eng/status/1662063328762511360
https://twitter.com/OSINTMISCIF/status/1662060981160222720
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Russian telegram is saying this morning Ivan Khurs was attacked by five instead of three kamikaze boats and that two hit the vessel and that she is severely damaged and at risk of sinking. They go on to further state casualties. 1 officer killed 5 enlisted killed. Two of them were thrown overboard and the 4 drowned in the engine room.
Supposed video of one of the drones hitting the ship. Pretty blurry.
https://twitter.com/pravda_eng/status/1662063328762511360
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?? The moment the Russian reconnaissance ship Ivan Khurs was hit by a Ukrainian naval drone in the Black Sea.
The video was provided to Ukrainska Pravda by sources in military environment
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 9:51 am
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:39 am to Chromdome35
So the Russian MoD was both accurate and innaccurate at the same time with their innitial report.....
the Russians killed all (3) of the unmanned drone boats..... but (2) more got through.....
the Russians killed all (3) of the unmanned drone boats..... but (2) more got through.....
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:48 am to tigeraddict
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the Russians killed all (3) of the unmanned drone boats..... but (2) more got through.....
"all drone boats were destroyed except for the two that blew up the ship"
Posted on 5/26/23 at 11:34 am to Lakeboy7
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all drone boats were destroyed except for the two that blew up the ship"
But they were also destroyed upon impact so they didn't technically lie
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