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Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:20 am to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:20 am to
5 Indicators Ukraine’s Big Spring Counteroffensive Has Already Begun

Many commentators have been expecting Ukraine to launch a “D-Day” style counteroffensive against Russia, but it seems Kyiv may have something else in mind and the clues are already there.
by Stefan Korshak | May 25, 2023, 3:07 pm

1. Long-range Ukrainian strikes particularly targeting artillery are already happening

The Kyiv Post reported two weeks ago that Ukrainian military planners had begun targeting Kremlin-controlled howitzers, mortars and rocket launchers in a systematic campaign to demolish Russian artillery formations all along the fighting front.

According to data published on Thursday, May 25 by the watch group uacontrolmap.com, that destruction campaign is accelerating with 40 Russian artillery pieces destroyed by Ukrainian hits in the past 24 hours – close to a record for the entire war.

The data collected by the group showed Russian army loss rates of its artillery weapons is, by most measures, at a wartime high.



The Kyiv Post
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:32 am to
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I no longer understand what they are waiting for. The ground is dry now. True, there is more equipment on the way, but there will always be more equipment on the way. They can't wait forever.


Same. I have no clue what they're waiting for either. I'm sure there's a good reason for it, but with the information we have (I'm sure there's a lot we don't have that the planners do) it's hard to zero in on a great reason for still waiting.

I hope they haven't waited too long and given Russia time to regroup and consolidate their weak points. There were a few points over the past several weeks where it seemed Russia was absolutely spent and totally confused higher up the chain of command and seemed like prime opportunities to strike. Let's hope they get more opportunities like that and haven't squandered good ones waiting for the perfect one.
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 11:37 am
Posted by notiger1997
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:40 am to
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According to data published on Thursday, May 25 by the watch group uacontrolmap.com, that destruction campaign is accelerating with 40 Russian artillery pieces destroyed by Ukrainian hits in the past 24 hours


I wonder how they can get this information. Or is it just a wild guess?
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:45 am to
I think the recent incursion into the Belgorod region was the first concrete move of the counter offensive. Ukraine has to allow some time for Russia to reposition forces to strengthen that area. This will likely take a couple of weeks to happen.

Remember that in the fall, Ukraine made lots of noise about moving on Kherson and got Russia to move lots of combat power into that area, which Ukraine promptly started hitting and cutting off from resupply.

That takes time.

A few things to consider:
1) Where are all the new brigades actually deployed at this point?
2) Ukraine is still masking where the offensive will occur, when they start moving these new units to their kick-off areas, their intentions will be much clearer.
3) Russia will start redeploying to counter those units.
4) The number of Storm Shadow attacks appears to have subsided recently
5) Ukraine has announced the formation of 9 new Brigades; however, we have heard from various sources that there are other brigades being prepared for deployment, are they waiting for those to arrive? I'm specifically talking about the Swedish-equipped brigade(s) with CV90s and Archers. There has been footage on twitter in the last few days of a train carrying at least 25 CV90s moving through German and Slovakia.
https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1661732629547487232
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An entire train filled with extremely capable, and much needed Swedish CV90 IFV's heading for Ukraine


From the article you posted (bolding added by me):
quote:

4. Clear timelines for the delivery of key heavy weapons to Ukraine are becoming defined

Two consignments of weaponry, from Sweden and Germany respectively, are not in country yet but according to many news reports will become available in the next few weeks.

The German contribution, widespread reports from that country say, will be part of the allocated 110 Leopard I tanks. Crew training in Germany is nearing completion, according to Die Welt and other German mainstream platforms.

A Cold War fighting vehicle with a good main armament, excellent optics but thinner armor than the most modern tanks, the Leopard I fills a critical gap in the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) assault capability: a reliable tank able to blast Russian infantry out of its fortifications while offering fair levels of protection against Russian weapons.

The international coalition supporting Ukraine has been relatively slow to send Ukraine tanks, and the first batch of Leopard I – according to many reports a full battalion of 40 vehicles – will arrive in Ukraine in the first weeks of June, just in time for the probable launch of the main ground assault.

From Sweden, social media images and official statements from Stockholm have confirmed that three powerful weapon systems in sufficient quantities to equip a full Ukrainian combat brigade – tanks, artillery and infantry fighting vehicles – are currently being dispatched.

Fully modern and in some aspect state-of the art, the hundred or so Swedish combat vehicles including the CV-90 infantry fighting vehicle and Archer semi-automatic howitzer will, most likely, make the Ukrainian formation operating them the best-armed brigade on either side in the war.

It’s not clear how much training the Ukrainian army leadership will require before the unit is committed to combat, but AFU leadership already must be building the Swedish weapons’ arrival into its counteroffensive plans and timelines.
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 11:53 am
Posted by TheGasMan
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:59 am to
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There are very, very persistent rumors that the M1A1 Abrams tanks will arrive in Ukraine by early June

I’ll say this, I noticed the entire dockside at Union Pier in Charleston was loaded with M1A1s 2 weeks ago that were being loaded onto an MSC ship.

The F16 part?
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 12:09 pm to
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I wonder how they can get this information. Or is it just a wild guess?


They have compiled the numbers published by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Facebook. This is the latest:

This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 12:12 pm
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 12:14 pm to
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Or is it just a wild guess?


Nope. Artillery is so important to the Russians I can promise you we track their movement and destruction.

Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 12:20 pm to
Wow, look at the disparity between tube artillery v mlrs loses. Their is mlrs game is week.
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 12:29 pm to
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The German contribution, widespread reports from that country say, will be part of the allocated 110 Leopard I tanks.

Damn. I missed that apparently. I know it's an old version, but 110 of them is big as they're facing off against tanks that are just as old and older in some cases.

Does anyone know if they have gone through any sort of program to update them with modern fire controls or the like? Either way, that's a significant amount of firepower to counter with.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 1:04 pm to
There are some posts showing up on Twitter that the Russian ship, Ivan Khurs, was seriously damaged.

That goes along with my early post of the footage of one of the drones reaching the ship.

https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1661755360191864832


Here's the video
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1661789365582921744
This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 1:07 pm
Posted by pirate75
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

Chromdome35


quote:

5) Ukraine has announced the formation of 9 new Brigades; however, we have heard from various sources that there are other brigades being prepared for deployment, are they waiting for those to arrive? I'm specifically talking about the Swedish-equipped brigade(s) with CV90s and Archers. There has been footage on twitter in the last few days of a train carrying at least 25 CV90s moving through German and Slovakia.

Do you think the 100+ tanks that Germany just announced and are to begin delivery in the next few weeks will affect the timing?
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 1:13 pm to
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Do you think the 100+ tanks that Germany just announced and are to begin delivery in the next few weeks will affect the timing?



Honestly, not sure. Predicting the kickoff of the offensive is almost impossible at this point. Ukraine has said a couple of times that they are waiting for more equipment arrivals; however, what is disinfo designed to stall the Russians vs reality is anyone's guess.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 1:15 pm to
There are a couple of videos emerging of Russian destroyed dams. Probably with the purpose of flooding and making any river crossings more difficult for Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1661789612719702033
quote:

The dam in #Karlivka (Donetsk) has been destroyed.

Photo was taken here(ish): (48.1146411, 37.4889105)



Video at this link..different dam than the other one
https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1661793818247675904
quote:

??It is reported that the Russian military destroyed the dam of the Karlovsky reservoir, located northwest of Pervomaisky.

This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 1:19 pm
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 1:29 pm to
Well I’ve been beating this drum forever it seems now and even though I’d still put the probability of Ukraine getting f-16s and not Gripens at over 90%. BUT I would still like to say YES YES YES YES YES 1000x YES to training Uke pilots on the Gripen! That is all.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 1:44 pm to
LINK

quote:

As I kinda suspected, it seems to be just a Saab marketing ploy.


Basically, Sweden is going to provide some very basic training on simulators to persuade Ukraine to place an order after the war is over.

Posted by TigersnJeeps
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Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:16 pm to
another option is that these and other items in the pipeline are intended to replace anticipated losses... of same/similar type
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

Darth, This would make a good model subject. quote:A Russian T-72 Ural with a lot of ERA


Now they you mention it, I do need to add a T-72 to the stash.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:28 pm to
LINK

quote:

WASHINGTON, May 25 (Reuters) - The United States plans to announce up to $300 million worth of military aid for Ukraine comprised mainly of ammunition, two official sources said on Thursday.

The package could be announced as soon as Friday, but perhaps after the Memorial Day holiday weekend in the United States, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The package was expected to contain more Guided Multiple Launch Rockets (GMLRS) for HIMARS launchers, and ammunition for Ukraine's defense against Russia.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:29 pm to
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I no longer understand what they are waiting for. The ground is dry now. True, there is more equipment on the way, but there will always be more equipment on the way. They can't wait forever.


I have been thinking the same thing. Their hesitation to launch this much anticipated offensive reminds me of Hitler doing the same thing in delaying the launch of Operation Zitadelle. If I’m not mistaken the original plan was to launch Zitadelle as soon as the Rasputitsa came to an end. But Hitler kept pushing it back to bring in more armor, particularly the new Panther tank and Elfant assault gun. But all he really achieved was to give the Soviets time to build up massive defenses in depth.

I can’t help but wonder if Ukraine isn’t about to lean a harsh lesson of how true the saying “those who don’t remember the past are condemned to repeat it” actually is.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 5/25/23 at 2:35 pm to
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There are a couple of videos emerging of Russian destroyed dams.


A week and that floodwater is gone.

As far as starting the offensive, it appears to already be happening as Russia reacts to raids such as the recent one and likely many not in the news at all. I'm not going to go back to find links but there were reports yesterday of at least a regiment relocated to Belgorod if not an entire division. Seems that the locals were not really bothered by the Free Russians roaming about the villages. Reportedly most did return to Ukrainian territory.


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