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Posted on 5/23/23 at 4:27 am to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 4:27 am to
This story in the New Yorker hits incredibly hard. Just read it, but here's a couple of small excerpts:

LINK

Two Weeks at the Front in Ukraine

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A trench led from the entrance to a log parapet, underneath which the S.P.G.-9 was concealed from Russian drones. There wasn’t much to the weapon—a bazooka on a tripod—and it was in decrepit condition. The trigger mechanism was broken. To activate each warhead, Kaban had to pry open the rocket’s gunpowder-filled cartridge with a pocketknife, twist together two wires at its base, connect those wires to a household electrical cable, then hook the cable onto a loop of bare copper that was attached to the gun with masking tape. He and Cadet would lug the S.P.G.-9 out into the open, where Cadet would take aim and fire. Then they would hurry back to the dugout before Russian drones or artillery could find them.
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Cadet seemed to be so completely a child of the war that he’d never developed an instinct for self-preservation. He had grown up on a subsistence farm where his family raised pigs and chickens. In the Army, because of his age, he had first been assigned to a company of reserve soldiers who replaced casualties in other units; among the twenty-eight men in his platoon, he knew of only two who were still alive. He claimed to have fired the S.P.G.-9 more than a thousand times, and to have made “not one but many” confirmed kills with it. He smoked between two and three packs of cigarettes a day. Cadet did not use the trench to move between the dugout and the parapet; he scampered nimbly through the black woods, hopping over berms and foxholes, unencumbered by helmet or body armor. During one firing mission, a little after 2 a.m., he turned on a flashlight instead of his red headlamp. Back at the dugout, Kaban kicked him and demanded, “What the frick is wrong with you?”

“I forgot it,” Cadet muttered sullenly, like a grade-school student without his homework.


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Dondyuk, the photographer, asked him whether he’d imparted any lessons to Cadet.

“There’s no point,” Kaban said. “He’ll be dead soon.”

Cadet laughed, but Kaban didn’t.


Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 4:43 am to
Another excerpt:
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Food and trash were strewn everywhere. The mess had attracted mice. Adding to the unsanitary conditions, feces and soiled toilet paper littered the periphery of the position. Nobody wanted to die while burying his shite.

After machine-gun bullets buzzed the trees and we again crammed into the dugout, Syava complained, “It smells like dirty socks in here.”

“Whose socks are those?” another soldier demanded.

“It must be Lyova,” Syava said.

“What’s wrong with him?”

“He has smelly feet.”

Not long after, Lyova was hospitalized with tuberculosis. It is unclear when and where he first fell ill, but in such unhygienic quarters, viruses were rampant. When a sergeant overheard a draftee telling me that he was sick, the sergeant interjected, “Everybody is sick.”



Again, just read the whole thing.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 5:23 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 23 May 2023

Between 19 and 22 May 2023, Russian security forces highly likely clashed with partisans in at least three locations within Russia's Belgorod Oblast, near the Ukrainian border. The identity of the partisans remains unconfirmed, but Russian anti-regime groups claimed responsibility.

The most serious incident took place near the town of Grayvoran. As well as small-arms fire fights, there was an uptick in drone or indirect fire attacks near the incidents. Russia has evacuated several villages and has deployed extra security forces to the area.

Russia is facing an increasingly serious multi-domain security threat in its border regions, with losses of combat aircraft, improvised explosive device attacks on rail lines, and now direct partisan action. Russia will almost certainly use these incidents to support the official narrative that it is the victim in the war.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 5:37 am to
LINK

Posted two hours ago:

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The RVC and the Legion of Freedom of Russia continue to control the territory of Bilgorod region. At the moment, a map of the territory of Russia that is not under the control of the Putin’s regime looks like this, according to DeepState



I am extremely impressed that these guys have been able to hold on to a couple of Russian villages for over a day.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 5:40 am to
Those guys will eventually be killed or retreat, but this should scare the shite out of the invincible Russians who had been living in the border regions.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 5:50 am to
The Freedom of Russia Legion just posted on the Telegram channel 90 minutes ago: LINK

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The Legion and the RDK continue to liberate the Belgorod region!

The army of the Russian Federation could not oppose anything to a group of patriotic volunteers who took up arms and were not afraid to openly go against the Moscow regime for the free future of Russia. Once again, the myth that the citizens of the Russian Federation are safe and the Russian Federation is strong has been destroyed, in fact, for years the authorities simply plundered the budget and lied that everything was fine.






Again, this is what Russia did in the region in the fall -- ten billion rubles worth of this:



Now? LINK

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Today at a press conference, Peskov was asked why the 10 Billion ruble defense line in Belgorod failed to stop the incursion (I didn’t make that number up)

“The presidential administration can not assess the characteristics of protective structures.”
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 6:05 am to
Those guys appear to have been enjoying themselves:

Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 6:19 am to
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Cadet seemed to be so completely a child of the war that he’d never developed an instinct for self-preservation. He had grown up on a subsistence farm where his family raised pigs and chickens. In the Army, because of his age, he had first been assigned to a company of reserve soldiers who replaced casualties in other units; among the twenty-eight men in his platoon, he knew of only two who were still alive. He claimed to have fired the S.P.G.-9 more than a thousand times, and to have made “not one but many” confirmed kills with it. He smoked between two and three packs of cigarettes a day. Cadet did not use the trench to move between the dugout and the parapet; he scampered nimbly through the black woods, hopping over berms and foxholes, unencumbered by helmet or body armor. During one firing mission, a little after 2 a.m., he turned on a flashlight instead of his red headlamp. Back at the dugout, Kaban kicked him and demanded, “What the frick is wrong with you?”

“I forgot it,” Cadet muttered sullenly, like a grade-school student without his homework.


1. Muh there’s ZERO media coverage of this fake war

2. I bet in some archive somewhere there are 100 year old articles about WWI in this vein. Just wild to read something like this in 2023. I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 6:31 am to
Russian outlets are now reporting TWO MORE border crossings -- unconfirmed for now.


Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 6:41 am to
Random tweets

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The State #Duma adopted a law on the seizure of passports at the border

#FSB border control officers will be able to confiscate passports from #Russians who are not allowed to travel abroad.

LINK

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A Marine Corps will be created in Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelenskyi announced.

"The state will do everything for the development of an important, strong type of troops. To equip our infantry with modern weapons and equipment and to create new Ukrainian marine brigades," the president said

LINK

Russian view of the raid thinks a lot of the tongue is cheek comments are real
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How the Great Belgorod Raid started vs. how it went

A little post-facto analysis below:

This morning the Ukrainian military (under the fig leaf of being a pro-Ukrainian Russian separatist group) attacked a Russian border checkpoint and a couple of border villages, penetrating about three kilometers into Russia proper before being driven back with losses.

Russian aircraft quickly arrived on station, at which point the Ukrainian vehicle crews seem to have retreated back into Ukraine and abandoned the infantry to their fate.

Shown: a two-ship of Su-25s delivering airstrikes

Attack helicopters also joined the fray.

Elements of at least two and possibly three Russian battalions in the area also piled on, showing at least one triangle-Z tactical marking I've never seen in the wild.

(there's another video out there with a BMP-3, presumably a different unit)

Most fighting was over in about six hours. The Russians claim they killed at least 40 attackers, which is hardly implausible given the raid's lack of support and the prompt and overwhelming Russian response.

Last I heard they were still sweeping the area.

So - an objectively stupid border raid designed to grab the headlines back after Bakhmut fell last weekend?

I don't think so. I think this little operation had larger ambitions - namely, to seize Russian territory for leverage.

The area chosen was a particularly vulnerable part of Belgorod Oblast, surrounded by water obstacles and Ukrainian territory. The kind of thing that could be taken in a coup de main.

Similarly there was a heavy info-war campaign earlier pushing the "Bilhorod People's Republic," presumably some kind of Ukrainian-backed cutout on Russian territory in an ironic echo of the Lugansk and Donetsk Peoples' Republics.

(do they speak Ukrainian in "Bilhorod?")

The obvious question is why on Earth they'd think they could successfully conquer and hold part of Russia with one motorized company.

Well, UK MinDef Ben Wallace told us the answer earlier. NATO thinks the vast majority of the Russian Army is in Ukraine

This would presumably leave the Russian border regions extremely vulnerable to attack and seizure even by small forces.

As we found out today, that's absolutely not the case. They're crawling with troops. A third and critical data point for analysis later.

As a sort of mythbusting addendum, no, the Ukrainians didn't launch this raid to capture a Russian electronic warfare system.

The rumor mill was going faster than a Kinzhal this morning. Be wary of misinformation!


LINK

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SitRep - 22/05/23 - Bilhorod People's Republic

An overview of the daily events in the war between Russia and Ukraine. Today the Belgorod region (now called BPR) was attacked by Russian anti-government units of the Russian Volunteer Corps and Freedom Legion of Russia.

As usual we start with Russian losses per 22/05/23 reported by the Ukrainian general staff. We include footage of destroyed, damaged or captured Russian equipment or personnel.

+720 men
+2 tanks
+9 APCs
+20 artillery pieces
+1 MLRS
+1 aircraft (Su-35)

All Shahed-drones and 4 cruise missiles were shot down overnight, but unfortunately there were also hits registered in the Dnipropetrovsk region

A BTR-82A captured, more on the event on how this happened later in this thread.

A warehouse in Voronezh went up in flames

In Belgorod city center, reportedly drones attacked an FSB office.

Lets continue with the general events. F-16 fighter jet training has already started.

The US once again confirms it sees Crimea as Ukrainian.

CV90's are on their way to Ukraine!

And then, a look back at what today was all about. The Ukrainian-affiliated Russian Volunteer Corps and Freedom Legion of Russia invaded the Belgorod region of Russia, engaged in fighting with Russian troops and took over at least a number of villages and captured heavy equipment

It started with an appeal on their official Telegram-channel to residents of border villages to stay inside.

Soon after, the first reports came in of heavy explosions and massive shelling of villages on the Russian side of the border with Ukraine near Kozinka.

After a while it became clear there was actually an attack on Russian soil, performed by anti-Russian government forces that want to get rid of Putin.

Russian Volunteer Corps and Freedom of Russia Legion fighters started to appear on the streets, taking over Kozinka, Glotovo, Grayvoron and reportedly also parts of Zamost'e.

Even helicopters started appearing near the area where fighting emerged. There are unconfirmed reports that a helicopter from the Russian Federation forces crashed in the area although we haven't seen proof yet

A comment from the Ukrainian leadership about the ongoing attacks during the day. They denied Ukraine's involvement in the attacks.

Fight is still ongoing and Russia has still not regained full control, while even pulling up aviation to the area.

To the front. As for the discussion whether or not Ukraine is present in Bakhmut, I can be brief. basically all troops have left Bakhmut, a 'covered retreat' is being conducted in the black dotted area to allow remaining troops to leave Bakhmut unharmed. Khromove area unchanged.

South of Bakhmut, based on my latest info, progress is made west (black square) of Klishchiivka. The exact depth of this advance is not yet clear and will become clear in the coming days. It is clear that after losing strategic positions, Russia has difficulty with its defense.

Furthermore, things seem to be happening north of Soledar in the area around Sakko I Vantsetti-Vasyukivka, but there is no information available or no visual confirmation of footage to adjust the map. We'll keep an eye on this.

That's all for today. Tomorrow a new SitRep as you are used to from me.

LINK

Posted by FlintEastwood
Member since Apr 2023
74 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 6:57 am to
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+1 aircraft (Su-35)


I guess we're counting CGI kills?



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Just like the Su-35 yesterday...this didn't happen.


Like I said yesterday, the Mi-8 shoot down was also bullshite. Who cares if it's factual, as long as it's positive news for Ukraine.






Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21138 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 6:59 am to
LINK

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Russian MOD now says it has liquidated the invaders of Belgorod, killing more than 70 fighters and using artillery and aviation to do it. It said they were pushed back into Ukrainian territory and finished off there.




New video of LFR guys firing a mortar inside Russia

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Meanwhile The Legion ‘Freedom of Russia’ and the ‘Russian Volunteer Corps’
Posted by soccerfüt
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 7:00 am to
quote:

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A Marine Corps will be created in Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelenskyi announced.

We are reportedly sending some WWI-era rations to assist them in this endeavor.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21138 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 7:01 am to

Hey, Russian troll, how much does Prigozhin pay?

You claim that Ukraine didn't shoot down a Kinzhal. You claim that Zaluzhny is dead or dying in a hospital, and then you want to whine about pro-Ukrainian disinformation?

What a pathetic loser you are.
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 7:10 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 7:06 am to
Original Telegram source for the reports of two other border clashes in the region: LINK
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 7:07 am to
Just saw that video as well. Simply ridiculous
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21138 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 7:16 am to
Here's another fake news post that you were happy to make.




Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21138 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 7:18 am to
Christopher Miller, writer for the Financial Times:

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I just got off the phone with the operation's leader, who was in a pretty good mood. Didn't sound at all like 70 of his fighters had been eliminated. In fact, he said the operation wasn't over.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 7:28 am to
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I just got off the phone with the operation's leader, who was in a pretty good mood. Didn't sound at all like 70 of his fighters had been eliminated. In fact, he said the operation wasn't over.


The bigger issue is how many anti Putin cells of Russians are operating and coordinating with Ukraine? From St. Petersburg to Siberia and Crimea for months now. Drip drip drip
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 8:28 am to
Flint Eastwood said:
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I guess we're counting CGI kills?


I've not looked at that Twitter account much before and if that is their M.O. they seem like a poor source of objective information.

Faytuks was on them fairly quickly too.

quote:

Not real, from Arma 3


Twitter - https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1660935640119164932

Edit: quote
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 9:52 am
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