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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/23/23 at 8:28 am to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 8:28 am to
Wagner's "Grey Zone" Telegram channel: LINK

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The operation to squeeze the enemy out of the Belgorod region is led by Colonel-General Alexander Lapin.


The Chief of Staff of Russian Ground Forces, a former commander of the Central Military District, is being dispatched to quash an invasion of Russia. Wow.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 8:29 am to
The fact that this is seemingly still ongoing after almost 48 hours is embarrassing for Russia
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 8:36 am to
soccerfüt said:

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We are reportedly sending some WWI-era rations to assist them in this endeavor.




Were these used as a costive back then?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 8:52 am to
Rybar deplores the fact that the Russian MoD appears to be lying about the occupation of Russian territory by the RVC and the LFR.

LINK

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Despite the fact that the situation in the Belgorod region has relatively stabilized (LINK information pumping of the population continues. Photos and videos appeared on the Web, taken yesterday while entering the territory of the Russian Federation, thereby allegedly refuting the statements of the Russian Ministry of Defense and Governor Gladkov. It will seem to an inexperienced viewer that someone in this situation is lying (given the silence of official sources, with the exception of Gladkov for almost a day, it’s no wonder). The lack of more frames and a clear refutation, these facts are not obvious to most viewers.

Something incomprehensible happened in the eyes of the layman: yesterday they almost took Belgorod, and today the Ministry of Defense says that everything is fine. And the Network is full of videos with Ukrainian formations on the territory of the Russian Federation. The layman will not understand when it is filmed: he does not need it. But he will draw certain conclusions.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 8:57 am to
Rybar also posts a video of locals in a nearby area demanding that the government issue them weapons and allow them to form a territorial defense force.

LINK

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In theory, for these purposes there should be territorial defense. It even exists on paper. But its quality leaves much to be desired.

According to Alexander Sladkov, a resident of one of the settlements taken yesterday was killed by militants because of a military uniform found in his house. Information (LINK about losses among the Belgorod militia is a reason to think about the status of such units.

If there are territorial defense units, then they must be armed, organized and provided.

Otherwise, if, God forbid, yesterday's scenario repeats itself (we really hope not), then this is not a militia at all. These are just people who can be killed for their uniforms in the closet.
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 9:01 am
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 9:03 am to
A possible early shaping move by Germany to supply longer ranged munitions to Ukraine similar to Storm Shadow, although the German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius appears to poo-poo the idea we have seen this slow walk several times already.

With 150 of these Ukraine could do some serious damage to Russian supply and command capabilities, though will likely require modification as with Storm Shadow for Ukraine to use.

Also some interesting details about increased Patriot production by MDBA later in the article too.

Article is in German so have quoted the pertinent bits. Originally ran across it via Twitter - https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1661004159724957698

Rnd.de (Redaktion Netzwerk Deutschland) - Requires translation

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CDU defense politician and retired colonel. Roderich Kiesewetter sees this as a new strategy in supporting Ukraine. „ The partners of Ukraine must now go all-in ‚ and deliver to Ukraine everything that Ukraine can use in the battle of connected weapons and is permitted under international law ‘, Kieseweter demands towards the RND. „ Taurus cruise missile with a range of up to 400 to 500 kilometers would be a very helpful contribution from Germany. “ You should deliver everything NATO would use itself. „ There must be no more red lines here."


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Taurus: 150 ready-to-use cruise missiles
The Taurus missiles are the German counterpart to the British Storm Shadows, the differences according to expert Hoffmann are very small. Both can be used very flexibly, the range of the Taurus is even somewhat larger. According to pebble weather, Germany has a small number of these high-precision guided missiles, but they would massively bring qualitative added value to Ukraine and allow blows against the military infrastructure of the Russians far behind the front line. „ 10 years ago, around 600 of these cruise missiles were procured for the Bundeswehr, of which only around 150 are still operational “, says the CDU politician. However, these guided missiles are used much more sensibly in Ukraine – than that they are stored in Germany.


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Expert Hoffmann assumes that the German armaments manufacturer MBDA can start production of the Taurus again if the federal government decides to deliver to Ukraine. The group last delivered Taurus to South Korea in 2018. Just a few days ago, MBDA announced that it would significantly expand the production of Patriot guided missiles. A company spokesman did not want to answer RND demand how quickly the post-production of Taurus can begin. Expert Hoffmann believes that MBDA is able to quickly get some of the Taurus cruise missiles that are currently not operational back on track with the appropriate haste and an order.


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Before use, however, the fighter jets of Ukraine still have to be modified. Because the Soviet aviators are generally not compatible with western weapon systems. This had taken about three months for the British Storm Shadows. „ If the Storm Shadows can be integrated into a Soviet fighter plane, this is in principle not a problem for Taurus either “, Hoffmann tells the RND. The Oslo expert expects Ukraine and its western partners with all their experience to have the Taurus cruise missiles ready for use in a month or two.


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Pistorius reluctant to deliver Taurus
Defense Minister Boris Pistorius was reluctant on Tuesday to propose that the Taurus be delivered to Ukraine. He did not want to go into every weapon system and give a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question, said the SPD politician on Tuesday in the margins of the EU Defense Ministers' meeting in Brussels. „ I think it has proven that we do not constantly do this or draw red or white lines “, said Pistorius. Ukraine should be given substantial support and responsible for dealing with it. At the same time, Pistorius stated that he was „ of the opinion that we should support Ukraine with all the systems that are permitted under international law that are needed to win this war and that we are able to, to give “.


Edit: Added original Twitter source chain.
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 9:10 am
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 9:17 am to
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Colonel-General Alexander Lapin.


That Lapin translates to rabbit in French, and his competency at Lyman, I get a chuckle out of that name and Run Rabbit Run.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 9:29 am to
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+1 aircraft (Su-35)


I guess we're counting CGI kills?


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I've not looked at the Twitter account much before and if that is their M.O. they seem like a poor source of objective information.


I'm not saying NOEL Reports is correct, but their source material was the Ukrainian MoD
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:53 am to
@200_Zoka give us the pro-Russian perspective on the invasion of Russia:

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Media attention was diverted from defeat at Bahmut, Zelensky sent his useful idiots to perish and lose technique for two days of media glory.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:06 am to
Reading around some, and I think that this is true.

It seems to be over. The Russians lost a BTR-82A, captured at the border post itself, and the "freedom fighters" lost two MaxxPros. Probably a handful of deaths on either side.

LINK

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"The Grayvoron border crossing, Kozinka, Glotovo are under the full control of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. There is no enemy on this section of the border. The enemy lost several people killed"
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:09 am to
Based Scholz:
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Scholz: “This bitter chapter in our continent’s history — instigated by Putin in his imperialist madness — will end with a free #Ukraine joining the European Union as a full member.”


LINK
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12293 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:33 am to
Whoa - that is as clear as one can be when condemning Putin for this war.

Scholz changing his tune as compared to the previous lukewarm responses from Germany. Can’t recall how much they have stepped up their military supplies recently to match the rhetoric. But this is a noticeable sea change.
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 11:34 am
Posted by lowspark12
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:51 am to
Words are meaningless… actions are what matter.
Posted by LeClerc
USVI
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:01 pm to
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Original Telegram source for the reports of two other border clashes in the region: LINK

That link is not working for me.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:07 pm to
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They’re related only in the fact that money and effort could be better spent countering China, or a host of other things.


They're related in a direct way, considering what China is spending on, which is a land route to Europe, which circumvents US control of shipping lanes.

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Also, watching Europe have to cut back on their entitlement society because they have to fund their defense so I can stop hearing liberals whine about how great European education and healthcare programs are would be a nice perk.



Austerity has been a disaster for Europe.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 8:31 am
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:10 pm to
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This story in the New Yorker hits incredibly hard. Just read it, but here's a couple of small excerpts:

LINK

Two Weeks at the Front in Ukraine


This is simply a must read.

It is written with The New Yorker's typical flowery language which can be jarring if you are used to reading tweets and Reuter's articles but like good prose it takes you into the trenches, vehicles, and bunkers. It is harsh, nonapologetic, and visceral. I found myself gritting my teeth with anxiety as they went through the firing sequence for the RPG-9.

The best-written piece about the human element of the war I have read.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:29 pm to
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The best-written piece about the human element of the war I have read.



Ever or just related to this war?
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 12:30 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30447 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:36 pm to
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Ever or just related to this war?


Oh, just this war the human condition has many superlative champions like Sinclair, Faulkner, Camus, and those damn wordy Russian writers.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30447 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:00 pm to
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That link is not working for me.


I think it is this:

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:06 pm to
There's no confirmation of that. Until I see evidence, I will assume that there were likely just exchanges of fire across the border in those other two areas.
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