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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:40 am to
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:40 am to
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, Iraq and Afghanistan were excellent investments
japan, SK, and western europe seem to have worked out
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:45 am to
Thxs,

My comments:
Category 1(green) How much of that is cash? How much is paying for doctors, nurses, etc. How much is for supplies we provide and how much of that do we pay cash to rrr Ed place?

Category 2(brown) I take it that all of that is cash less administrative costs?

Category 3, his much is cash, his much is pay to our people to spy for Ukraine, tt transport weapons, etc? How many of these weapons we are giving them that do not need to be replaced?

Category 4, again how much do we spend to replace the donated weapons ?

Category, I suspect all of this is cash less administrative costs.

Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:45 am to
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japan, SK, and western europe seem to have worked out






Its almost like Ukraine will double the size of Western Europe...oh and its mostly prime agricultural land. Oh and a cheap labor source.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:49 am to
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Situational fiscal conservative. I missed your "conservatism" regarding spending when Trump was President but I'm sure you are consistent.


It was my biggest gripe with the guy. I also opposed his covid spending.

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When you do a formation run in the 82nd somebody in the ranks will scream out "how far we goin?" and then then everybody responds "all the way"' So how much will it cost? whatever it takes.

Some good news on the rebuild cost though. About 400 billion of Russian cash has been siezed via sanction. Currently sitting in Western banks drawing interest. More being collected everyday because the Russians arent very smart.

400 billion won't even be close to the amount spent on Ukraine.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:51 am to
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japan, SK, and western europe seem to have worked out

Sure. Give us some 21st century examples.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:52 am to
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400 billion won't even be close to the amount spent on Ukraine.



Of course not. But there is something right about the Russian crime bosses cash being used to begin the rebuild.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:56 am to
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400 billion won't even be close to the amount spent on Ukraine.



Give us your number of what is going to be spent.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:56 am to
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Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:58 am to
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400 billion won't even be close to the amount spent on Ukraine.


If the reality was $400B was all that would be needed and I would never have to hear about Ukraine again I'd gladly sign off on that.

$400B will likely be the final tally of what was skimmed off the top when everything is said and done.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:59 am to
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$400B will likely be the final tally of what was skimmed off the top
by the literal nazis
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8165 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:59 am to
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Which are you?

No answer?

From your various posts:
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I've asked this question several times and I never get an answer form anyone here.

How much? It's not difficult

We're already doing that. How much?

Feel free to answer as well. No one else will



Hypocrisy much?
This post was edited on 4/24/23 at 12:02 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:04 pm to
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Sure. Give us some 21st century examples.



You want 21st century examples of US investment leading to economic growth, or just that war will automatically lead to growth? Iraq is actually a good example of what occurs when opportunities for US investment decrease, as they haven't had a positive FDI total in 10 years, and Iraq's GDP totals remain dependent on the security situation in the area. A similar example would be a country like Poland, which saw its GDP increase by 3 times after joining the EU, in comparison to its modest growth after the end of the Cold War.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150129 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:09 pm to
The baltic states as well
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4332 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:30 pm to
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Interesting and would signify an amphibious crossing

Thomas Theiner @noclador just dropped an interesting thread.

Yesterday he wrote that two more ‘Pentagon budget realignments’ have been released and they indirectly tell us what has been sent to Ukraine outside of previous declared deliveries. From the guys that watch the Pentagon every day, these budget realignments are for replacing equipment obtained in previously approved budgets but is for a number of reasons, no longer available for use by US forces.

So if an item has been sent to Ukraine, the Pentagon makes these budget requests for replacing it. Importantly, “Once equipment is delivered to Ukraine the Pentagon is allowed to buy replacements”. So it has to have been already delivered before the request can be made.

To get to the point, among the familiar items on this list such as munition, HIMARS missiles, GMLRS and TOW rockets, etc. was this:

“Per the Pentagon papers Ukraine received an Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS) Engagement Operations Center (EOC).”

Significant because this is not second or third generation equipment from storage, this is a brand new ‘hyper modern’ system. Evidently the US Army doesn’t even have these yet.

What is it? Well, from @John_A_Ridge, the “EOC (Engagement Operations Center) will be able to provide C2 [Command and Control] to any and all Western radars and SAMs that Ukraine operates, bypassing their organic C2 centers.”

The ”Integrated Fire Control Network relays, which enable individual radars and launchers to be deployed 150+ km from the EOC. This can greatly increase the geographic area a fixed number of assets can defend.”

“It should also enable Ukraine to more directly integrate with US/NATO AEW&C aircraft and other sensors. In other words, it should automate the process through which NATO is able to pass tracking and targeting data to Ukrainian AD assets.” So evidently, this system would provide state of the software air defense from all threats.

Now... let’s revisit those pontoon bridges across the Dniper.




Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8165 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:49 pm to
There have been several reports of Ukraine buying up vast quantities of cheap drones on the open market.

I've also recently seen several posts out of Ukraine alluding to their coming offensive and the use of drones during it

https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1640038759147134976
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"Taiwan has provided Ukraine with almost 1,000 drones that have the function of a swarm and are able to interact with each other in automatic mode. The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine intends to use them in the counterattack on the Crimea"



Watch this video
https://twitter.com/raging545/status/1644085520950243328
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VIDEO of a "Swarm" of attack drones that will soon be "greeting" Russian troops in Ukraine. #Ukraine #russia #putin #putinswar #UkraineRussiaWar?


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/3/26/2160305/-Ukraine-Update-Is-Ukraine-developing-a-100-000-strong-drone-swarm-attack?pm_campaign=blog&pm_medium=rss&pm_source=main&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Ukraine Update: Is Ukraine developing a 100,000-strong drone swarm attack?


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Recently, it has become known that, in terms of drones, buyers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have bought up almost the entire market of FPV drone components in China, according to indirect estimates, by 50-100 thousand units. They have already trained more than a thousand operators of these models. They make them into kamikaze with a shaped charge warhead from RPG-7, or with a fragmentation grenade. And they have accumulated all this before the offensive.


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-sets-up-drone-assault-units-2023-01-27/
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KYIV, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Ukraine said on Friday it was setting up drone assault companies within its armed forces that will be equipped with Starlink satellite communications, as it presses ahead with an idea to build up an "army of drones".


When Ukraine launches its offensive, I won't be at all surprised to see it supported by a massive drone campaign providing ground attack support.

This post was edited on 4/24/23 at 12:57 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:00 pm to
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Give us your number of what is going to be spent.

I would say at least $1 trillion, likely closer to 2
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4332 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:03 pm to
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I've also recently seen several posts out of Ukraine alluding to their coming offensive and the use of drones during it

Post of the month.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20968 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:03 pm to
Solovyov shared an email he sent to Tucker:

Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61723 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:05 pm to
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equipped with Starlink satellite communications,


How much can Russia's "jamming" technologies affect communications?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:05 pm to
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I would say at least $1 trillion, likely closer to 2



Okay, you think the US is going to spend 10 to 20 times what they've spent so far. The US spent 2 trillion after twenty years in Afghanistan, and I'm skeptical this conflict will last that long. It really just seems like you don't understand the scale of the spending, if you are throwing out figures in the trillions so casually.
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