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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:22 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:22 am to GOP_Tiger
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There were over 9600 posts from Jack that were still living on this server yesterday morning.
Simply do not understand this. Why has this not been completely wiped by DOD or the feds?
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Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:23 am to DabosDynasty
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Still doesn’t make sense a National guardsman could access foreign intel of this sensitivity.
The job of his unit is to monitor the military fiber optic cables that go from US to Europe to make sure they were functioning properly including the incription. He was just supposed to make sure the network and incription was working properly, not open any of the files.
Just like the IT guy who works at a hospital maintaining their systems can access medical records or the IT guy at any company can access personnel records, they are only supposed to make sure the system and security are functioning properly without opening the files and reading the information.
Secure networks need IT people to maintain them. The military trains and trusts enlisted men and women who have gone through the clearance process to do this.
The bad apples have been imboldened by other cases of security violators being praised by the media and basicaly getting away with it. Bradley Manning got only a few years in jail and a free gender change treatment.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:25 am to cypher
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Here's some more background regarding the Unit's mission.
Thank you. Maybe we should just consider age restrictions on intel access, particularly with this generation of recruits.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:26 am to Shaun176
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The job of his unit is to monitor the military fiber optic cables that go from US to Europe to make sure they were functioning properly including the incription. He was just supposed to make sure the network and incription was working properly, not open any of the files.
Thank you.
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The bad apples have been imboldened by other cases of security violators being praised by the media and basicaly getting away with it. Bradley Manning got only a few years in jail and a free gender change treatment.
Agree this contributes but also think it’s a function of this generation.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:30 am to DabosDynasty
Im honestly shocked Jack is only facing 15 years, and not Life
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:37 am to LSUtoOmaha
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Im honestly shocked Jack is only facing 15 years, and not Life
Bradley Manning got 35 years, but Obama commuted the sentence to about 5 years. What else would you expect from the Biden Justice Department. He should be facing Military Justice.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:43 am to Shaun176
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He was just supposed to make sure the network and incription was working properly, not open any of the files.
Understood. Still seems insane that these files are so easily opened and such. If this guy could get into them, there must be hundreds like him who can also.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:53 am to notiger1997
Only possibilities are the leaks were intended for some reason or the DOD is hopelessly incompetent beyond belief. I could believe either.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:56 am to notiger1997
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Understood. Still seems insane that these files are so easily opened and such. If this guy could get into them, there must be hundreds like him who can also.
Between all of the Branches, there are thousands of E2s to E4s (19 to 24 year olds) with access to National Secrets.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 12:17 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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My dad was in WWII. He is long dead as are most veterans. Even children living at the time WWII are fewer and farther between. It takes a very good propaganda effort to make teens to 40 YOs long for the glory of the past mid century.
It’s an interesting thing when a current generations’ collectively identify is so shaped by past events. We’ve seen that in the American south where kids still identify with a lost cause mythology stemming from a 100+ year old war.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 12:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
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No one seems to come out and say that Teixeira was pro-Russia and opposed to US aid to Ukraine, but all signs point to that.
This is an extremely rational statement in a thread where anyone who REMOTELY questions why we are playing proxy war with Russia is equated with wanting to suck Putin's dick.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 1:00 pm to TigerFanatic99
Meanwhile, on the poli board, anyone who thinks theres is an ounce of reason to not let Russia get what it wants is equated with warmongers who want Americans to die in a nuclear war
Posted on 4/22/23 at 1:01 pm to TigerFanatic99
Well, do you want to suck it, or be penetrated by it?
Posted on 4/22/23 at 1:13 pm to TigerFanatic99
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This is an extremely rational statement in a thread where anyone who REMOTELY questions why we are playing proxy war with Russia is equated with wanting to suck Putin's dick.
I see nothing wrong with those who want the US to sit on the sidelines. US history has been littered with isolationist who raise legitimate questions about getting tangled up in foreign affairs.
And there is nothing wrong with folks questioning our spending on Ukraine. There needs to be a review of the process and an audit of our spending. That’s common sense.
But defending Russia’s decision to invade and to try and paint them as being picked on, makes no sense. Russia is not the good guy, Zekensky isn’t a bad guy, and neither is the US.
This post was edited on 4/22/23 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 4/22/23 at 1:19 pm to doubleb
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Russia is not the good guy
100% agree. The guy's easily the biggest bad actor on the world stage today.
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Zekensky isn’t a bad guy
100% disagree. He ain't Putin, but him and his government are corrupt as frick. He makes American politicians looks like pure saints.
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and neither is the US
Make no mistake, I am America First, but America has been a bad actor on the world stage for the better part of 50 years.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 1:22 pm to doubleb
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Russia is not the good guy, Zekensky isn’t a bad guy, and neither is the US.
There are no good guys in this one. It's all varying degrees of assholes. The only ones I feel sorry for are the Ukrainian civilians getting their apartment building shelled.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 1:36 pm to TigerFanatic99
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Make no mistake, I am America First, but America has been a bad actor on the world stage for the better part of 50 years.
Damn you sound like a leftist.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 1:42 pm to doubleb
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I see nothing wrong with those who want the US to sit on the sidelines. US history has been littered with isolationist who raise legitimate questions about getting tangled up in foreign affairs.
Abd there is nothing wrong with folks questioning our spending on Ukraine. There needs to be a review of the process and an audit of our spending. That’s common sense.
But defending Russia’s decision to invade and to try and paint them as being picked on, makes no sense.
Agreed. Wanting a more isolated or introspective national focus is a reasonable position to hold - and may prove the correct one. In this situation I disagree, but it’s at least an honest position to take.
What is less tolerable is people who argue those points in bad faith and simply want to see Biden and the Dems eat a giant L, look weak and incompetent, or simply want a narrative to this conflict that validates trump and/or their belief in a weakened America.
Unfortunately I think the majority of people who argue for staying on the sidelines or against spending in Ukraine are doing so in bad faith.
This post was edited on 4/22/23 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 4/22/23 at 1:59 pm to TigerFanatic99
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100% disagree. He ain't Putin, but him and his government are corrupt as frick. He makes American politicians looks like pure saints.
What knowledge of actual corruption, or lack of, do you have?
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Make no mistake, I am America First, but America has been a bad actor on the world stage for the better part of 50 years
So you are a NEO Far Leftist, which is what they have been saying for 75+ years.
FTR, isolation hasn't worked at all for more than the last 100 years. Oh, we tried it, but always an epic failure and having to spend a ton more with lots of dead Americans. You sound like Jimmy Carter and all the leftist youtube channels, like Mate and Chris Hedges, both far leftists
Posted on 4/22/23 at 3:22 pm to CitizenK
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100% disagree. He ain't Putin, but him and his government are corrupt as frick. He makes American politicians looks like pure saints.
What knowledge of actual corruption, or lack of, do you have?
While I disagree with the conclusion, Ukraine has been consistently ranked as one of, if not the, most corrupt countries in Europe.
It actually ranks as more corrupt, at 116, than Cuba, 65, but less corrupt than Russia at 137
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