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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:19 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:19 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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How would a 21 year who is not even active duty have access to that info?
Best guess?
Or an aid who DNGAF
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Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:56 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 4/13/23 at 2:01 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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How would a 21 year who is not even active duty have access to that info?
I think that the biggest questions that will emerge (and likely generate congressional hearings) are:
1) Even stipulating that he's in an intelligence unit, how does he have the broad access to the material that's been released? How does one person of his rank have access to internal political discussions in South Korea and classified reports on the spread of Marburg virus in Equitorial Guinea? Or the broad range of documents about Ukraine?
2) How in the world did this guy get vetted?
3) Whatever his exact role was in his unit, how did he have the ability to print it all out and take it home without detection?
Posted on 4/13/23 at 2:05 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The leader of a small online gaming chat group where a trove of classified U.S. intelligence documents leaked over the last few months is a 21-year-old member of the intelligence wing of the Massachusetts Air National Guard, according to interviews and documents reviewed by The New York Times.
Why would anyone in the national guard have specific intel like this regarding Ukraine, etc regardless of rank?
This post was edited on 4/13/23 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 4/13/23 at 2:23 pm to GOP_Tiger
Exactly my thoughts.
And all this information can be found in one place by a low level officer? No wonder Russia stole our atomic secrets!!!!
And all this information can be found in one place by a low level officer? No wonder Russia stole our atomic secrets!!!!
This post was edited on 4/13/23 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 4/13/23 at 2:25 pm to DabosDynasty
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Why would anyone in the national guard have specific intel like this regarding Ukraine, etc regardless of rank?
The set up is so easy to see
Posted on 4/13/23 at 2:27 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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How would a 21 year who is not even active duty have access to that info?
If it seems to _____ to be true, it may not be true.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 2:53 pm to TBoy
Posted on 4/13/23 at 3:00 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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How would a 21 year who is not even active duty have access to that info?
You're not supposed to ask these sorts of questions.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 3:13 pm to imjustafatkid
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How would a 21 year who is not even active duty have access to that info?
You're not supposed to ask these sorts of questions.
The bizarre and embarrassing circumstances of the leak and the arrest of a computer obsessed kid certainly does lend credibility to the whole outlandish story, doesn't it? Almost makes one convinced that the leak and the documents are genuine, right?
I had a case once where a guy herniated a disc in his lower back while wedging his arse between two rail pipes on the edge of a rig to take a shite off the side. The mantra was, "Why would I make up a story this embarrassing?" Gave him a lot of credibility.
Two years later the guy's ex-wife asked if he had gotten paid from that 4-wheeler accident yet because she was supposed to get half.
In this present international environment with attacks and counter attacks being planned and conducted all the time, I just can't automatically assume that information is credible or that documents are true, especially "embarrassing leaks."
Posted on 4/13/23 at 3:22 pm to TBoy
I can get behind the leaks being real now vs some psyop to frick with the Russians.
I’m struggling about how this story and random 21 yr old inactive National guardsman is legitimately it. Unless someone in or formerly military can explain logically how it makes sense for a guy of his rank, inactive, in the national guard would have this intel this is gonna be fishy to me. I’d need someone to explain to me how his superiors, in the national guard, would have this level of intel about foreign policy concerns vs domestic to come close to this making sense that this guy is THE guy.
I’m struggling about how this story and random 21 yr old inactive National guardsman is legitimately it. Unless someone in or formerly military can explain logically how it makes sense for a guy of his rank, inactive, in the national guard would have this intel this is gonna be fishy to me. I’d need someone to explain to me how his superiors, in the national guard, would have this level of intel about foreign policy concerns vs domestic to come close to this making sense that this guy is THE guy.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 3:22 pm to TBoy
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The bizarre and embarrassing circumstances of the leak and the arrest of a computer obsessed kid certainly does lend credibility to the whole outlandish story, doesn't it? Almost makes one convinced that the leak and the documents are genuine, right?
Arresting someone definitely makes it seem like the leaks are legit, no doubt.
I just can't understand why a 21-year old would have access to this level of classified document. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by government incompetence, but these sorts of documents seem like they would have to have been leaked by someone above his level.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 3:25 pm to GOP_Tiger
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By the way, y'all, on the leak situation, I just read that over 1.25 million Americans have "Top Secret" security clearance. Seems excessive, no?
there are tons of jobs that only ever touch Secret information but the hiring company has to get the person a TS/SCI for some other reasons like building access or potential future work.
America doesn’t do a good job with discretion when granting clearances.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 3:28 pm to Ross
I’ve been covered up today and haven’t been able to keep up with these leaked documents. What have we leaned about the war from these documents?
Posted on 4/13/23 at 3:31 pm to imjustafatkid
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I just can't understand why a 21-year old would have access to this level of classified document.
It isn't the level of clearance as much as it not being compartmented based on NTK.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 3:34 pm to DabosDynasty
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I can get behind the leaks being real now vs some psyop to frick with the Russians.
Then its working.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 3:37 pm to IAmNERD
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I remember him being so pissed because he had been sweating bullets over an open container ticket he had gotten when he was like 16 or 17 years old. He just knew he was gonna lose that job over a ticket from his teen years. But he didnt.
This brings to mind a friend who lived in Lake Chuck a few years. He served in the USN in Vietnam on an old LST which made mail and supply runs up the Mekong River from supply ships off the coast. He used to laugh about their radio officer who had Crypto Clearance (above Top Secret) attained before his position on the vessel. The funny par is that everyone in the small crew knew that dude would sell his mother for any type of drug to get high.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 3:58 pm to Darth_Vader
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What have we leaned about the war from these documents?
Thats a really good question that is actually difficult to answer.
There has been a steady stream of revelations, but the reporting on it has been all over the board. One article will talk about one thing, then you never see that again while 6 other articles talk about 6 other things. The reporting is so fragmented it's really hard to put together any kind of coherent view.
The early commentary and pictures discussed Ukraine's burn rates, equipment deliveries, and casualties...but there has been some manipulation around the casualty rates(photoshop) so who knows what's real.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 4:15 pm to WiscyTiger
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I just can't understand why a 21-year old would have access to this level of classified document.
He had to have gotten it from somebody else? A family member maybe? Or from another poster in his e-group? He will probably admit what happened when he gets interrogated.
This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 4/13/23 at 4:27 pm to Darth_Vader
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I’ve been covered up today and haven’t been able to keep up with these leaked documents. What have we leaned about the war from these documents?
The score Russians killed versus Ukrainians killed although it was photoshopped.
US is pessimistic about Ukraine’s chances of a successful counterattack.
The US has 14 soldiers in Ukraine. Nothing about what they are doing.
Ukraine was using up ammo faster than it could be replaced.
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