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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:08 pm to
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:08 pm to
4 hours? It was over in about 20 minutes.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:23 pm to
isw

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ISW is publishing an abbreviated campaign update today, March 19. This report discusses growing Russian concern about a prospective Ukrainian counteroffensive near Bakhmut or in southern Ukraine, and Russian efforts to prepare mitigations for these claimed efforts. The tempo of Russian offensive operations across the theater has slowed in recent weeks, suggesting that the Russian spring offensive in Donbas may be nearing culmination. Ukrainian officials have indicated that significant Russian losses near Vuhledar are severely inhibiting Russian forces’ capacity to conduct further offensive operations in Donetsk Oblast. Russian President Vladimir Putin used his first visit to recently-occupied Ukraine to portray himself as an involved wartime leader amid exaggerated responses in the Russian nationalist information space over fears of a possible future Ukrainian counteroffensive in southern Ukraine.


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Ukrainian forces likely conducted a localized counterattack southwest of Bakhmut amid growing Russian discussion about a potential Ukrainian counteroffensive in the Bakhmut area. Geolocated footage published on March 19 indicates that Ukrainian forces conducted a successful counterattack southwest of Ivanivske (6km west of Bakhmut) and pushed Russian forces further away from the T0504 highway in the area.[1] Ukrainian Eastern Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Serhiy Cherevaty reported that Russian forces conducted 25 attacks in the Bakhmut area on March 19, but Russian forces likely only secured marginal gains.[2] Russian sources amplified footage on March 18 alleging to show a column of Ukrainian armored vehicles along the T0504 southwest of Kostyantynivka (22km southwest of Bakhmut) and speculated that Ukrainian forces are preparing to launch counteroffensive operations southwest of Bakhmut.[3] A prominent Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces are currently capable of intensifying counterattacks to stabilize the front line around Bakhmut


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Statements made by Ukrainian military officials on the pace and prospects of current Russian offensive operations may suggest that the overall Russian spring offensive may be nearing culmination. Ukrainian Eastern Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Serhiy Cherevaty stated on March 19 that Russia was unable to gather sufficient forces for the anticipated major offensive in Donbas and noted that current Russian offensive actions cannot be called a “major strategic operation.”[5] Cherevaty emphasized that Russian forces cannot even complete the tactical capture of Bakhmut, which supports ISW’s assessment that the Wagner Group offensive near Bakhmut is likely nearing culmination.[6] Russian forces are also notably struggling to secure operationally significant gains elsewhere along the frontline, particularly in the Avdiivka-Donetsk City and Vuhledar areas. Ukrainian Tavriisk Defense Forces spokesperson Colonel Oleksiy Dmytrashkivskyi noted on March 19 that Russian forces have been desperately attacking Avdiivka to restart offensive operations on Vuhledar, likely suggesting that continued Russian attacks in the Avdiivka area are meant partially to pull Ukrainian reserves away from western Donetsk Oblast to the Avdiivka-Donetsk City area.[7] Dmytrashkivskyi stated that this renewed offensive focus on Avdiivka has recently led to major Russian losses around Avdiivka amounting to the equivalent of one company

Ukrainian military officials additionally continue to indicate that massive Russian losses in the Vuhledar area are severeley degrading Russian offensive capacity in Donetsk Oblast. Dmytrashkivskyi stated that Russian forces have reinforced elements of the 155th Naval Infantry Brigade (currently heavily committed in the Vuhledar area) with reserve forces of the 98th Guards Airborne Division.[9] The 155th Naval Infantry Brigade suffered catastrophic manpower and equipment losses during continued failed attacks on Vuhledar in November 2022 and February 2023, and Russian military leadership is likely heavily relying on reserve elements from the 98th Airborne Division to offset and compensate for the 155th Naval Infantry Brigade’s losses.[10] The 98th Airborne Division is at least partially committed in the Kreminna area in Luhansk Oblast, and commitment of some of its constituent elements to the Vuhledar area is likely indicative of a level of desperation on the part of the Russian military command trying to reconstitute battered units and restart offensive operations in western Donetsk Oblast.[11] The Ukrainian General Staff similarly noted that the Russian military leadership is in a hurry to send reinforcements to Vuhledar and has been creating a ”Shtorm” detachment within the 37th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade (36th Combined Arms Army, Eastern Military District), which will presumably deploy to the Vuhledar area on March 24.[12] The ad hoc reconstitution of existing units for deployment to Vuhledar, as well as the apparent creation of sub-brigade echelon special formations, suggests that Russian combat capabilities in western Donetsk Oblast are greatly degraded.


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The overall Russian spring offensive is thus likely approaching culmination. Ongoing Russian offensives along the Svatove-Kreminna line, around Bakhmut, and along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City and Vuhledar frontlines have failed to make more than incremental tactical gains in the first few months of 2023. Russia has committed the approximately 300,000 mobilized soldiers, called up by partial mobilization in September 2022 for the purpose of pursing exactly such a spring offensive, to these various offensive efforts. If 300,000 Russian soldiers have been unable to give Russia a decisive offensive edge in Ukraine it is highly unlikely that the commitment of additional forces in future mobilization waves will produce a dramatically different outcome this year. Ukraine is therefore well positioned to regain the initiative and launch counteroffensives in critical sectors of the current frontline.


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Russian President Vladimir Putin visited occupied Mariupol on March 19, likely to project the image of invulnerability and to continue efforts to portray himself as an involved wartime leader. Putin’s visit to Mariupol included highly staged meetings with residents, a bizarre drive around the city with Putin supposedly driving the car himself, and a briefing from Russian Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin about restoration efforts in the city.[13] The Kremlin likely framed Putin’s first visit to occupied Ukraine outside of Crimea as a spontaneous jaunt in order to portray Putin as an invincible wartime leader who can visit the zone of hostilities without concern.[14] Putin likely chose to visit Mariupol because it is a city seized since May 2022 that is far away from the frontline, where Russian forces and occupation officials have already instituted stringent security measures. Putin also likely meant his visit to be a response to the International Criminal Court’s arrest warrant for his involvement in war crimes connected to the deportation of Ukrainian children, at least 1,000 of whom Russian officials deported from Mariupol alone.[15] Putin likely sought to portray his role in the deportation of children and the destruction of Mariupol as beyond the jurisdiction of the international community and himself as safe from the Ukrainian military 80km to the north. Putin also visited the headquarters of the Southern Military District in Rostov-on-Don, Krasnodar Krai, and received briefings from Russian Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov and other Russian military commanders.


Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:23 pm to
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Putin’s Mariupol visit likely also aimed to assuage a longstanding and pervasive fear in the nationalist space about a prospective Ukrainian counteroffensive in southern Ukraine. Russian milbloggers that ISW tracks claimed en masse on March 19 that Ukrainian forces conducted a limited and localized counterattack near Novodanylivka, Zaporizhia Oblast, a disproportionate response to a frequent occurrence on other areas of the front.[18] Many of these milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian forces continue to prepare for a future counteroffensive on the Zaporizhia Oblast front line, which milbloggers have been claiming with varying degrees of urgency since October 2022.[19] Some milbloggers specifically linked Putin’s March 19 visit to Mariupol to a Ukrainian counteroffensive.[20] One milblogger claimed that Putin’s visit shows he is not a cowardly leader who is too afraid to leave Moscow Oblast out of fear of Ukrainian intelligence and claimed that the Russian ”surrender of the south [of Ukraine] will be Putin’s personal defeat.”[21] The milblogger added that Russian forces would have to work harder to defend against a Ukrainian counteroffensive. Former Russian officer and convicted war criminal Igor Girkin instead sarcastically claimed that Russian forces would ”do everything to be defeated” in order to ”blame everything on Putin,” noting that Putin appointed and kept in power all the Russian military commanders responsible for Russia’s performance in the war thus far.[22] The Russian occupation administration declaring Melitopol rather than Zaporizhzhia City as the capital of occupied Zaporizhia Oblast also likely reflects a desire to ease the palpable fear in the nationalist and domestic information space by portraying Russian occupation as long term and certain


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Former Russian officer, convicted war criminal, and prominent critical nationalist milblogger Igor Girkin indicated that there are likely deepening fractures within the top levels of Russian military leaderships. In a 12-point hyper-critical and sarcastic essay on how Russia can lose the war, Girkin remarked that never changing the leadership of the state, intelligence, and armed forces who “have already demonstrated blatant incompetence” is a sure-fire way to lose the war, and that Russia has already committed this cardinal sin.[24] Girkin called for leadership changes in the Russian Ministry of Defense and General Staff, the Foreign Intelligence Service, the 5th Service of the Federal Security Service (FSB), the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, political advisors, and representatives of military industry.[25] Girkin’s omission of the broader FSB organization (the FSB’s 5th Service is a distinct but subordinate FSB entity concerned with intelligence targeting of Russia’s foreign neighbors in the post-Soviet space) and FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov is noteworthy because it suggests that Girkin views the FSB as distinct from the failing Russian military, intelligence, and security apparatus.[26] The FSB‘s 5th Service was also responsible for laying the groundwork for the invasion by paying off Ukrainian collaborators


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Key inflections in ongoing military operations on March 19:

Russian forces continued limited offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line.[28]

Russian forces likely secured marginal gains near Bohdanivka (6km northwest of Bakhmut) amidst continued Russian offensive operations in and around Bakhmut.[29]

Russian forces continued offensive operations along the outskirts of Donetsk City and may have advanced towards Berdychi, about 10km northwest of Avdiivka.[30]

Russian forces continued erecting defensive fortifications throughout southern Ukraine.[31]

Unknown actors killed a Russian occupation Ministry of Internal Affairs Patrol Service platoon commander with a car bomb in occupied Kherson Oblast.[32] Ukrainian media hypothesized that the attack may have been a partisan attack or a result of Russian infighting.[33]

Russian federal communication supervisor Roskomnadzor blocked a website that helped Russians escape mobilization in continued crackdowns against resistance to mobilization.[34]
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:23 pm to
Build back Bahkmut!!!
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:33 pm to
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Though one of decent things to coming out of this war is going to be the growing influence of the Eastern bloc countries lead by Warsaw in the EU. Them plus Romania/ Slovakia are going to (hopefully) put some pressure on should Paris and Berlin forget that Ukraine exists after the war ends.


Agree. I think it’s good and bad. I think it’ll create serious friction in the EU.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:37 pm to
If you were a private investor would you go there and sink money if Ukraine did not have security guarantees? I wouldn't.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:54 pm to
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I’m beginning to fear part of this issue with this is going to be the brewing financial crisis & the Europeans high debt to gdp. The Germans have forced austerity before in the EU and could again as global finance becomes more stressed.


The EU has already promised rebuilding monies. Don't think for a minute that there isn't big money looking to invest post war.

I let a Ukrainian born friend know about some plants we are negotiating to buy. Things made from corn, not including ethanol. Corn has been a source of industrial products since before 1900. They are interested in buying to relocate once we have the deal. Also, these products are not being made in China for the USA. The last few years the supply has been short due lockdowns and electrical power shortages in China, for months at a time
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 9:01 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:04 pm to
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The Germans have forced austerity before in the EU and could again as global finance becomes more stressed.


German banks loaned money to Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece with the caveat that the money would be spent on German goods and services. Thus, monies loaned was to benefit German companies. When defaults occurred, the German companies had already made bank.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:08 pm to
I got your security guarantee right here:





Oh and they will get this one too:




Seriously, Ukraine will get all the security guarantees that it needs in the form of mutual defense treaties with key NATO countries, even if it's unable to join NATO right away.

If I were an investor, I'd be much more interested in the ongoing Ukrainian fight against corruption, and about Ukraine's integration into the EU.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:20 pm to
Ukraine air chief: my best pilots are dying while we wait for F-16s

The Times:

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An American assessment of Ukrainian fighter pilots has revealed they would be ready to fly F-16 jets after fewer than six months of training, their commander has told The Times.

In his first interview since President Putin’s tanks crossed the border last year, General Serhii Holubtsov, chief of aviation of Ukraine’s air force, said that two of his pilots had returned to the country last week after a rigorous assessment by the US military.

“They spent three weeks there and were trained on an F-16 simulator how to fly together as two pilots using weapons. The results came out very good: Ukrainian pilots can learn to fly and operate weapons systems on the F-16 in less than six months,” he said.
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Last month President Biden said the US would not be providing F-16s “for now”, with Jake Sullivan, his national security adviser, arguing they “are not a question for the short-term fight”. The results of the assessment may force them to reappraise that view. Last week Poland and Slovakia agreed to send Ukraine Soviet-era Mig-29s, a move ruled out for more than a year because of fears about escalation.
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“Having different types of jets is expensive. We would like to have one or maximum two types so that maintaining them is reasonable and sustainable. The infrastructure, the training, the ammunition costs a lot of money. It’s not like tanks or armoured vehicles.”
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“We have dozens of different locations and airports to hide and shelter our air planes and we are receiving more western air defence systems to protect our runways all the time,” he said. “We are able to deliver results and do what needs to be done with our Soviet-made jets, so why couldn’t we do the same with more modern aircraft? We will just be much more effective.”
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Holubtsov dismissed arguments that his country’s infrastructure could not be made ready for fast modern jets this year, pointing to a positive assessment of Ukraine’s runways made in 2021 by one of the F-16’s manufacturers, and training exercises in 2018, where American aircraft landed on Ukrainian soil.

“American fighter jets, F-15s and F-16s, were using typical Ukrainian military bases. They were taking off, landing easily, without any problems at our bases Myrhorod and Starokostyantyniv. The aircraft were not specially prepared for these runways and these bases are not better than any other air base in Ukraine,” the general said.

“The US manufacturer assessed runways on three Ukrainian airbases — Ozerne, Vasylkiv and Starokostyantyniv — and said they can be used for modern fighter jets. They only noted a few improvements could be made — such as smoothing out the runways — and the infrastructure ministry is already working on that.

“We understand that of course we need to modernise our airports and logistics but we are ready to do this with our partners.”
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:26 pm to
If they do and they get rid of the corruption, I could see a major defense industry/sector establishing there. Ukraine was the main hub/key player in the Soviet defense industry.

Another critical component for them along with security guarantees and meeting EU standards is they have got to get that land bridge back that runs along the Azov Sea. Without it, their economy will be crippled forever.
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 9:34 pm
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:27 pm to
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Ukraine air chief: my best pilots are dying while we wait for F-16s


Because we both have nuclear weapons, it’s been a proxy war for the USA and Russia has always known that. Take out nuclear weapons and Russia never invades in today’s world. Russia called the bluff of the West and he we are.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:33 pm to
@War_Mapper:

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A close-up map of the approximate situation around the city of Bakhmut.

RU have made advances north of Bohdanivka.

RU made further gains in the south of Bakhmut.



Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:36 pm to
I mean, the best security guarantee for Ukraine is not having Russian military bases in Crimea that can be used to quickly bomb, invade, or blockade Ukraine.

That's why Ukraine needs a demilitarized Crimea.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
23236 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:37 pm to
Putin has been calling the West's bluff since 2008. That speech that he gave in Munich in 2007 was the key. That speech was the writing on the wall in so far as future events.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18938 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:39 pm to
He's absolutely correct. Ukraine has one chance. If the spring offensive does not work, then the result of the war will likely be a frozen conflict with "borders" that approximate the current front lines.

LINK

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Czech President believes Ukraine has one attempt to carry out counteroffensive.

Czech President Petr Pavel told the Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita that Ukraine needs to launch a major counteroffensive within the next few months.

"The window of opportunity is open this year. After next winter, it will be extremely difficult to maintain the current level of assistance," Pavel was quoted.


Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
23236 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:44 pm to
I agree 100%. That is why Zelensky said:
"This started with Crimea and it will end with Crimea."

If Putin loses Crimea, he is finished. I have heard some calling for a neutral Crimea, but let the Russians keep the base at Sevastopol.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/19/23 at 10:23 pm to
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I have heard some calling for a neutral Crimea, but let the Russians keep the base at Sevastopol.



The warm water port at Sevastopol may not be 100% of Russia's desire to keep Crimea but it is probably 75%.

I think in 6 months we should have a good idea of where this is all going. The big gambits will likely all be played out and the lines will become frozen after that.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
10653 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 10:52 pm to
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Putin has been calling the West's bluff since 2008. That speech that he gave in Munich in 2007 was the key. That speech was the writing on the wall in so far as future events.


Only a few nations took it as seriously as it needed to be.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
6338 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:04 pm to
I just don’t see that Ukraine has the forces to retake Crimea. I would love to be wrong but that is a very tall order. I think the best outcome would be Ukraine reaching the Azov Sea and forcing Russia out of Ukraine entirely while Crimea is a demilitarized zone of some sort. The most likely outcome will be Russia keeping Crimea but Ukraine can very well push them out of everywhere else. Ukraine is obviously going to get F-16s. Not sure how many but I would go ahead and send at least a squadrons worth of pilots to learn on the F-16 but 2 squadrons would be much better if they can spare the pilots. Giving them 2 dozen used f-16s that are due to be pulled out of service would be nothing for us. We can go to the boneyard right now and pull 2 squadrons worth of aircraft out and have them ready for operations in no time. There are no more “red lines” we have to worry about crossing. We are in this conflict now and the U.S. would look terrible if Russia ended up winning after we sent so much help.
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 11:11 pm
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