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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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These people are also the ones who will "argue" that Russia isn't woke and our real enemy, the only one we should care about, are domestic woke twitter accounts.
One thing that Putin HAS been successful at is convincing a segment of people in this country that support for an authoritarian dictator is the way to go over a unified domestic front with people with whom you disagree in a free government system.
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Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:20 am to upgrayedd
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Surely you're not this dumb.
lol...bruh, if you can't read a website, then I'm done talking with you.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
Ok, I guess, you make an argument on the first one, but how is this not a continuation?
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:22 am to RummelTiger
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bruh, if you can't read a website, then I'm done talking with you.
Bruh, you literally can't make an argument, so defaulted to wiki. I'd actually prefer not to talk to you. That'd be great.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:23 am to Bunk Moreland
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One of the problems is -- and I don't know which side is BS -- some people will say Yanukovych was illegitimate and installed by the Russians. The other side then says Poroshenko was illegitimate and installed by our coup. And around and around we go.
I can see how people would consider that to be a fair point, and it possibly could be. I don't think that's an irrational line of thought in any way.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:25 am to upgrayedd
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but how is this not a continuation?
That government not only is not in power anymore, but the current regime (who nobody really doubts the legitimacy) prosecuted the US-backed coup leader.
Russia cannot claim that Ukraine is under a US-led coup when it's not, and this makes their only argument, effectively, "we want our coup leadership back in", which is not a legitimate argument.
If Ukraine wanted redress against the US for 2014, they would be justified in some sort of response. Russia had, has, and will have, no rational or legitimate justification for aggression for affairs within Ukraine in 2014. That would be Ukraine's right, not Russia's.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:26 am to Bunk Moreland
It’s really not complicated, we helped a regime
change but it was the overwhelmingly popular movement in Ukraine. The Russian puppet government was using force to stay in power. We didn’t help over throw some legitimate, popular leader. You can argue we should have stayed out of it either way but the legitimate government took over. And this current government is even more legitimate and has an even bigger mandate by the populace.
change but it was the overwhelmingly popular movement in Ukraine. The Russian puppet government was using force to stay in power. We didn’t help over throw some legitimate, popular leader. You can argue we should have stayed out of it either way but the legitimate government took over. And this current government is even more legitimate and has an even bigger mandate by the populace.
This post was edited on 2/28/22 at 8:27 am
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:26 am to Bunk Moreland
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One of the problems is -- and I don't know which side is BS -- some people will say Yanukovych was illegitimate and installed by the Russians. The other side then says Poroshenko was illegitimate and installed by our coup. And around and around we go.
Both arguments have no merit when neither is in power and nobody really doubts the legitimacy of the current regime.
That's why making a "2014 argument" from either a Russian or American perspective is meaningless in 2022.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:27 am to upgrayedd
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I'd actually prefer not to talk to you
ban him!
Do it!
Do it!
Do it!
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Yep the current government is not the one who took over from the Russian puppet and the current government is hugely popular in Ukraine. I wanna say I saw they have like a 70% approval ratings and that was before the invasion.
This post was edited on 2/28/22 at 8:29 am
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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That government not only is not in power anymore, but the current regime (who nobody really doubts the legitimacy) prosecuted the US-backed coup leader.
Russia cannot claim that Ukraine is under a US-led coup when it's not, and this makes their only argument, effectively, "we want our coup leadership back in", which is not a legitimate argument.
Just because the original leader isn't back in power doesn't mean this all went back to a clean slate. A pro russian president was elected (I know the counter argument), a pro EU president was installed, now he's out and a new pro EU/NATO guy is in office. It's a continuation of the original rub. The cold war didn't change when a new president or premier took office.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:32 am to CharlesLSU
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ban him!
Do it!
Do it!
Do it!
What a pussy
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:32 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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Good morning. Belarus state media Belta reporting that a room has been prepared for Russia-Ukraine talks
No snacks? That would piss me off
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:33 am to Methuselah
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One thing that Putin HAS been successful at is convincing a segment of people in this country that support for an authoritarian dictator is the way to go over a unified domestic front with people with whom you disagree in a free government system
I agree, sad what democrats have become. Anyhow, let’s get back on track to the war
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:33 am to Bunk Moreland
The latter lead to a democratically elected Zelensky, who won with over 70% of the vote and has proven to be a president for the people this past week. There were questions on if he’d be able to stand up to the Russian oligarchs, and seems he’s out those concerns to bed.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:34 am to deltaland
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No snacks? That would piss me off
I would think some bar peanuts, at the very least, would be appropriate.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:35 am to RummelTiger
quote:Polonium flavored?
I would think some bar peanuts, at the very least, would be appropriate.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:35 am to upgrayedd
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Just because the original leader isn't back in power doesn't mean this all went back to a clean slate
Zelensky won with over 70% of the vote. I'd say the people have who they want in power.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:36 am to Palantir
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Polonium flavored?
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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That government not only is not in power anymore, but the current regime (who nobody really doubts the legitimacy) prosecuted the US-backed coup leader. Russia cannot claim that Ukraine is under a US-led coup when it's not, and this makes their only argument, effectively, "we want our coup leadership back in", which is not a legitimate argument.
You keep saying this like it matters. From their perspective we removed ukraines pro-Russia government.
An analogy is Russia rigging our elections to remove trump, and you are trying to explain to a trump supporter that it’s ok because Biden doesn’t like Russia either.
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