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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:45 am to TDsngumbo
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:45 am to TDsngumbo
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Nobody thinks he’s a Russian spokesman tied directly to the Kremlin. We just now assume he’s a pussy arse democrat who caves to anything.
Look, nobody wants war with a major nuclear power but the world damn sure isn’t going to sit idly by and allow one led by an insane dictator to get its way in its quest to bully the world.
Dude, when Hannity, Adam Schiff, Don Lemon, and John Bolton all agree on something, it's time to reassess.
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Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:47 am to Kurt Eichenwald
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neocons in the US/UK/EU will be leaning on Zelensky very hard not to take any negotiated peace.
That’s because whatever negotiated peace come out of the talks will be dependent upon Ukraine giving up some or all of its sovereignty. That would be bullshite. Although the west should rightfully have no say so in the matter, that’s still bullshite and Ukraine is doing a decent job fighting already, no need to give up and just hand over some or all of their rights as a nation.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:48 am to upgrayedd
quote:When everyone all agrees on an issue, it's time to reassess?
Dude, when Hannity, Adam Schiff, Don Lemon, and John Bolton all agree on something, it's time to reassess.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:49 am to upgrayedd
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Dude, when Hannity, Adam Schiff, Don Lemon, and John Bolton all agree on something, it's time to reassess
you watch them? I haven’t watched or pays attention to any of them in a long time. My opinions come from my own thinking and common sense nowadays, not media personalities and bullshite liberal politicians. Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:49 am to TDsngumbo
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That’s because whatever negotiated peace come out of the talks will be dependent upon Ukraine giving up some or all of its sovereignty. That would be bullshite. Although the west should rightfully have no say so in the matter, that’s still bullshite and Ukraine is doing a decent job fighting already, no need to give up and just hand over some or all of their rights as a nation.
You think Ukraine is going to get Crimea back? Is that going to be a non-starter for their negotiations?
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:49 am to Palantir
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When everyone all agrees on an issue, it's time to reassess?
Don't bother.
The guy you're chatting with is unreasonable.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:51 am to TDsngumbo
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you watch them? I haven’t watched or pays attention to any of them in a long time. My opinions come from my own thinking and common sense nowadays, not media personalities and bullshite liberal politicians.
I'm saying when your opinions align with their collective opinions, then there may be an issue on how you've come to your conclusions.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:51 am to RummelTiger
quote:Perhaps you're right
The guy you're chatting with is unreasonable.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:52 am to baldona
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I by no means want the US to be actively involved in Ukraine, but as has been posted there’s no such thing as the US ‘staying out of it’.
The world is far too connected for any developed country to "stay out of it" if we're lumping trade/economic sanctions with a military response.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:52 am to Palantir
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When everyone all agrees on an issue, it's time to reassess?
No, but you have to question why all those people would want a certain outcome.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:53 am to RummelTiger
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Don't bother.
The guy you're chatting with is unreasonable.
I'm extremely reasonable and practical. That's why I get downvotes from the emotional hivemind.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:54 am to upgrayedd
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You think Ukraine is going to get Crimea back?
Crimea isn’t the heart of the issue at hand here. Right now we have a major power conducting a massive invasion of a sovereign nation just because they feel like it. Negotiated peace talks between these two countries will be heavily one-sided and everyone knows it. It’s Putin’s way of saying “see, we tried” before unleashing. The relatively weak show of force so far is on purpose. Show some might, try to talk, then unleash when those talks “fail”. The issue here isn’t necessarily Crimea. It’s about Russia imposing its will on another country just because it doesn’t like what happened ~30 years ago.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:57 am to upgrayedd
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displaying the logic of the opposing side of the conflict.
But it's not logical. Or legal. Or moral.
It's rumblings of, at best, an insolent child tantrum and, at worst, an insane psychopath.
The world cannot function with this precedent set, where the international community accepts this sort of aggression to a non-threat based on utterly stupid and illogical "arguments".
Russia has to face consequences for this. It doesn't have to be military. The world is uniting to set the Russian economy back to the level of the tsarist regimes. But but but but...now Putin is saying that is on par with a military response and you have people posting that we shouldn't even do that to not upset the autocrat throwing a new temper tantrum...so you have people saying we just let Putin get what he wants without any response? frick that.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:57 am to upgrayedd
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Dude, when Hannity, Adam Schiff, Don Lemon, and John Bolton all agree on something, it's time to reassess.
I bet all 4 of them have a pretty negative opinion of shitting on the dining room table. That doesn't mean shitting on the table is actually good.
What that guy posted isn't some groundbreaking take. If anything, it's ignorant to the fact that this won't stop at Donbas. If Ukraine capitulates here it opens the door for their entire nation to become a puppet state. To think that they shouldn't resist, and that the international community isn't going to hit Russia with harsh sanctions for this, is silly.
Same goes with the substack post. Saying that Ukraine can't make decisions as an independent nation because Putin will consider it escalation is like saying the US can't impose economic sanctions because Russia will consider it interference and a declaration of war. It's not that we don't understand his line of thinking, it's that we do understand it and know it's unreasonable and illogical.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:57 am to upgrayedd
quote:I mean, outside of those people, it's also the entire planet minus Belarus.
No, but you have to question why all those people would want a certain outcome.
Switzerland has even broken their neutral status about it
This post was edited on 2/28/22 at 7:58 am
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:58 am to TDsngumbo
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Crimea isn’t the heart of the issue at hand here.
You said giving up any sovereignty is bullshite. That includes the areas taken by Russia, i.e. Crimea.
I'm not using Crimea as the center point of the argument. I'm talking about the Russians giving back territories they took and held 8 years ago.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 7:59 am to Palantir
quote:ok
I mean, outside of those people, it's also the entire planet minus Belarus.
Switzerland has even broken their neutral status about it
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:00 am to upgrayedd
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but you have to question why all those people would want a certain outcome.
Who is supporting this move by Russia? I mean countries in the world?
Sometimes behavior is so abhorrent and against the norms that you get a united response. This is one of those examples.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:00 am to upgrayedd
quote:This doesn't explain why I should question the entire planet on this issue as you are saying. Can you please opine on why I should question the entire planet minus Russia and Belarus?
ok
Posted on 2/28/22 at 8:01 am to Snafu Sam
Putin forgot about Elon Musk and starlink. Never underestimate Elon Musk
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