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Posted on 3/5/23 at 9:36 pm to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 3/5/23 at 9:36 pm to
One of the key ingredients to Ukrainian successes were the destruction of key Russian ammo dumps. I wouldn’t be surprised that pre counter offensive, we will see Ukraine return to that winning formula and reduce Russia’s ability to supply their front line troops.

They have probably mapped out things and with longer range rockets, I expect Ukraine to get real aggressive in a month or so.
Posted by 2020_reVISION
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Posted on 3/5/23 at 9:47 pm to
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Iran needs to stay
The frick out of this…


So de we...
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 6:37 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 6 March 2023
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

The Russian military has continued to respond to heavy armoured vehicle losses by deploying 60-year-old T-62 main battle tanks (MBT). There is a realistic possibility that even units of the 1st Guards Tank Army (1 GTA), supposedly Russia's premier tank force, will be re-equipped with T-62s to make up for previous losses. 1 GTA had previously been due to receive the next-generation T-14 Armata MBT from 2021.

In recent days, Russian BTR-50 armoured personnel carriers, first fielded in 1954, have also been identified deployed in Ukraine for the first time.

Since summer 2022, approximately 800 T-62s have been taken from storage and some have received upgraded sighting systems which will highly likely improve their effectiveness at night. However, both these vintage vehicle types will present many vulnerabilities on the modern battlefield, including the absence of modern explosive reactive armour.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 6:40 am to
ISW

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ISW is publishing an abbreviated campaign update today, March 5. This report analyzes the ongoing Battle for Bakhmut and Russian prospects for further offensive efforts. Ukrainian forces may be conducting a limited fighting withdrawal in eastern Bakhmut and are continuing to inflict high casualties against the advancing mixed Russian forces. Russian milbloggers have also lowered their expectations of Russian forces’ ability to launch additional offensives, which would likely culminate whether or not Russian forces actually capture Bakhmut. If Russian forces manage to secure Bakhmut they could then attempt renewed pushes towards one or both of Kostyantynivka or Slovyansk but would struggle with endemic personnel and equipment constraints. The likely imminent culmination of the Russian offensive around Bakhmut before or after its fall, the already culminated Russian offensive around Vuhledar, and the stalling Russian offensive in Luhansk Oblast are likely setting robust conditions for a future Ukrainian counteroffensive.


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Ukrainian forces are likely conducting a limited tactical withdrawal in Bakhmut, although it is still too early to assess Ukrainian intentions concerning a complete withdrawal from the city. Ukrainian forces may be withdrawing from their positions on the eastern bank of the Bakhmutka River given recent geolocated footage of the destruction of the railway bridge over the river in northeastern Bakhmut on March 3.[1] Russian war correspondents and milbloggers claimed that Russian forces captured eastern, northern, and southern parts of Bakhmut on March 5 and claimed to be reporting from positions in eastern Bakhmut


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The Ukrainian defense of Bakhmut remains strategically sound as it continues to consume Russian manpower and equipment as long as Ukrainian forces do not suffer excessive casualties. Ukrainian forces are unlikely to withdraw from Bakhmut all at once and may pursue a gradual fighting withdrawal to exhaust Russian forces through continued urban warfare. Russian forces are unlikely to quickly secure significant territorial gains when conducting urban warfare, which usually favors the defender and can allow Ukrainian forces to inflict high casualties on advancing Russian units—even as Ukrainian forces are actively withdrawing. The Bakhmut city center is located on the western bank of the Bakhmutka River, and Russian forces will need to fight through the area if they are unable to advance directly north or south of Bakhmut to the west of the city center.


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The Russian military’s attritional campaign to capture Bakhmut has likely prompted Russian milbloggers to adopt more realistic expectations for further Russian operations in Ukraine. Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) commander and Russian milblogger Alexander Khodakovsky questioned whether Russian forces are prepared for potential Ukrainian counteroffensive operations after possibly "getting carried away by Bakhmut [and] Vuhledar" and suggested that Russian forces may have set conditions for Ukrainian counteroffensives by heavily expending combat power and resources on these operations.[6] A Russian milblogger claimed that Russian forces would likely have to conduct a short operational pause following the potential capture of Bakhmut.[7] Another prominent Russian milblogger offered a more ambitious assessment that Russian forces would take Kostyantynivka by the end of spring 2023 and launch an offensive on the Slovyansk-Kramatorsk agglomeration between the summer and fall of 2023

The Russian military will nevertheless likely fail to meet Russian milbloggers’ expectations despite these more realistic assessments. The timeline offered by even the most ambitious assessment suggests that Russian campaigning to capture all of Donetsk Oblast would be a years-long effort. Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin similarly assessed that it would take Russian forces up to two years to reach the Donetsk Oblast administrative borders.[11] Russian forces currently do not have the manpower and equipment necessary to sustain offensive operations at scale for a renewed offensive toward Kramatorsk and Slovyansk, let alone for a years-long campaign to capture all of Donetsk Oblast.


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The Russian offensive to capture Bakhmut will likely culminate whether Russian forces capture the city or not, and the Russian military will likely struggle to maintain any subsequent offensive operations for some months. The conventional Russian military recently massed and lost significant numbers of mobilized personnel for a since-culminated offensive push near Vuhledar, Donetsk Oblast. Russian "major" offensives in the Kupyansk, Svatove, and Kreminna directions in Luhansk Oblast are also failing to generate any significant successes on the frontlines.[12] The Russian military relied on Wagner Group forces to make any advances in the nine-month effort for Bakhmut and has since reinforced Wagner forces in Bakhmut with Russian airborne elements and mobilized personnel.[13] Russian forces likely lack the capability to further reinforce the Bakhmut area significantly without pulling forces from another area of the front line due to the lack of untapped reserves, with the possible exception of the 2nd Guards Motorized Rifle Division that was last reported in Luhansk but uncommitted to the fighting


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Endemic personnel and equipment constraints will likely prevent Russian forces from launching another prolonged offensive operation like the Battle for Bakhmut in the coming months. Secretary of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council Oleksiy Danilov stated on March 3 that Russian military casualties in Bakhmut equate to one Ukrainian loss per seven Russian losses.[16] White House officials reported on February 17 that the Wagner Group, which has predominantly fought in the Bakhmut area, has suffered 30,000 casualties with about 9,000 fighters killed since the start of the full-scale invasion in Ukraine


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The Russian Armed Forces will continue to rely on irregular formations in further offensive operations in the coming months. The Russian military command largely relied on Wagner convict forces to carry out costly infantry frontal assaults, with Western intelligence officials and prison advocacy groups estimating that 40,000 to 50,000 convicts joined the Wagner Group.[21] Wagner has since started using its elite elements after losing much of its convict force

Russian forces have previously relied on unconventional forces from the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republic (DNR/LNR) militias, Chechen units, and the Wagner Group in attritional campaigns to capture Mariupol, Severodonetsk, and Lysychansk, although the campaign to capture Bakhmut has represented a major inflection in the Russian military’s reliance on such forces.[23] Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed on March 4 that Russian forces would fail to seize Bakhmut and the front line would collapse if Wagner forces stopped fighting.[24] Prigozhin announced on February 9 that Wagner had stopped recruiting from prisons while the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) reportedly incorporated convicts into conventional and LNR Militia formations


Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 6:41 am to
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Russian forces would have the choice of two diverging lines of advance after capturing Bakhmut but would likely struggle to sustain offensive operations and make any significant gains. Russian forces could attempt to advance west along the T0504 highway to Kostyantynivka or northwest along the E40 to Slovyansk, but heavy Ukrainian fortifications in both directions would likely inflict high casualties against attacking Russian forces and force the effort to culminate prematurely. These highways lead away from each other on diverging axes that are not mutually supporting, and Russian forces’ best chance at success would be to prioritize one of these lines of effort. Russian forces would likely face similar if not worse personnel and equipment shortages compared with those that hindered their efforts against Bakhmut and other axes, however. Russian forces would likely have to choose between relaunching an offensive effort towards Kostyantynivka or Slovyansk at a great cost they cannot afford to pay, or resting and reconstituting, thereby setting favorable conditions for a Ukrainian counteroffensive.


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It is not clear if Russian forces intend to resume offensives near Vuhledar, and it is highly unlikely that Russian forces would advance far enough in this direction to support operations elsewhere in any case. The Ukrainian General Staff reported on March 5 that Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu instructed Eastern Military District (EMD) commander Colonel General Rustam Muradov to take Vuhledar at any cost, amid conflict between the two over the lack of progress and significant losses in the area, supporting ISW’s previous assessment that Shoigu may be evaluating Muradov’s continued suitability as EMD commander.[27] The conflict between Russia‘s top military commanders will likely compound the effects of catastrophic personnel and manpower losses that are constraining Russian operational capabilities in the Vuhledar area

Resumed Russian offensives near Vuhledar are highly unlikely to support Russian offensive operations elsewhere in Donetsk Oblast. Vuhledar is about 24km away from Marinka and Kurakhove as well as the N15 highway that Ukrainian forces use as a ground line of communication (GLOC) for operations in western Donetsk Oblast. Russian forces would need to advance 24km to support operations along the western outskirts of Donetsk City in the direction of Marinka or to threaten rear Ukrainian positions in uncontested areas of Donetsk Oblast in the direction of Kurkahove. Russian forces failed to advance four kilometers from Mykilske and Pavlivka to Vuhledar in the recent three-week offensive to capture the settlement. Russian forces have not made advances anywhere near 24km in Ukraine since the first months of the full-scale invasion.


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The likely imminent culmination of the Russian offensive around Bakhmut, the already culminated Russian offensive around Vuhledar, and the stalling Russian offensive in Luhansk Oblast are likely setting robust conditions for Ukrainian counteroffensive operations



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Key inflections in ongoing military operations on March 5:

The Ukrainian Air Force Command and Ukrainian news outlet Defense Express reported that Russian forces began using new UPAB-1500V aerial bombs against Ukrainian targets.[33]

Russian forces continued to conduct limited ground attacks northwest and south of Kreminna.[34]

Russian forces continued to conduct ground attacks near Avdiivka and on the western outskirts of Donetsk City.[35] A Russian source claimed that Russian forces advanced to Pervomaiske, 8km northwest of Donetsk City.[36]

The Ukrainian General Staff continued to report that Russian forces are attempting to create conditions for the transition to an offensive in some areas of the Zaporizhia and Kherson directions.[37] ISW has not observed indicators that Russian forces are preparing to launch sustained offensive operations in Zaporizhia Oblast or any offensive activity in Kherson Oblast.

Ukrainian Deputy Prosecutor General Viktoriya Litvinova reported that Russia deported about 16,000 children of whom 307 were able to return to Ukraine.[38] The Ukrainian Presidential Commissioner for Human Rights Daria Herasimchuk reported that Russian officials use coercive tactics to separate Ukrainian children from their parents in order to deport them.[39]

Ukrainian First Lady Olena Zelenska reported that Ukrainian prosecutors are investigating 171 cases of sexual assault committed by Russian Forces against Ukrainian citizens.[40]

Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 6:58 am to
Found this searching specifically for terrain around Bakhmut
LINK

Edit: Bakhmut is in a valley between two ridges. Exfiling from Bakhmut is uphill.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 7:22 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 7:15 am to
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The likely imminent culmination of the Russian offensive around Bakhmut, the already culminated Russian offensive around Vuhledar, and the stalling Russian offensive in Luhansk Oblast are likely setting robust conditions for Ukrainian counteroffensive operations


Truth. And it's so weird to see the online negativity right now among many in the pro-Ukraine camp. They're looking at Bakhmut and stressing about the losses, when the fact is that the prospects of success for the Ukrainian offensive get better every day.

Bakhmut doesn't matter. It never mattered. But it is amusing that we are at the two-month anniversary of BKR excitedly coming in here and proclaiming that it would fall within 10 days.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:01 am to
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The defensive operation and further strengthening of Ukrainian positions in Bakhmut will continue.

This decision was made at a meeting of the Staff of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.

In addition, the issue of the supply of weapons and equipment and their distribution by operational directions was considered at the meeting.


LINK

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??Bulgaria sent weapons worth $1 billion to Ukraine through intermediaries, — Euractiv

Bulgarian arms companies do not sell weapons and ammunition directly to Ukrainian companies, because there is a practice when this happens through foreign programs," — said ex-head of the country's Ministry of Defense Velizar Shalamanov.


LINK

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??russia has refrained from buying ballistic missiles from Iran due to fears that Ukraine will then receive long-range missiles, — the Financial Times writes.

Tehran and moscow have been warned, and, according to NATO estimates, the sale of missiles to russia may prompt the US to provide Ukraine with the ATACMS missile system, which has a range of 300 km.


LINK
Posted by Athanatos
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:02 am to
The losses being sustained by the Ukrainians really aren’t crazy in comparison to what Allied losses were in Normandy June 6 to August 6. Even looking at Russian losses seem tolerable when you look at the British losses during operation Goodwood (July 18-20, 1944), when the British lost hundreds of tanks.

If the Second World War taught the world anything about total war it’s that personnel and equipment losses are secondary to material production (not that you want to squander resources). Thus, the economic power of NATO Allies should be what pushes the UA to a tolerable outcome.
Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:11 am to
Video circulating of a Ukrainian POW being executed. Not going to link it but you can find it if you want.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:16 am to
I saw it this morning, brutal.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:20 am to
I bet this happens daily….on both sides.
Posted by tigeraddict
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:26 am to
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I bet this happens daily….on both sides.


this. war is hell.


PT board was crying when a purported video of Ukrainians killing POWs a few weeks back

with Wagner in the fold and not a traditional military group, do they even fall under the Geneva Convention guidelines? they have even used sledge hammers to the heads to kill their own troops who have disserted....

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:44 am to
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with Wagner in the fold and not a traditional military group, do they even fall under the Geneva Convention guidelines? they have even used sledge hammers to the heads to kill their own troops who have disserted....


I’m pretty sure Wagner would be considered a battlefield combatant by any international court. Ironically, I don’t think executing your own soldiers for desertion is a war crime.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 9:09 am to
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I bet this happens daily….on both sides.

Of course it does. It's a shitty circumstance, but one that is reality.

What kills me is the Twitterati so up in arms about this incident (and it's worth being upset over), but we're completely silent or actually giving justification for the video that came out sometime last year of 10 Russian POWs getting smoked at a Ukrainian OP. (And it was confirmed as real by the UN and others.)

It's terrible, but it happens. Probably will always happen in any armed conflict in the future.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 9:28 am to
Agreed, it happens.

What always comes to my mind when I hear about it.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 9:41 am to
This is an interesting post due to the responses. Tatarigami_UA, Ukrainain reserve officer, who has been posting on Russian tactics commenting on Bakhmut
https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1632638236861296640

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It's important to pay attention to this upcoming analysis. I tend to be straightforward about problems on the Ukrainian side to maintain an accurate perspective. Acknowledging the problem is the initial step to addressing it. We need to focus more on objective analysis.


He's refering to this post by Michael Kofman and Rob Lee.
https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1632500589769752576
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Rob and I were in Bakhmut last week and the situation looked difficult. From artillery ammo shortages, increasingly contested lines of communication, and an attritional battle in unfavorable terrain - this fight doesn’t play to Ukraine’s advantages as a force. More to follow.

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Key section from this good piece. The ratio of losses worsened for Ukraine once it lost control of Bakhmut’s flanks. The conditions are less favorable for defending Bakhmut than Vuhledar/elsewhere and Kyiv needs as many forces as possible for its strategically critical offensive.



From the comments below where Tatarigama responded
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The way I see it, there can only be 3 reasons for remaining in Bakhmut:
1. Command have simply miscalculated.
2. Rate of attrition suits ????
3. It serves another purpose e.g. buying time for training/offensive actions.
But, until we have the benefit of hindsight, no one knows.

Tatrigami's response
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#2 is wrong


Another comment and his response
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It is difficult to analyze the problem from the outside. Without knowing the state of Ukrainian defenses behind Bakhmut or the loss ratios, whether the Ukrainians are wise to continue defending Bakhmut is impossible to say.

Response
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1. I am not exactly from the outside. 2. The loss ratios are not as optimistic as people assume in the comment section.





Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 9:49 am to
Th 1st Guards is going to be unstoppable in T-62's!!! It's the missing piece to the Russian offensive woes.

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The Russian military has continued to respond to heavy armoured vehicle losses by deploying 60-year-old T-62 main battle tanks (MBT). There is a realistic possibility that even units of the 1st Guards Tank Army (1 GTA), supposedly Russia's premier tank force, will be re-equipped with T-62s to make up for previous losses. 1 GTA had previously been due to receive the next-generation T-14 Armata MBT from 2021.
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 9:52 am to
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I’m pretty sure Wagner would be considered a battlefield combatant by any international court.


They are at the mercy of the Ukrainians. Its a private military not affiliated with a state. For state actors to receive the benefits of the conventions they (their state) have to be a signatory.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 9:53 am to
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Truth. And it's so weird to see the online negativity right now among many in the pro-Ukraine camp. They're looking at Bakhmut and stressing about the losses, when the fact is that the prospects of success for the Ukrainian offensive get better every day.

Bakhmut doesn't matter. It never mattered. But it is amusing that we are at the two-month anniversary of BKR excitedly coming in here and proclaiming that it would fall within 10 days.


Wagner is not built to take advantage of any breakthrough. It has next to no mobility. Wagner wanted to own the gypsum and salt mines is the only reason it ground meters per day to Bakhmut. That has been its modus operandi in Africa to own minerals where it secures land for the despot head of nation. It suffered major losses in Mozambique to rebels there.
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